PALIN VS. AL GORE: DENYING GLOBAL WARMING, DISPELLING EVIDENCE

  • HndsmKansan

    Posts: 16311

    Dec 10, 2009 1:26 PM GMT
    What a stupid woman. "I know more about ice caps than Al Gore", she said.... she could start with her head...

    Many right wingers disspell global warming as "myth"....

    ....another attempt to grab attention by Palin.




    From CNN:

    It’s On…Sarah Palin vs Al Gore: Lets have A Debate!


    Sarah Palin has a solid, hard hitting Op-Ed in today’s edition of the Washington Post. Once again, in light of the fact this global warming hoax has been exposed, she demands Obama to boycott Copenhagen. » Full Story on thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 10, 2009 3:12 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidWhat a stupid woman. "I know more about ice caps than Al Gore",
    Let me guess .. she can see them from her window ..
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 10, 2009 5:26 PM GMT
    Does this dumb broad EVER stop?

    Sarah, dear, we already know how completely incompetent you are. I just wish the nutjobs on the far right of the Republican party could see this.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 10, 2009 5:36 PM GMT
  • CuriousJockAZ

    Posts: 19133

    Dec 10, 2009 5:39 PM GMT
    Handsm, I think you need to take the "Sarah Palin Name Generator" and see what your name would have been if you were one of Sarah's kids....

    I would have been:

    Hump Gizzards Palin


    Check it out icon_lol.gif


    http://politsk.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah_13.html
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 10, 2009 5:41 PM GMT
    This web page cannot display this chart from Information is Beautiful, but it does a great job of refuting climate change skeptics with actual science.

    I would be Bash Budweiser Palin.
  • CuriousJockAZ

    Posts: 19133

    Dec 10, 2009 5:42 PM GMT
    We've had some record cold temperatures last night here in Arizona. Yep, this Global Warming is gonna KILL us icon_rolleyes.gif
  • HndsmKansan

    Posts: 16311

    Dec 10, 2009 5:44 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidHandsm, I think you need to take the "Sarah Palin Name Generator" and see what your name would have been if you were one of Sarah's kids....



    I'll pass, but thanks
  • HndsmKansan

    Posts: 16311

    Dec 10, 2009 5:45 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidWe've had some record cold temperatures last night here in Arizona. Yep, this Global Warming is gonna KILL us icon_rolleyes.gif


    I'd suggest you trade your sheet for a blanket Todd... LOL
  • CuriousJockAZ

    Posts: 19133

    Dec 10, 2009 5:47 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    CuriousJockAZ saidHandsm, I think you need to take the "Sarah Palin Name Generator" and see what your name would have been if you were one of Sarah's kids....



    I'll pass, but thanks



    Awwwww, you're no fun, Chris tsk tsk
  • HndsmKansan

    Posts: 16311

    Dec 10, 2009 5:51 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    HndsmKansan said
    CuriousJockAZ saidHandsm, I think you need to take the "Sarah Palin Name Generator" and see what your name would have been if you were one of Sarah's kids....



    I'll pass, but thanks



    Awwwww, you're no fun, Chris tsk tsk


    We'll see about that with the murder mystery....
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 10, 2009 6:21 PM GMT
    I suggest you guys take a look at this article that takes an objective look at whether or not the data has been manipulated.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/08/the-smoking-gun-at-darwin-zero/

    It's kind of long, but the basic summery is that there is enough evidence of altering the raw data (at least from the CRU) to suggest we need to look into it further. It's neither disproving nor approving global warming, just saying the science is not settled.
  • HndsmKansan

    Posts: 16311

    Dec 10, 2009 6:23 PM GMT
    sportsguy933 saidI suggest you guys take a look at this article that takes an objective look at whether or not the data has been manipulated.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/08/the-smoking-gun-at-darwin-zero/



    I'll be happy to check it out, but I choose to review information from a variety of "sources" not just one... and I never believe just one source.
  • kinetic

    Posts: 1125

    Dec 10, 2009 6:56 PM GMT
    She's so retarded.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 10, 2009 7:00 PM GMT
    One of the things overlooked by US Republicans, because it's an inconvenient truth as Al Gore has said, and also because it might require some real thinking, is the predicted weather effects of global temperature change.

    During a period of climate transition, previously stable weather patterns will become erratic and extreme. So even while the Earth's temperature is warming overall, great swings to low temperatures can be expected. And a few areas might actually become colder for a brief period, while the rest of the world is warming, because of these climate shifts.

    But the swings, though extreme, are temporary and do not alter rising average temperature trends. It is higher average temperature that is melting the Arctic ice, not a single cold or warm month in Idaho or somewhere.

    Yet Republicans will rush to say: "Look at the evidence! We had a cold November where I live, so global warming is a fraud!" Things are so easy to prove, when you've already made up your mind.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 10, 2009 10:26 PM GMT
    As Red_Vespa said.

    We're having record cold and hot temperatures left and right. Does that strike you as normal weather?

    Humans always see short term. We're the ones and our children who'll have to live under domes, not Palin.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 10, 2009 10:44 PM GMT
    She's a doofus.

    Andrew Sullivan had this on his website today, a letter from a reader. It seemed to me pretty smart:

    The claim that global warming is not man-made is not only denying the reality of physics (Does CO2 trap heat or does it not? How can introducing massive amounts of this material into the atmosphere not affect the climate?), it's also the lamest of excuses of these people. Even if you deny that global warming is man-made, how is this an excuse for inaction? Using the same rationale, would the commenter refuse to put out the fire in his house simply because it was hit by lighting - not a man-made fire?

    What scares me about the Palin situation is not her idiocy, it is how many dunderheads eat it up.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 10, 2009 11:11 PM GMT
    Sorry global warming is a myth, and I'm pretty effin left wing!

    The amount we put into the atmosphere pales in comparison to geothermal events such as volcanoes. Remember it was those volcanoes that caused Ice ages, yadah yadah.

    The hoaxers show graphs from 50 years ago of global temperatures. Misleading! You can play with statistics all you want but youre not fooling me.

    Take that graph back thousands of years and you'll see that we're on a normal cycle of heating the earth.

    The "climate change" hoax is to provide funding for "researchers" on how to "mitigate the problem" aka free money to make stories up. Also its a nice new tax to put on people isn't it. They've done it in Europe to try and reduce driving but guess what people still drive the same except they pay for it now!

    Although we need to make cars and especially trucks less polluting cause I'm pretty sure the smog is bad for your health. I view pollution more as a health issue than as a make believe doomsday device.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 10, 2009 11:17 PM GMT
    Nonsense, sexylatinboi.

    Vulcanism contributes an additional 1/10th to the contribution made annually by man. Check the science.

    Thankfully, there are thousands of intelligent and rigorous people actually doing the science. And believe me, most of those people would be far more interested in doing other things! If you believe its a hoax, you're either ignorant of the scientific case or your head is in the sand.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 10, 2009 11:30 PM GMT
    sexylatinboi saidSorry global warming is a myth, and I'm pretty effin left wing!

    The amount we put into the atmosphere pales in comparison to geothermal events such as volcanoes. Remember it was those volcanoes that caused Ice ages, yadah yadah.


    LOL. Ice ages are caused by volcanoes?! icon_lol.gif Where oh where did you study geology?

    Humans are always trying to find ways to justify things they KNOW is wrong, is excessive, and is downright stupid just so they can go on living like they always did.

    Years ago no one listened to cries against deforestation and all that. Then came flash floods, mudslides, and the extinction of hundreds of macrofauna and macroflora. Even now very few still listen to warnings on overfishing, overpopulation, heck, no one mainstream is even concerned that HIV is a fucking pandemic.

    Because yeah. Like the shortlived idiots that we are, if we can't see results in a few months, we don't believe it.

    We'll still be calling statistics 'lies' despite the fact that we are experiencing a very palpable shift in climate. Here in our country, gone are the balmy evenings. The temperatures remain oven-baking hot even long into early night. And no, it wasn't like that in my childhood days. Not to mention the typhoons that progressively get more and more destructive. It's real because it's becoming so fucking hot here year by year, and I'm not imagining things.

    Statistics can be manipulated. Experience can not. Which do you believe? I challenge any of the naysayers here to say weather has been normal in their respective home cities in the past decade.

    I also find it hilarious that you claim it's 'free money' to researchers when whatever government subsidies they do get are relatively normal with other research projects (including some which will never give fruit to anything useful).

    Also the fact that you are actually ignoring the alternative: You are giving away much more money to fossil fuel companies, car companies, logging companies, and cigarette companies than you ever will give to any research endeavor. Far more money. Science needs far less to function than multinational companies with vested interests on NOT making people worry about their future. Their keep em stupid campaign seems to be working quite well. So whatever.

    P.S. You seem to believe that emissions tax go directly to researchers as well. icon_rolleyes.gif I doubt if scientists even get to see 0.1% of that money. The tax is there to discourage flagrant disregard for pollution. The money goes to the GOVERNMENT who then uses it to upgrade to less polluting alternatives in public structures, to clean up the pollution, or to various conservation areas and efforts, and to totally unrelated government projects like housing.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 10, 2009 11:46 PM GMT
    Nonsense, TigerTim.

    I can't find that 1/10 statistic in your article. Maybe you should highlight it for me, since I'm not one of the "thousand of intelligent and rigorous people" who believes this crap.

    Even by admission by your article, they state volcanism as a substantial contributor to climate change.

    http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/pastcc.html

    Here's a more reasonable article, by the EPA who I take with a grain of salt because I know their agenda.

    # Carbon dioxide emissions: Volcanoes also emit carbon dioxide (CO2), a greenhouse gas, which has a warming effect. For about two-thirds of the last 400 million years, geologic evidence suggests CO2 levels and temperatures were considerably higher than present. One theory is that volcanic eruptions from rapid sea floor spreading elevated CO2 concentrations, enhancing the greenhouse effect and raising temperatures. However, the evidence for this theory is not conclusive and there are alternative explanations for historic CO2 levels (NRC, 2005). While volcanoes may have raised pre-historic CO2 levels and temperatures, according to the USGS Volcano Hazards Program, human activities now emit 150 times as much CO2 as volcanoes (whose emissions are relatively modest compared to some earlier times).


    So while I see your statistic you have to remember that the past ice ages and warming periods of the earth were caused by volcanoes. Funny thing that the website only shows temperatures for the past 1000 years and not the past thousands of years which would show that we are on a normal cycle. And I'm pretty sure that other gases besides cO2 affect the environment, but since scientists all think alike I guess they won't research that.

    Yes I care to do research and come to my own conclusion. I also believe that warming temperatures can release CO2 from the ocean. So how are we sure that all the CO2 can be traced back to human activities and not ocean activities?

    http://www.clim-past-discuss.net/2/711/2006/cpd-2-711-2006.pdf

    Don't be a bigot.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 10, 2009 11:46 PM GMT
    I actually read a number of the emails, and there really isn't any big scandal. Essentially, they were trying to find a clear path to making people wake up and take this stuff seriously. You can't argue with the numbers, but if you don't present the numbers to the general public in a way that makes sense, people just scratch their heads.

    And for those that doubt, what possible motivation could the scientific community as a whole have to fabricate the idea of global warming? It's not like it's going to make anyone any money besides private industry.

    Finally, why the hell is Sarah Palin still in the news? Didn't she abruptly quit her job barely two years into the first term?
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 10, 2009 11:46 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said

    I'll be happy to check it out, but I choose to review information from a variety of "sources" not just one... and I never believe just one source.

    Jeez! How unAmerican can one man get? This is totally uncharacteristic of American behavior!
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 10, 2009 11:52 PM GMT
    Sedative have YOU ever taken a geology class because I HAVE.

    Have you ever heard of the Year Without a Summer. 1816.

    So believing the hypothesis that climate change is attributable to humans, what would have caused the past ice ages.

    Oh the sun must have gotten mad and turned away from the earth. Please educate yourself more on the subject. I've done my homework. And BTW maybe you don't realize it but scientist have to come up with "problems and hypothesis" to receive their NSF grants from the federal government. So without any possible subject to study, yes they will lose their job. I think that would be a HUGE motivator for them to promote this idea.

    I just wish that people would just review all of the data and not just believe one side or the other.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Dec 11, 2009 12:05 AM GMT
    sexylatinboi saidNonsense, TigerTim.

    I can't find that 1/10 statistic in your article. Maybe you should highlight it for me, since I'm not one of the "thousand of intelligent and rigorous people" who believes this crap.

    Don't be a bigot.


    You're the bigot! Did you actually download the article, or just read the abstract, hmmm? Clearly, vulcanism has been a significant factor in the past, but it is now vastly eclipsed by human activity!

    I find your libel against scientists to be nonsensical. What we do is twofold: (1) educate people (2) solve interesting problems. The possibility space of interesting problems is infinite. If we solve one, we move onto the next. Our jobs do depend (to some extent) on getting funding, but we can get funding for anything that we can demonstrate is interesting or useful. Scientists working within this regime have enabled you to have: phones, cellphones, cd and mp3 players, the web, computers, MRI scanners, etc, etc. If we weren't allowed to work on interesting problems, you wouldn't have had any of these! Since science continues to offer practical solutions to society, society continues to fund science.

    If you're doing "research" on climate change, perhaps you should submit it to a peer-reviewed journal so that the rest of us can evaluate your methods. Citing denialist websites is not research!