Of course we're born gay.

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    Dec 11, 2009 10:16 PM GMT
    Are people starting to realize we had no choice at all. WTF!! is there one gay mother fucker that has said its a choice. one?

    Its been a bad day. icon_neutral.gif
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    Dec 11, 2009 11:16 PM GMT
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  • mcwclewis

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    Dec 11, 2009 11:20 PM GMT
    I don't think Palin counts as a gay.



    AZnewbie: unfortunately there are enough idiots in this world to fuel that idea. You know the whole "cured homosexuals" BS? They'll say that all day long, even though they're either not gay, and just trying to further their cause, or they're in total denial.


    Its sad.
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    Dec 11, 2009 11:21 PM GMT
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    i see that face i think cunt.
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    Dec 11, 2009 11:23 PM GMT
    mcwclewis saidI don't think Palin counts as a gay...

    But what about all the gays, even on RJ, who support her? To me that is the real tragedy.
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    Dec 11, 2009 11:24 PM GMT
    The only ones that can choose gay or straight are bisexuals.
  • mcwclewis

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    Dec 11, 2009 11:43 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    mcwclewis saidI don't think Palin counts as a gay...

    But what about all the gays, even on RJ, who support her? To me that is the real tragedy.



    Agreed.


    However, I think it's more of a mind-control thing. Once he scratches, bites, or spits on you, the micro-organisms within her begin to mutate your DNA and start causing misfiring in your brain. We should begin working on a vaccine immediately, before it becomes and epidemic.
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    Dec 11, 2009 11:56 PM GMT

    Geeze, have you met many gay men? Do you think I'd put up with that if it were a choice? icon_wink.gif

  • SolidRanger

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    Dec 12, 2009 12:16 AM GMT
    I think there have been a few people who claimed they chose to be gay. I remember a while back I saw some sort of anti-gay documentary starring Kirk Cameron (bet you can guess the rest!). He went to some sort of event during Pride and asked a bunch of gay people why they were gay, and some dude said something along the lines of "Women kept breaking my heart so I turned to men and have been happy since". I doubt he outright chose it, probably was bi and chose one over the other or something, but the right probably still counts that as "chosing"

    The only choice in the matter seems to be the choice whether or not to listen to natural urges and attraction, or to try and repress them. Repressing them may keep the breeders from feeling uncomfortable, but I'd rather make myself happy then worry about ruffling their delicate sensibilities.
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    Dec 12, 2009 12:36 AM GMT
    mcwclewis saidI don't think Palin counts as a gay.



    AZnewbie: unfortunately there are enough idiots in this world to fuel that idea. You know the whole "cured homosexuals" BS? They'll say that all day long, even though they're either not gay, and just trying to further their cause, or they're in total denial.


    Its sad.


    Yea I met a guy here at my college who is extremely religious. He is straight and he wanted me to join this christian group at my school. I told him I wasn't religious and that I was gay and we preceded to have a very long conversation about why I don't believe what he believes. I normally get along very well with religious people. Most of them mean well. We started hanging out and he really wanted to "help" me overcome my obstacle. He wasn't doing it out of hatred , he honestly thought he was helping me. He told me about all the "former" homosexuals he knows of at his church that are now "happily married". I then sat him at my computer, pulled up craigslist personals and typed in married. Are these the happily married guys you are referring to?
    Him: "Oh... uhhh.... wow."
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    Dec 12, 2009 1:17 AM GMT
    heheh, AZnewbie, we forgot to say Welcome To Realjock, and offer you this song, a small token to ease your frustration. Merry Christmas!

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  • SolidRanger

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    Dec 12, 2009 1:21 AM GMT
    DrobUA said

    He told me about all the "former" homosexuals he knows of at his church that are now "happily married". I then sat him at my computer, pulled up craigslist personals and typed in married. Are these the happily married guys you are referring to?
    Him: "Oh... uhhh.... wow."


    HAHAHA great response. Maybe that'll make him think more about appearances vs reality.
  • AlexGuess

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    Dec 12, 2009 3:48 AM GMT
    I discovered the other day that I was born like this, since I saw a picture of Rufio from Peter Pan and remembered I liked him icon_smile.gif
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    Dec 12, 2009 7:10 AM GMT
    Nature vs nurture?

    I remember feeling gay urges or that I was different at a very very young age. We're talking here about the phase when children turn into 'sentient beings' that start thinking for themselves. This is way before kindergarten.

    In my case, I believe I was born gay. I knew I was different before I even had a word for it. I felt very comfortable about it but I knew I had to keep it secret.

    If there was a pill that would instantly turn me straight I would not take it.

    I love being gay too much.
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    Dec 12, 2009 7:34 AM GMT
    66mark66 saidi wasnt born like this. i didnt choose it either. it became like this growing up.


    Just like straight people? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 12, 2009 7:41 AM GMT
    Wait, bi people chose? Um..no! They're attracted by both sexes.
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    Dec 12, 2009 7:55 AM GMT
    I don't choose to be sexually attracted to other men. I do, however, choose whether or not I live my life in accordance with my sexuality.
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    Dec 12, 2009 8:22 AM GMT
    . . . you really should be welcomed by an actual jock, not an sedentary authoritarian, Pol Potist non-jock like Men In Love. . .

    . . . so, here's to you . . . cheers!
  • tokugawa

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    Dec 12, 2009 8:39 AM GMT
    If people are born gay, then what is the explanation for a correlation between being a gay man and having an abusive or absent father, and/or a domineering mother? One’s environment seems to have some determination on one's sexuality. Rather than being able to choose one’s sexuality, one’s parents, by their behavior, can increase the likelihood that their child will become gay or straight. Just my humble opinion here, I don’t have any academic training or counseling experience in this area.
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    Dec 12, 2009 9:08 AM GMT
    tokugawa saidIf people are born gay, then what is the explanation for a correlation between being a gay man and having an abusive or absent father, and/or a domineering mother? One’s environment seems to have some determination on one's sexuality. Rather than being able to choose one’s sexuality, one’s parents, by their behavior, can increase the likelihood that their child will become gay or straight. Just my humble opinion here, I don’t have any academic training or counseling experience in this area.
    I'm of the opinion that a person turns out gay in a number of different ways. I feel some are born that way and other people become that way. I know I didn't always feel attracted to men, I used to date and have relationships with women. But as time went on I lost that that attraction to women and now men are all I think about. But come to think of it, I did have an abusive and absent father and an overbearing mother, so who knows.
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    Dec 12, 2009 9:51 AM GMT
    This may sound weird, but why does this matter? Is it something that's important to straight people? I'm not asking this question to diminish the purpose of the post, but beyond choosing to "sin" - what is the issue here?
    I have asked lots of people why they are straight (when they ask me why I'm gay) and they don't know, nor do they feel the need to understand it. I also ask how they would feel if the majority of people were gay and they were expected to explain themselves or "switch" /choose to be something other than what they are.
    I think this is an important issue only to people who believe it's a choice, people who wouldn't change their minds whether it was explainable or not.We don't need to defend or explain ourselves at all, especially to those who are not genuinely interested in the answer, regardless of what it may be. Their primary interest is in using moral superiority to establish themselves politically because they are too lazy to actually govern.



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    Dec 12, 2009 10:12 AM GMT
    jawrhed saidThis may sound weird, but why does this matter? Is it something that's important to straight people? I'm not asking this question to diminish the purpose of the post, but beyond choosing to "sin" - what is the issue here?
    I have asked lots of people why they are straight (when they ask me why I'm gay) and they don't know, nor do they feel the need to understand it. I also ask how they would feel if the majority of people were gay and they were expected to explain themselves or "switch" /choose to be something other than what they are.
    I think this is an important issue only to people who believe it's a choice, people who wouldn't change their minds whether it was explainable or not.We don't need to defend or explain ourselves at all, especially to those who are not genuinely interested in the answer, regardless of what it may be. Their primary interest is in using moral superiority to establish themselves politically because they are too lazy to actually govern.


    I don't defend my choice of clothes, cars, where I live, food and etc.. Straights dont' defend who they have sex with. Why must I defend "Who I Am." My sexual preference is my choice and my business. Jawrhed: Piece, I mean Peace Brother. Just a natural response!icon_biggrin.gif
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    Dec 12, 2009 10:14 AM GMT
    Who cares what they think. Hell, it may even be both. Those who oppress us will just say that we're born this way but we're not supposed to act upon it. They'll say people are born with a propensity to become alcoholics too, doesn't make it right. (a family member said that one too me). Screw em!


    It IS my choice to accept me and to live the life that I see fit for ME. Deal with it. End of discussion.


    Own it.
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    Dec 12, 2009 10:41 AM GMT
    jawrhed saidThis may sound weird, but why does this matter? Is it something that's important to straight people? I'm not asking this question to diminish the purpose of the post, but beyond choosing to "sin" - what is the issue here?
    I have asked lots of people why they are straight (when they ask me why I'm gay) and they don't know, nor do they feel the need to understand it. I also ask how they would feel if the majority of people were gay and they were expected to explain themselves or "switch" /choose to be something other than what they are.
    I think this is an important issue only to people who believe it's a choice, people who wouldn't change their minds whether it was explainable or not.We don't need to defend or explain ourselves at all, especially to those who are not genuinely interested in the answer, regardless of what it may be. Their primary interest is in using moral superiority to establish themselves politically because they are too lazy to actually govern.






    I think you're approaching the issue from a private perspective. If that is the case, then it really doesn't matter, in terms of personal choice, who an individual chooses to have sexual intimate contact with.

    But the issue of homosexuality as a genetic characteristic matters a great deal in our society. Sexual orientation is not important unless there is a political, social, cultural, or economical reason to condemn or condone it. The reason why there is a homosexual rights movement is precisely because the question has not been answered. If homosexuality was proven to be genetic, rather than environmental, then homosexuals would be given protected status. Discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation would be at the same footing with other protected classes like race and gender. Basically, gay marriage, don't ask don't tell, gay adoption, work discrimination, and most issues affecting homosexuals would disappear. Homosexual and heterosexual issues would be dealt with equally..

    Unlike some people here, I cannot proclaim to know the answer. I cannot say homosexuality is genetic, just as I cannot say that it is a result of social and environmental factors. What I can say is that the answer to that question matters greatly. So, for all tired of hearing the same arguments, my suggestion is to get to work on finding a way to answer that question with scientific proof.


  • Dec 12, 2009 11:57 AM GMT
    jawrhed saidThis may sound weird, but why does this matter? Is it something that's important to straight people? I'm not asking this question to diminish the purpose of the post, but beyond choosing to "sin" - what is the issue here?
    I have asked lots of people why they are straight (when they ask me why I'm gay) and they don't know, nor do they feel the need to understand it. I also ask how they would feel if the majority of people were gay and they were expected to explain themselves or "switch" /choose to be something other than what they are.
    I think this is an important issue only to people who believe it's a choice, people who wouldn't change their minds whether it was explainable or not.We don't need to defend or explain ourselves at all, especially to those who are not genuinely interested in the answer, regardless of what it may be. Their primary interest is in using moral superiority to establish themselves politically because they are too lazy to actually govern.



    Well put, but this actually works when both options (being gay vs. being straight) are equally valid. And for most of the people the only valid option is being straight, and those who proclaim to be gay are just provocative, dangerous individuals who jepardize the ideal of a conservative christian family with 2'5 kids.