When Broken Glass Rains Down Upon You...

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    Dec 12, 2009 4:57 PM GMT
    Another one of my incomparable misadventures, from less than 2 hours ago:

    I was about to take a shower, prior to attending an AIDS fundraising meeting and holiday party at someone's house at 11 AM this morning. Yesterday afternoon we noticed that one of our 2 frameless glass shower doors was off it's track or something, which we assumed our cleaning lady had done, though she was gone by the time we had gotten back home.

    So I looked at it more closely this morning, and discovered one of the wheels on the top track had fallen off, which I found along with its screw on the shower floor. With no time to fix it right then, I figured I'd do what we did late yesterday before going to another party, just ease the door closed with both hands.

    CRASH! The whole door shattered in an instant into a million pieces with me inside the shower. I have no idea why; I hadn't forced it, it hit nothing, it was moving along smoothly.

    I yelled for my partner, who found me stark naked and covered with glass fragments, my feet totally hidden under piles of broken glass. The door was evidently tempered safety glass, the kind that shatters into tiny pieces rather than large shards, like the side windows in autos do.

    Nevertheless I was bleeding from multiple cuts, on my feet, legs and hands, nothing major but not pretty. I asked my partner to bring towels to throw across the bathroom floor where glass had spread, and to toss others to me, so I could make a safe walking path out of the shower.

    Ordinary bandaids took care of my numerous minor cuts. I went ahead and dressed, to drive him to the meeting & party, but then returned home to start on the clean-up, which is almost done now, just taking a break. He'll phone me when the meeting portion is done, to rejoin him for the party.

    We'll obviously replace that shower door, but I doubt I'll ever feel comfortable with it again. I was surprisingly shaken by the accident, the frameless door positively exploding in my hands, and I had some trouble driving him afterwards. Unfortunately he still can't drive himself following his own recent medical crisis.

    I'm just glad it didn't happen when we showered together late yesterday, as he still can't wash his own legs & feet, which I do in the shower with him. With both of us in the shower and surrounded by broken glass, I'm not sure how we would have gotten out without lacerating our feet. And I hate to think of him being subjected to the same shock I just was.

    Ah, modern living, if there anything like it? He'll phone me around 1 PM when the meeting is over, to rejoin him for the holiday party. Cheers! icon_razz.gif
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    Dec 12, 2009 6:03 PM GMT
    OK, I've scooped and brushed most of the glass into an unlined plastic trash can. Plastic bags wouldn't work, getting torn to shreds, and the glass weighing over 20 pounds at least. I'll pour it into a dumpster, which may not be kosher, but I don't know what else to do.

    I'll vacuum the rest later, the shower still being wet, since I had started the water before the door shattered. I'm bleeding again, from handling the glass, hard to avoid getting cut. This is not something a senior citizen should have to go through, more stress than I need these days. icon_razz.gif
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    Dec 12, 2009 6:04 PM GMT
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    Dec 12, 2009 6:09 PM GMT
    Safety glass is weird stuff.

    A few years back, I bought a large glass house as salvage. It was basically hundreds of panes of safety glass mounted on aluminum rails with bedding putty. It took considerable force, and sometimes heat from a torch, to pry the panes loose. All while doing a spider-man act.

    In all, I think four panes shattered while I was disassembling it, and two when I was reassembling it. There was no way to predict which ones were going to shatter. They usually didn't shatter when I was prying or bending them, but just from a light incidental tap. Of course, mostly they did it when I was underneath, looking up.

    And yet, the stuff holds up tons of snow.

    Edit: Here it is last christmas morning

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  • Webster666

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    Dec 12, 2009 6:47 PM GMT
    You could have put the glass in double (or triple) paper grocery bags. You could have bought a pair of heavy cotton gloves at a hardware store.
    Be thankful that it wasn't any worse.
    Isn't it always something...
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    Dec 12, 2009 8:02 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidYou could have put the glass in double (or triple) paper grocery bags. You could have bought a pair of heavy cotton gloves at a hardware store.
    Be thankful that it wasn't any worse.
    Isn't it always something...

    If you're referring to my shower door, rather than mindgarden's greenhouse, the sliding door was about 4 feet by 5 feet. And I was just trying to gently close it, as I had done the evening before, me already totally naked with the water running. We had to be at the meeting in 45 minutes, no time to run out and buy heavy cotton gloves, nor did I ever imagine I'd need them to simply slide a shower door closed.
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    Dec 12, 2009 8:57 PM GMT
    lol, Red Vespa, that's what you get for staring at glass when you're peeved.

    Mind power! icon_wink.gif

    Hope you're OK my friend, and keep an eye on those little cuts in case they infect, eh?

    -Doug


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    Dec 12, 2009 9:29 PM GMT
    meninlove said lol, Red Vespa, that's what you get for staring at glass when you're peeved.

    Mind power! icon_wink.gif

    Hope you're OK my friend, and keep an eye on those little cuts in case they infect, eh?

    -Doug

    Yeah, will do. Just made an attempt at vacuuming in there, came out with my hands all bleeding. Every time I touch the floor I cut myself. Gotta get it done in time for us to shower for a big party we're attending in a few hours. The shower is still wet in places, preventing the vacuum from getting all the particles up.

    Gonna try to use the 1 remaining shower door to keep the floor from flooding, not sure how well that will work, especially with the 2 of us in there. I'll angle the shower head as best I can. I wonder why life can't be simple. icon_razz.gif
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    Dec 12, 2009 9:34 PM GMT
    (Psst *stage whisper* a shop vac will do the trick, even if the glass bits are wet...just make sure there is some kind of filter inside to stop bits from getting in the motor. )



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    Dec 12, 2009 10:21 PM GMT
    tampered glass is awesome stuff, while you got a couple of little cuts has it not be tampered it would have been shards.

    The reason tampered glass shatters like it does it because the process it goes through (heating up the panel to high temps then quenching with cold air) causes the outsider laters of glass (literally a few mill thick depending on how thick the glass is) to be in tension together, so both sides working together and pulling in causes the class to be under constant inward pressure on both sides so it's equal.

    Safety glass can occasionally get scratched (very light) but, a scratch or even slight chip will cause it to be become unequal tension and while it might not be enough to break the glass then, a tap in the wrong spot, moving it, causing the pane of glass to flex, what ever, will cause it to shatter (this is the reason I believe for mindgardens glass which would randomly shatter on him.

    Red, you probably hit something in the track with the edge of the glass, it's the weakest point and fastest way to break tampered glass (I've seen hammers bounce of tampered glass, so if it needs breaking you tap the glass on the edge with a hammer, it's faster, easier and doesn't need as much strength)

    Your also gonna findthat door awefully pricy to replace tampered glass is custom order only
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    Dec 12, 2009 10:23 PM GMT
    meninlove said (Psst *stage whisper* a shop vac will do the trick, even if the glass bits are wet...just make sure there is some kind of filter inside to stop bits from getting in the motor. )

    (Psst back: ain't got no shop vac, nor can I get one quick enough.)

    But thanks for the thought, I know about shop vacs. Actually I think I'll suggest to hubby that we shower in his Jacuzzi tub as an interim measure tonight, which does have this huge dinner-plate-like shower head over the middle of the tub, that we never use. I assume it works? Nor am I sure the decorative shower curtains are safe to get wet.

    In this small condo, "his" bathroom is the master off our bedroom, combined with a dressing room and his closet, and "mine" is the guest one in the hall. I started using the guest when I first met him and began sleeping over some nights. Later when we became partners I continued my habit, since the master bath has only 1 sink, and I think every man should have his own.

    But the guest has a large shower stall, with an elaborate shower tower with horizontal body spray heads and all this fancy crap, so that's what we both use on a daily basis. And that's where the frameless glass doors are that broke. A bit confusing, but reflective of how we got together, beginning patterns we continue today.
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    Dec 12, 2009 10:32 PM GMT
    lilTanker saidtampered glass is awesome stuff, while you got a couple of little cuts has it not be tampered it would have been shards.

    The reason tampered glass shatters like it does it because the process it goes through (heating up the panel to high temps then quenching with cold air) causes the outsider laters of glass (literally a few mill thick depending on how thick the glass is) to be in tension together, so both sides working together and pulling in causes the class to be under constant inward pressure on both sides so it's equal.

    Safety glass can occasionally get scratched (very light) but, a scratch or even slight chip will cause it to be become unequal tension and while it might not be enough to break the glass then, a tap in the wrong spot, moving it, causing the pane of glass to flex, what ever, will cause it to shatter (this is the reason I believe for mindgardens glass which would randomly shatter on him.

    Red, you probably hit something in the track with the edge of the glass, it's the weakest point and fastest way to break tampered glass (I've seen hammers bounce of tampered glass, so if it needs breaking you tap the glass on the edge with a hammer, it's faster, easier and doesn't need as much strength)

    Your also gonna findthat door awefully pricy to replace tampered glass is custom order only

    Thank you for that detailed info on tempered glass. My knowledge of it has previously been limited to automobile applications, where I've seen the same instant disintegration effect.

    You must be correct about the cause, since there was no impact, nor any strain placed on it. I was handling it like eggshell, when it just literally exploded in my hands in a flash.

    I may see if we can replace both panels with more conventional framed glass doors, as I doubt I will ever feel comfortable again with this frameless approach. Fortunately we have a friend who is a general contractor, and has done this kind of work for us before. I'm sure you are right, that an exact replacement will be prohibitively expensive.
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    Dec 12, 2009 10:51 PM GMT
    Thanks for the warning! Glad you are both OK. Maybe use Bactine or similar around the cuts?
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    Dec 12, 2009 11:01 PM GMT
    antelope saidThanks for the warning! Glad you are both OK. Maybe use Bactine or similar around the cuts?

    Well I've had recent tetanus shots, thanks to bicycle crashes, and also have a tube of Neosporin antibiotic, that I use daily on hubby's foot while it heals from his gangrene. An infection right now is the least of my worries.

    In a little over an hour we're supposed to leave for a big annual gay Christmas party, gifts in hand, to a 15,000-square foot mansion. And we look like Hell, still not even showered. So now I'll try again to vacuum the bathroom, I hope finally dry, or else I'm not sure what we'll do. Life isn't supposed to be this complicated when you get to our age. icon_razz.gif
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    Dec 13, 2009 12:14 AM GMT
    Actually, I think that all large pieces of glass for residential use, and any glass in or around doors, must be tempered glass in the U.S.

    The requirements became even stricter for multi-story buildings, after many people were killed during earthquakes in Tokyo and Mexico City, by pieces of glass falling from high-rises.
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    Dec 13, 2009 1:59 AM GMT
    From what I understand of american building codes, residential buildings comprising of mostly brick/concrete/steel with opening windows (ie, typical apartment block/home) doesn't need to be tampered glass.

    Commercial buildings with glass exteriors I believe have to be tampered or laminated glass, I believe they still use laminated because of the safety benefits, if you break laminated glass there is the plastic layer between the glass that still needs to give way before things fall out and a large portion of the glass even while broken will remain attached to the laminate plastic.

    For cars side windows are usually tampered glass including I believe the back too however the front windshield of the car is laminated, car manufactures played with tampered but found crash dummies heads getting cracked, broken and a few people where killed when there head impacted the glass and it didnt have any give in it.
    Laminated is used because the glass breaks most stays attached to the laminate plastic and has a lot of give in it, in movies they show people getting thrown through front windows and shit, is actually more unlikely in real life, the window will buckle, splinter, then be pulled out of its bedding frame all the while helping to absorb energy from the impact and will usually come out in one piece.

    Why do I know this shit for??????
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    Dec 13, 2009 2:01 AM GMT
    OOH and for residential homes yes, internal glass used in show screens is always tampered, it's safer (and demanded by code) especially with children about, the small cubes of glass are less likely to cut badly.
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    Dec 13, 2009 5:10 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa,
    I was referring to a safer way to clean up the broken shower door glass.
    It's impossible to handle glass with your bare hands, without getting cut.
    Even if you hadn't had your shower, I would have washed up, using a wash cloth, and made it to the party, then cleaned up the glass the next day.
    Just offering some friendly advice...
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    Dec 13, 2009 1:11 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidRed_Vespa,
    I was referring to a safer way to clean up the broken shower door glass.
    It's impossible to handle glass with your bare hands, without getting cut.
    Even if you hadn't had your shower, I would have washed up, using a wash cloth, and made it to the party, then cleaned up the glass the next day.
    Just offering some friendly advice...

    I did do a freshen-up first at the other bathroom's sink, then went to the 11 AM function. By late afternoon I had the glass all picked up, was able to shower with just the remaining door in place.
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    Dec 13, 2009 1:38 PM GMT
    Follow-up: so we went to the 8 PM Christmas party, the shower functional with just one glass door, and angling the shower head away from the opening. Hubby is afraid to go in there and maybe get his feet cut if I missed some broken glass, while he's still recovering from gangrene in his right foot, so only I used it.

    Incidentally, before I carted out the glass fragments this morning in a plastic kitchen garbage can, I weighed it out of curiosity, because it seemed so damn heavy for what had been a very thin door. It was 38.6 pounds! Not including what went into the vacuum, and I don't think the plastic can itself weighs more than 2 pounds. I had no idea that much glass had fallen on me, and it surprises me that the remaining door must weigh the same amount, it rolls so effortlessly.

    So last night we went to the party in this large house, a mansion really of 15,000+ square feet (not including the balconied 2-story indoor greenhouse with palm trees), with a 20-foot Christmas tree in the 3-story open living room, a 10-foot-diameter hot air balloon carrying Santa at the second floor level of the curving grand staircase, and 12 other Christmas trees throughout the 3 main floors. And as I was sitting in this elegant armchair, I saw my hands had sprung leaks again, the bandaids removed for my shower, and I'm staining my shirt and pants with blood. More important is that I not stain the chair upholstery.

    I spent the rest of the evening clutching cocktail napkins I had to keep replacing, a good excuse to keep a drink always in my hand. And the bleeding never did stop, kinda odd for me 12 hours after the accident, yet I couldn't feel any glass fragments under the skin. At least it wasn't large amounts, just a constant seepage, which seems stopped this morning.

    We have 2 more events today, an open house reception in the afternoon, then we'll leave for a 6 PM dinner party near Miami. All our friends, whom I can entertain with this story of my latest misadventure. icon_razz.gif
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    Oct 23, 2014 1:07 AM GMT
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    I spent the rest of the evening clutching cocktail napkins I had to keep replacing, a good excuse to keep a drink always in my hand.

    Alcohol ... again.

    You went back 5 years to find this? You are seriously deranged. I mean really, you need to seek professional help quickly. You are just a pathetic joke here, the way you stalk and persecute me.

    I never said it was an alcohol drink in my hand. Rather, I was holding a glass of cola as a nonchalant prop at this party so I could actually have a paper cocktail napkin in my hand to mask the bleeding. I didn't want to depart early and end my husband's evening with his friends.

    And of course my message with that original post was the potential danger of frameless residential glass shower doors. Which I never knew about until this happened to me. But upon online research learned it is actually a rather widespread problem, and perhaps they should be avoided, despite their attractive appearance.

    So that the only plus to your nastiness is the opportunity to revisit a topic that may still be of interest to guys here. I would recommend against having these tempered glass shower doors.
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    Oct 23, 2014 1:23 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidArt_Deco, care to fill in the blanks? And then we'll see exactly WHO is the one who has no interest in coexisting peacefully on here.

    ---- FROM southbeach1500 Oct 10, 2014 at 10:08 PM
    Life would be so much better if you didn't think anyone and everyone who criticizes you is me. I am sincere and honest when I say that 43rueperronet is NOT me. Please. Let's cease fire here. Please.

    ------- Art Deco response (omitted to respect his privacy) -------

    ---- FROM southbeach1500 Oct 11, 2014 at 7:48 AM
    Because you are acting like a fool. I did NOT break the truce, you did because you mistakenly assumed that 43reuperronet and also silver_phoenix are me, just because they posted some less than complimentary things about you. THEY ARE NOT ME. As I suggested to you before, contact the admin and he will confirm for you that they are posting from completely different parts of the country.

    ------- Art Deco response (omitted to respect his privacy) -------

    ---- FROM southbeach1500 Oct 11, 2014 at 2:23 PM
    My honesty index is 100%.

    ------- Art Deco response (omitted to respect his privacy) -------

    ---- FROM southbeach1500 Oct 11, 2014 at 2:39 PM
    Yes, AFTER it was abundantly clear you were no longer abiding by the truce. OK, whatever.

    ------- Art Deco response (omitted to respect his privacy) -------

    ---- FROM southbeach1500 Oct 11, 2014 at 3:11 PM
    Yep, chatting online on lots of sites, including A4A. That's what GAY guys do. But OK, clearly you aren't interested in a truce.

    And all of that (which is heavily edited) is related to that 5-year old thread of mine you resurrected HOW?
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    Oct 23, 2014 1:27 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
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    Art_Deco said
    I spent the rest of the evening clutching cocktail napkins I had to keep replacing, a good excuse to keep a drink always in my hand.

    Alcohol ... again.

    You went back 5 years to find this? You are seriously deranged.
    I think he's actually a female. No guy would ever do that. icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 23, 2014 1:30 AM GMT
    Will it do any good to use the "Report Spam" link on this particular post of Southbeach?

    Many of Southbeach's recent posts have crossed a line into stalkerism.
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    Oct 23, 2014 1:32 AM GMT
    Determinate saidWill it do any good to use the "Report Spam" link on this particular post of Southbeach?

    Many of Southbeach's recent posts have crossed a line into stalkerism.

    Technically it's not spam as the word is defined. Just simple hatred.