O Come O Come Emmanuel

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    Dec 12, 2009 11:18 PM GMT
    I love this song.

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    Dec 13, 2009 4:37 AM GMT
    J'aime cette chanson

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    Dec 13, 2009 7:25 AM GMT
    . . . well of course you love it . . . and the Carpenters did a nice version . . .

    . . . but at the end of the day, it's all about condemning to eternal death and torture billions of people who don't belong to your club . . .

    . . . and you get off on that . . . just admit it . . .
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    Dec 13, 2009 7:25 AM GMT
    . . . well of course you love it . . . and the Carpenters did a nice version . . .

    . . . but at the end of the day, it's all about condemning to eternal death and torture billions of people who don't belong to your club . . .

    . . . and you get off on that . . . just admit it . . .
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    Dec 13, 2009 7:59 AM GMT
    noren said . . . well of course you love it . . . and the Carpenters did a nice version . . .

    . . . but at the end of the day, it's all about condemning to eternal death and torture billions of people who don't belong to your club . . .

    . . . and you get off on that . . . just admit it . . .


    Normally I'd advocate against personal attacks on members based on carry-overs from other thread discussions...

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    Dec 13, 2009 8:00 AM GMT
    noren said . . . well of course you love it . . . and the Carpenters did a nice version . . .

    . . . but at the end of the day, it's all about condemning to eternal death and torture billions of people who don't belong to your club . . .

    . . . and you get off on that . . . just admit it . . .


    The club itself is divided on this.

    Some believe in annihilation. This means that whoever can't be saved will be destroyed forever. This doesn't mean that they will be in a state in which they are forever being destroyed (oxymoron), but that once destroyed, they will remain destroyed forever. Just as the saved experience eternal salvation in the sense that once they are in heaven they are safe forever, and not in the sense that they will be in a state in which they are forever being saved. Christians in general find it easier to pick out the oxymoron in the idea of being saved forever that in the idea of being destroyed forever. And that's bizarre.

    Some others believe that hell is eternal, but entirely chosen. This means that God will not reject anyone who wants to spend eternity in heaven, but simply leaves the option entirely with you. So it is that mass murderers, dictators, and child molesters die and find themselves faced with the biggest decision in existence: Do you want to spend forever with God? Many want to; many don't. So they're not forced to. And whatever torture they experience is as natural to their being as love is to a healthy person's being. In other words, the gates of hell are locked from the inside. According to this belief system, the damned are exactly where they want to be. Some people prefer anguish to love.

    Some believe in universal salvation. That means that they believe that God, in his infinite love, will eventually reach every created being and reconcile it to himself.

    All three factions can find scripture to back up their afterlife belief system.
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    Dec 13, 2009 8:20 AM GMT
    . . . yes, I'm familiar with those in the club who "dare" to ask and hope that all might be saved . . .

    . . . it's just a sentimental doily on which they place their hate and fear and insecurity. . .

    . . . to The Others: those who believe in some kind of universal salvation are heretics or apostates . . . that is the current situation . . . in practical application, the universalists are still in league with the exterminators, and no amount of casuistry can cleanse the blood from their hands . . .

    . . . as for Ciarsolo's non sequitur, well, what can one say? . . . nice pits?

    . . . it wouldn't be a fair fight . . .
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    Dec 13, 2009 8:58 AM GMT
    Gentlemen....gentlemen!

    Please, there's enough hate and ignorance in the world. The only way to stop it is to make a personal decision not to contribute to either.

    Think on this one for a while: if you're allowing your sexual orientation to keep you from God -- we didn't chose this, we were chosen! Now, live the life you were given and make it count!

    The call is universal; the response is individual.
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    Dec 13, 2009 9:45 AM GMT
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    . . . as for Ciarsolo's non sequitur, well, what can one say? . . . nice pits?

    . . . it wouldn't be a fair fight . . .



    I think he was agreeing with you, munchkin. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 13, 2009 12:10 PM GMT
    Oh, yeah! Yet another thread started by G_Farce that he'll end up deleting when it gets to be too much for him. Moron.
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    Dec 13, 2009 12:12 PM GMT
    It's a shitty, morose song.
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    Dec 13, 2009 12:50 PM GMT

    This is the only Christmas Song I like.

    Buhbububu! Some like it hot, I like it really hot!

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    Dec 13, 2009 12:52 PM GMT
    noren said . . . well of course you love it . . . and the Carpenters did a nice version . . .

    . . . but at the end of the day, it's all about condemning to eternal death and torture billions of people who don't belong to your club . . .

    . . . and you get off on that . . . just admit it . . .


    No, I don't delight in the death of anyone. That is a false accusation and not true. God is my witness.
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    Dec 13, 2009 12:56 PM GMT
    I love the song because God came to save ALL, NOT DAMN! That's why I love Christmas and celebrate it.
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    Dec 13, 2009 3:58 PM GMT
    G_Force, that was a beautiful song. I even played it twice.
    It seems to have a Hebrew flavour to it.
    It has reminded me to when I was a volunteer in Israel in 1994, working at a Christian conference center at Ishfya, just outside Haifa. During the Sunday services we often sung in Hebrew (with the script written using our alphabet alongside the Hebrew text, so we could read and pronounce the words, together with the English translation). It has really helped to get into the spirit of what life in Israel was like.

    Immanuel - God with us. It is the greatest event that has ever happened in the entire history of the human race.
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    Dec 13, 2009 7:09 PM GMT
    NotThatOld saidG_Force, that was a beautiful song. I even played it twice.
    It seems to have a Hebrew flavour to it.
    It has reminded me to when I was a volunteer in Israel in 1994, working at a Christian conference center at Ishfya, just outside Haifa. During the Sunday services we often sung in Hebrew (with the script written using our alphabet alongside the Hebrew text, so we could read and pronounce the words, together with the English translation). It has really helped to get into the spirit of what life in Israel was like.

    Immanuel - God with us. It is the greatest event that has ever happened in the entire history of the human race.


    I agree. It does have a Hebrew flavor and although I am a Gentile, I am united and one with God's O.T. people because I have the same faith as they did. The only difference is they looked forward to this event that would happen in the future, but we look back in the past. But we both are saved by faith in the same Messiah. This is what unites both Old and New Testament beleivers. One of the things I really look forward to is to be able to meet these OT beleivers and hear about what life was like for them here on earth. I'm sure they also look forward to hearing about our experiences. We are going to have so much to talk about, but we have a whole eternity to do so.