DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

  • metta

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    Dec 15, 2009 7:50 PM GMT
    DC City Council votes to legalize gay marriage

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    Mayor Adrian Fenty has promised to sign the bill, which passed 11-2, and gay couples could begin marrying as early as March. Congress, which has final say over Washington's laws, could reject it, but Democratic leaders have suggested they are reluctant to do so.

    The bill had overwhelming support among council members and was expected to pass, though opponents have vowed to try to get Congress or voters to overturn it.[/QUOTE]



    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/6771535.html


    Once the Mayor signs the bill, it will go to Congress for a 30-day review. Congress could vote to overturn it. Let's hope Speaker Pelosi and Sen. Reid won't even let the bill come to the floor for a vote.



    Another story:
    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/12/15/DC_Council_Votes_Yes_on_Marriage_Equality/
  • mellowmuscle

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    Dec 15, 2009 8:12 PM GMT
    That's awesome. I grew up in the DC metro area and still have gay friends there. If the law is passed, then this will be the closest state/territory yet to "the south" that allows gay marriage.
  • NickoftheNort...

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    Dec 15, 2009 8:16 PM GMT
    Ah, but if Congress overturned it, would we then have a case of "big government" overturning "local government" (aka. "the will of the people")?

    What right should the federal Congress have to overturn DC's local definition of marriage and yet not overturn the numerous definitions across the land?

    Of course, this argument may be expecting rationality where there is none to be had.
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    Dec 15, 2009 8:28 PM GMT
    NickoftheNorth saidAh, but if Congress overturned it, would we then have a case of "big government" overturning "local government" (aka. "the will of the people")?

    What right should the federal Congress have to overturn DC's local definition of marriage and yet not overturn the numerous definitions across the land?

    Of course, this argument may be expecting rationality where there is none to be had.



    It's true this would be thin ice for Congress. They do have jurisdiction over all the laws and ordinances of the district... and, in fact, Congress could technically abolish the city council and the mayor's office if it ever chose to under Home Rule. They can't meddle in the same way with states' rights. But it would be weird precedent if they did overturn the vote on this particular issue. Best to not let it ever come to a vote. Congress should deal with the matter on a federal level and stay away from the local bill.

  • mellowmuscle

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    Dec 15, 2009 8:46 PM GMT
    i wouldn't expect any overruling on congress' part when it's democratically controlled. plus it would make obama look really bad when he's made so many promises to the gay community.
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    Dec 15, 2009 9:25 PM GMT
    mellowmuscle saidi wouldn't expect any overruling on congress' part when it's democratically controlled. plus it would make obama look really bad when he's made so many promises to the gay community.


    What? I wouldn't be surprised if the Democratic cowards in Congress would throw us under the bus again if it would protect a few blue dogs. And Obama, why would he start standing up for for LGBT rights now? Has he grown a spine?
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    Dec 15, 2009 9:44 PM GMT
    Does anyone familiar with DC politics know if there has been an issue in the past of Congress overruling the local DC government on hot issues similar to gay marriage? I recall something about gun control or death penalty in the past. I could research but I'm way to busy working and posting on RJ.

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    Dec 15, 2009 9:56 PM GMT
    medfordguy said
    mellowmuscle saidi wouldn't expect any overruling on congress' part when it's democratically controlled. plus it would make obama look really bad when he's made so many promises to the gay community.


    What? I wouldn't be surprised if the Democratic cowards in Congress would throw us under the bus again if it would protect a few blue dogs. And Obama, why would he start standing up for for LGBT rights now? Has he grown a spine?


    No, mellowmuscle is correct. The reports out there show that it would be very surprising if congress overruled this.

    Well done DC! As a former resident, I am very proud. icon_cool.gif
  • metta

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    Dec 16, 2009 9:35 PM GMT
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    Dec 16, 2009 9:41 PM GMT
    NickoftheNorth saidAh, but if Congress overturned it, would we then have a case of "big government" overturning "local government" (aka. "the will of the people")?

    What right should the federal Congress have to overturn DC's local definition of marriage and yet not overturn the numerous definitions across the land?

    Of course, this argument may be expecting rationality where there is none to be had.


    No, it´s confusing what the guiding principle really is. If it were "small government" then they would oppose all government intrusion on the definition of marriage (eg the marriage privatization people). For the contemporary "right" small government, though touted a great deal, is not the guiding principle, that is in fact religious conservatism. And they were told by the baby Jesus that they were right and gays don´t deserve equality with other american citizens, though it IS OK that they pay equal (and often higher) taxes.
  • Webster666

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    Dec 16, 2009 10:58 PM GMT
    Whiny Joe Lieberman and his Senate will put us back in our place as 2nd class citizens.
    I hope not.
  • metta

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    Dec 18, 2009 10:10 AM GMT


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2009/12/16/VI2009121600801.html?sid=ST2009121102889






    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2009/12/15/DI2009121504161.html


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    Robert McCartney: It's unlikely that Congress will block the legislation by actually voting it down in the 30-day review period after Mayor Fenty signs the bill (as he's said he will). Democrats control Congress, and there's a Democrat in the White House. They're not going to go out of their way to stop this.

    However, the best chance for opponents to stop it is in the "budget maneuvers" that Council Member Catania described. In particular, opponents could attach an amendment -- called a rider -- to an appropriations bill. That amendment could say something like: The District cannot spend any money to implement legalization of same-sex marriage. That kind of parliamentary maneuver could put the issue on the floor of Congress, and then there might be a battle that could stall the process.

    Then of course there's also a risk -- though I think it's small -- that the courts could rule that D.C. has to put the matter to a referendum.


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    I believe this will encourage a push for same-sex marriage in Maryland. It won't have an effect on Virginia, at least not anytime soon, because that state has passed a state constitutional amendment defining marriage as being between a man and a woman.

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  • metta

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    Dec 18, 2009 8:12 PM GMT
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