Marriage Equality in Mexico Tomorrow

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    Dec 16, 2009 7:57 PM GMT
    First came Ottawa, now Washington is coming; but we need to complete the three North American capital cities I hear you say. Fear no more.

    The (unicameral!) Legislative Assembly of the Federal District is considering a gender neutral marriage bill with as much as 42 votes in favor out of a total of 66 with tri-partisan support: Institutional Revolutionary Party, Democratic Revolution Party and Labor Party. Now those are good odds.

    The only major party opposing the bill is National Action Party (President Calderon's party which lost badly in the recent midterm elections in most of the republic) which usually is pretty much aligned with the Roman Catholic Church's positions on social issues. Their only tactic left seems to be to abandon debate to break quorum which by rules of the legislative body (edit: just its committes) seems to require presence from the major parties while discussing a bill.

    Just a few minutes ago it is reported (http://www.radioformula.com.mx/noticias/df/podria-aprobarse-hoy-dictamen-de-matrimonio-970289.html) that the Assembly's committe could actually pass the bill as soon as today. But bear in mind that the vote has already been delayed once due to the aforementioned blocking tactics of the National Action Party. I hope there is more to see in Yahoo! or Google news as time passes. Gosh, I'm afraid I might be actually dreaming.

    I'm on the run to the office, but couldn’t resist sharing this one with you.

    A few points of interests is that the Federal District (which is the same thing as Mexico City itself) has home rule and the Federal Congress has no say in this bill (unlike D.C. ) but for the life of me I cannot find data about the possibility of a referendum post fact. Meanwhile, of course, the National Action Party has announced it will go to the courts to appeal the law if it passes. I don't see how as even our Federal Constitution has a non discrimination clause which includes "preferences" and our federal anti discrimination law which "emanates from the constitution" does explicitly mentions "sexual preferences" (Not that I am a fan of that particular term, but is better that a sharp stick in the eye, thought I would rather it said "sexual orientation"). And yeah, Mexico City's major has already pledged to sign the bill which will cover North America's biggest city with 8,841.000 inhabitants.

    Other considerations as legal challenges, referendums to overturn or backlash in other states are pending... right now only the Federal District and the state of Coahuila (just south of Texas) have domestic partnerships at the state/district level.
  • LifeByTheHorn

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    Dec 16, 2009 8:59 PM GMT
    Viva la Ciudad de Mexico! It looks like we have to brush up our spanish & bring it to a more advanced level!

    The remaining indigenous Mayan/Aztec descendant people were really accepting & honoring the gaydom forever anyways, like Native Americans here . Like in everywhere the weird, toxic religions from Europe/Mediterrenean/MiddleEast poisoned the atmosphere!

    I am saying " AHOOOOO ", like my cherokee friends !
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    Dec 16, 2009 9:48 PM GMT
    More data:

    An hour ago the bill was voted out of committee again with 14 yes votes, 2 no votes and 2 abstentions. Is unclear if the National Action Party (with only 14 members out of 66) will be able to deny it a vote again by not showing up to debate. This party is hell bent on killing marriage equality and is already accompanying the usual talking points with a call to challenge the law in court (if it passes) or put it into a referendum.

    Meanwhile the bill can still be voted on today; by the way, it is already a compromise of sorts because it does include a clause that bars people involved in same sex marriages from adopting... and, now some people including a member of the federal congress are already calling for the removal of the anti-adoption clause (http://www.radioformula.com.mx/noticias/df/prd-tiene-crisis-de-identidad-aprueba-669950.html)

    Some sources (In Spanish, sorry, I haven't found anything in English yet)

    http://www.milenio.com/node/342822

    http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/646203.html

    http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/ciudad/99192.html

    http://www.elsiglodetorreon.com.mx/noticia/486068.ofrece-pan-impedir-bodas-gay.html

    I'll keep ya updated.
  • offshore

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    Dec 16, 2009 9:50 PM GMT
    Viva la Mexico!
  • roadbikeRob

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    Dec 16, 2009 9:55 PM GMT
    This is great news, Mexico City is joining Washington DC in pursuing a marriage equality bill for its citizens. Like Washington DC, I hope that Mexico City can successfully make gay marriage the law and then tell all the religious right wingers exactly where to head if they are opposed to marriage equality. It would be great to see the national capitals of both Mexico and the USA have gay marriage recognized and protected by law.
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    Dec 16, 2009 10:26 PM GMT
    The bill is planned to go to a floor vote on Friday. icon_biggrin.gif I am so considering going to Mexico City this weekend, but I am sure there is no way I am going to be able to even get near the Legislative Assembly building that day... but, if it passes there is going to be parties everywhere icon_cool.gif.

    Source (Spanish): http://www.milenio.com/node/342859

    As soon as I have more info, or more organized info I'll post to this thread. Right now I am off to see what can I do... thought the number of votes are quite lopsided in favor of the bill I am sure the opponents of equality will not let this go without a fight.

  • SFGeoNinja

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    Dec 16, 2009 10:39 PM GMT
    I had no idea gay activism was so strong in Mexico City, and it's crazy to think that they might have marriage equality down there before even liberal areas of the US! Thanks for sharing the great news!
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    Dec 16, 2009 10:54 PM GMT
    I wonder what stance the Catholic church is taking on this. Well not really - I am sure I know.
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    Dec 18, 2009 12:44 AM GMT
    Well, it seems that anti-equality politicians take their talking points from the same book or something (I do follow the Marriage Equality struggle across the board). The leader of the minority opposition to the Marriage equality bill is criticizing "that the majority is doing this, there are many more pressing issues" and "Let's get out of the closet (yes, she did use that particular analogy) of false democracy" and have a referendum.

    Yes, the party can call to a referendum if they get the signatures of 0.5% of Mexico City's electorate and have the Assembly (yeah, the same Aseembly) petition the Electoral Institute of the Federal District... it didn't happen with the abortion legalization bill, and, the opposition to us is not nearly as organized as the Pro Life organizations are, thought I think the issue is complelty different thought it shares certain elements of oposition to it.

    If I were a Assembly member I would say this:

    "This is clearly a controversial issue but we have heard already from the professionals, specialists and most importantly the people personally affected by this. The people of Mexico City has elected us to take informed decisions on their behalf and representation, not to toss the ball of a controversial issue to them to make a matter of fairness be decided by a majority of people not personally affected by it. And let’s not get started with spending 50 million on a referendum likely to get less than 10% of the electorate just when the city is running a deficit”".

    There! I just made the conservative case for "it's fair, vote it already and be done with it"

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    Meanwhile the bill is still to be voted tomorrow by the whole Assembly. Cross your fingers.

    BTW, phemt, the position of RCC here is, if nothing, consistent as is everywhere: there is no such thing as gay people, only flawed heterosexuals. From then on flows all their opossition to a "they" that conveniently doesn't even exist...
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    Dec 18, 2009 1:09 AM GMT
    Mexico D.F. is big city at its best and worse. Its a world class city and a powerhouse of energy and now they have the added distinction of approving marriage equity laws.

    Viva Mexico!!
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    Dec 18, 2009 2:38 AM GMT
    No referendum!

    Mexico City's Legislative Assembly voted down the proposal for the referendum on marriage equality 36 to 22. icon_cool.gif

    David Razú, the bill's author spoke to say that rights don't get to be voted on because "they are to be kept; rights are for the people, for them to decide if they make use of them. Do not worry, nobody is going to have an obligation to marry".

    On the other hand, the floor vote has been delayed for next week instead of tomorrow as a concession to the members of the Assembly that said that they need to hear from still more people, and thought they will hear from some opponents, I've heard there is pretty decent list of people listed to go there to defend marriage equality. Stay tuned!

    Source (Still in Spanish, English speaking media is still MIA on this...): http://www.cronica.com.mx/nota.php?id_nota=476442
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    Dec 18, 2009 5:17 AM GMT
    Engineer saidThe bill is planned to go to a floor vote on Friday. icon_biggrin.gif I am so considering going to Mexico City this weekend, but I am sure there is no way I am going to be able to even get near the Legislative Assembly building that day... but, if it passes there is going to be parties everywhere icon_cool.gif.

    Source (Spanish): http://www.milenio.com/node/342859

    As soon as I have more info, or more organized info I'll post to this thread. Right now I am off to see what can I do... thought the number of votes are quite lopsided in favor of the bill I am sure the opponents of equality will not let this go without a fight.



    Please update us, take pics and ask opinions of the people, when you are there! It will be exciting to follow !
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    Dec 18, 2009 6:05 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI'm excited, impressed, surprised for federal district of Mexico and disappointed to be an American. icon_mad.gif


    Do not be, you Americans actually beat us as far as states and capital cities goes:

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/12/17/DC_Mayor_Adrian_Fenty_to_Sign_Marriage_Bill_on_Friday/

    There are no disappointments thought there is extra North American honor for Canada icon_smile.gif.

    LifeByTheHorn said
    Engineer saidThe bill is planned to go to a floor vote on Friday. icon_biggrin.gif I am so considering going to Mexico City this weekend, but I am sure there is no way I am going to be able to even get near the Legislative Assembly building that day... but, if it passes there is going to be parties everywhere icon_cool.gif.

    Source (Spanish): http://www.milenio.com/node/342859

    As soon as I have more info, or more organized info I'll post to this thread. Right now I am off to see what can I do... thought the number of votes are quite lopsided in favor of the bill I am sure the opponents of equality will not let this go without a fight.



    Please update us, take pics and ask opinions of the people, when you are there! It will be exciting to follow !


    The vote has been delayed for next week, but a flight to Mexico City is looking more and more tempting. I would be thrilled to be there while they vote but I do not know if I can get squeezed into the Assembly chamber. If I got the money and do travel, you're so gonna hear from me about it!
  • LifeByTheHorn

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    Dec 19, 2009 5:14 AM GMT
    I wish I could have gone there also to see the ancient city as well. We need to make you an undercover governmental official in disguise, so you can spy all that for us. We were expecting good news from that ancient Mayan/Aztec/Toltec land !
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    Dec 19, 2009 5:39 AM GMT
    I have some close friends in Mexico DF. Its a world class city. I would love to see that city be on the forefront of marriage equity. If they do, they will be well ahead of "smart and sophisticated AMERICA."

    Viva Mexico! Its about time that us Gringos stop with the patronizing. and learn something from THEM.icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 19, 2009 2:39 PM GMT
    Everything is set and the Marriage Equality bill is coming to a floor vote on the Legislative Assembly on Monday, December 21.

    Cross your finger and expect good news from Mexico that day. Some more notes on this on a more or less chronological order:

    A poll shows that 50% of Mexico City inhabitants approve of same-sex marriage being recognized by law, with 38% against and 12% unsure, meanwhile, the Marriage Equality bill has 42 co-sponsor out of the unicameral legislative body of 66 with support of two of the three major parties, Institutional Revolutionary Party and Democratic Revolution Party, and the smallish Labor Party. Greens and Teachers have been MIA.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/epa/article/ALeqM5hHwwd9siKlY7JvyQ303tPad9jJ2Q

    The National Action Party, breaks quorum on the committee to vote the Marriage bill to the floor of the Assembly. Debate is delayed in order to repeat the committee vote so this can not become grounds for a legal challenge after the bill is signed.

    http://www.milenio.com/node/342299

    The committee votes again to overwhelmingly pass the marriage bill to a floor vote, now with the due quorum

    http://www2.esmas.com/noticierostelevisa/mexico/df/123545/reponen-proceso-aprueban-matrimonios-gays

    National Action Party forces a vote to have the issue undergo a Referendum. The motion is voted down 22 to 36.

    http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2009/12/18/index.php?section=capital&article=032n2cap

    The chairman of the National Action Party threatens to go to court to have the law overturned if it passes, but the consensus is that their chances are, fortunately, dim.

    http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2009/12/16/index.php?section=capital&article=034n5cap

    And yes, the clause that would bar people in same sex marriages from adopting is still there. I personally think it is unfair, but the strategist in me says that this is a battle to be won (and it will be) later and that people in this process were intelligent not to let it hinder us and give to our opponents the "but think of the children" sick argument.
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    Dec 21, 2009 2:32 AM GMT
    And on the eve of the legalization of same sex marriage in Mexico, English speaking media (at least in the Internet) are MIA. Don't believe me? See

    http://news.google.com.mx/news/search?aq=f&um=1&cf=all&ned=es_mx&hl=es&q=gay+marriage+mexico

    Or have you seen anything on TV or radio?

    My friends in Mexico City tell me that is by design... but, I mean is not like the Catholic Church or the Latino American branch of Focus on the Family or every other opponent of equality will be kept in the dark just because the MSM has been pretty quiet outside Mexico, and even here is quite like "and, also Mexico City will be legislating gay marriage tomorrow, in other news...".

    Color me confused, but it helps its passage, I'm fine with it.