Insomnia

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    Jan 01, 2008 6:30 PM GMT
    Aight, I've had insomnia for over a week now. I fall asleep around 9 or 10, then some noise wakes me up at midnight or so, and I can't sleep all night. Then I fall asleep about 7 am till 11 or so and am energetic and relatively fine, but reasonably groggy. I even get a good workout in. But is there anything you find that works without the REM rebound of OTC sleep pills? Any advice helps, I'm afraid I'm going to go crazy...

    Valerian root helped me fall asleep, but it didn't keep me asleep.
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    Jan 01, 2008 7:02 PM GMT
    GABA (gamma-amino butyric acid) and 5-HTP (5-Hydroxytryptophan) will boost your serotonin level, relax you and help you sleep.

    You can get these at an organic market (where I buy mine) or a vitamin center.
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    Jan 01, 2008 9:45 PM GMT
    Caslon, just pushin the GABA and 5-HTP. Love it!

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    Jan 01, 2008 9:57 PM GMT
    Ambien! I'm a chronic insomniac all my life. A friend gave me some Ambien and I was in heaven! Woke up feeling great and slept right thru the nite. As soon as I get insurance I'm sooooo getting more. Alot of natural products you have to take for awhile till they kick in. That's hard to do when you're dying to sleep. It's in the bible! God said to take pills! icon_biggrin.gif

    PS don't take Tylenol PM or that stuff..you wake up feeling like hell.
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    Jan 01, 2008 10:00 PM GMT
    You live in Hell's Kitchen, yes? Why not just try counting the cockroaches on the wall until you're drowsy? icon_smile.gif
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    Jan 01, 2008 10:04 PM GMT
    Yeah, I definitely don't reccoment Tylenol PM. I took it each night for a week, knowing I shouldn't, but I just couldn't sleep.

    I'm really going to look into the GABA, as Caslon has mentioned and discussed in other places also.

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    Jan 01, 2008 10:10 PM GMT
    don't ever stuck with Ambient. I did that for 1 yr and got bad depression. Took me a week to cut the addiction from it. That week, I can pop a whole bottle of everything else and still wont' sleep.

    I have difficulty falling asleep, but once i sleep, i can keep it going. so I take over the counter Unisom, but just half the pill. I'm a lite sleeper, so if I woke up, just take another half of it.

    Trust me, dont' take anythign that you might get addict to it. train your body to sleep
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    Jan 01, 2008 10:56 PM GMT
    yeah, i think it has been the whole moving to a new place/finishing my thesis/applying to the next program/holidays away from everyone all just building up. I took tylenol pm one night and that was a waste. Thanks for the tips Caslon, I appreciate it.
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    Jan 03, 2008 12:04 PM GMT
    Try not to go down the sleep med route...
    you'll start depending on them to get a good night's rest
    try to stay up as late as you can
    don't eat before you go to sleep
    get into a wind down mode an hour before you sleep
    and keep the noises and lights down to a minimum
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    Jan 03, 2008 4:34 PM GMT
    and I've heard that watching tv before bed actually gets you wired up...I'm a light sleeper and found that I just have to stay up later and even then I don't sleep well. So instead of worrying about sleeping...I drink more coffee the next day to keep me awake...reverse psychology...he he he....got 'em!
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    Jan 03, 2008 5:47 PM GMT
    Pick yourself up an incredibly boring book from the second hand store, one where the pages are all brown from age. Start reading it a half hour before you want to go to sleep in bed with a low voltage light bulb and after you turn off the light concentrate hard on the most boring passages you have just tortured yourself to read. If you wake up during the night give yourself a few minutes to fall back to sleep and if you don't then turn on the low voltage light and read a few more torturous paragraphs. Do not get up unless you have to pee. Works for me everytime. If you start getting into pills your REM sleep will suffer and you'll start to look like thisicon_eek.gif
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    Jan 03, 2008 5:49 PM GMT
    My experience with Ambien was terrible. I would wake up at night and do things (like eat an entire large bowl of tapioca pudding) and have no recollection of it in the morning.

    I found Lunesta was way better for me. I slept well, didnt have any night-time adventures, and woke up feeling fine. Only drawback is that it is addicting.

    The GABA adn 5-HTP got me off the lunesta within a few days with no withdrawal problems.

    But taking a 5-HTP and lunesta together will knock you out cold. I was asleep before my head hit the pillows...and I have the bedroom light burning all night because I didnt get to turn it out to prove it.

    ...And I aint pushin' nuthin', rude, impudent young man ... hahahahahaha ... icon_lol.gif Just giving advice based on my experience.
  • fitnfunmich

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    Jan 03, 2008 6:36 PM GMT
    Sicko you need to have proper sleep hygiene, and that means going to bed about the same time every night, and avoiding stimulants (like TV or video games) within an hour or two before bed, and no stimulant meds (like caffeine) within 6 hours of bedtime.

    You should avoid all technology in your bedroom (again no TV, computer, games, etc.) so that your mind associates the bedroom with relaxation and not stimulation. (Well sex of course is great, but that tends to make you sleepy afterward anyway...)

    I also like a white-noise generator (like a fan) so drown out any external noise, and dark blinds or drapes over the windows to keep out any external lights.

    Also, consider taking a warm bath about 30 minutes prior to bedtime. Not only is it relaxing, but as your body cools off it releases natural sleep-promoters in your brain.

    You might also wanna avoid naps during the day, and I agree with the other posters that Rx meds should be avoided if possible. Valerian is ok, and Melatonin is safe too, but it's best to avoid any medications or supplements if possible.

    If nothing works, and you still find yourself waking up at midnight every night and your mind is racing, then go see your doctor, as this can be an early symptom of depression.
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    Jan 06, 2008 4:24 PM GMT
    My friend took ambien and would stand outside with his roommates crutch and pretend to shoot at people walking by. It was really hard to get him to calm that down.

    Thanks for the help. In the end, it was just me needing to get back into a routine. Since I moved and everyone was gone for the break and the gym was closed for the week, it all added up. The last 3 nights I've slept all night and it has been great.