Catholic Charities

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    Dec 16, 2009 10:20 PM GMT
    Do Catholics have so little belief in their own charities that they need gov't funding for those efforts? Are Catholics so unwilling to reach into their own pockets but instead reach into tax payer pockets to fund the "good works" they are supposively called by their faith to do?
    Recent events in Washington DC show how much gov't support Catholic Charities recieve from tax payers. Last year Catholic Charities DC received $16 million of its $23 million budget through gov't contracts. If someone gives me a $1 to give to homeless guy - was it really my charity or the person's who gave the dollar to me in the first place? The Catholic church is so sad on so many fronts.
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    They are no better with their Private Schools down here, charge a shit lode to go their, yet expect government hand outs too, and if the public schools get more government assistance, Catholic Schools go ballistic, and this is a protistant Country too.

    Sorry but my taxers should be going to support public schools, and not Private Catholic ones, and in SA it's been declared children of single or divorced parents are not welcome at catholic Schools, Children with two catholic parents will get priority, and they demand tax payers money; give me a break.
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    phemt saidDo Catholics have so little belief in their own charities that they need gov't funding for those efforts? Are Catholics so unwilling to reach into their own pockets but instead reach into tax payer pockets to fund the "good works" they are supposively called by their faith to do?
    Recent events in Washington DC show how much gov't support Catholic Charities recieve from tax payers. Last year Catholic Charities DC received $16 million of its $23 million budget through gov't contracts. If someone gives me a $1 to give to homeless guy - was it really my charity or the person's who gave the dollar to me in the first place? The Catholic church is so sad on so many fronts.


    The Roman Catholic Church is quite odd because they claim to follow Christ, but don't accept a lot of his Word. I just don't get it.
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    Dec 26, 2009 12:13 AM GMT
    We have a big Catholic high school here in Appleton and although I don't agree with their religious beliefs, they have a reputation in the community of producing some fine young men and women graduates, many of whom go on to secular colleges or entering the work force in the community well equipped with a great education..
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    Dec 26, 2009 12:17 AM GMT
    phemt saidDo Catholics have so little belief in their own charities that they need gov't funding for those efforts? Are Catholics so unwilling to reach into their own pockets but instead reach into tax payer pockets to fund the "good works" they are supposively called by their faith to do?
    Recent events in Washington DC show how much gov't support Catholic Charities recieve from tax payers. Last year Catholic Charities DC received $16 million of its $23 million budget through gov't contracts. If someone gives me a $1 to give to homeless guy - was it really my charity or the person's who gave the dollar to me in the first place? The Catholic church is so sad on so many fronts.


    I have no problem with the government helping fund reigious chairities as long as that funding is going to charity and not to teach their religious beliefs.
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    Dec 26, 2009 12:25 AM GMT
    G_Force saidWe have a big Catholic high school here in Appleton and although I don't agree with their religious beliefs, they have a reputation in the community of producing some fine young men and women graduates, many of whom go on to secular colleges or entering the work force in the community well equipped with a great education..


    Catholic schools are often fine places of learning. I am not doubting that. I just don't want any tax payer funding for private schools.
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    Dec 26, 2009 12:35 AM GMT
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    phemt saidDo Catholics have so little belief in their own charities that they need gov't funding for those efforts? Are Catholics so unwilling to reach into their own pockets but instead reach into tax payer pockets to fund the "good works" they are supposively called by their faith to do?
    Recent events in Washington DC show how much gov't support Catholic Charities recieve from tax payers. Last year Catholic Charities DC received $16 million of its $23 million budget through gov't contracts. If someone gives me a $1 to give to homeless guy - was it really my charity or the person's who gave the dollar to me in the first place? The Catholic church is so sad on so many fronts.


    I have no problem with the government helping fund reigious chairities as long as that funding is going to charity and not to teach their religious beliefs.


    I would prefer tax payer's money going towards gov't operated agencies and social services. Giving gov't money to religious groups also ties relgious groups to politics.
    Current laws, however, allows Gov't funding of religious chairities provided there is no indoctrination or discrimination. I just find it sad that religious people are so uncalled to support their own charities that they need gov't funding to assist them. Very sad.
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    phemt saidDo Catholics have so little belief in their own charities that they need gov't funding for those efforts? Are Catholics so unwilling to reach into their own pockets but instead reach into tax payer pockets to fund the "good works" they are supposively called by their faith to do?
    Recent events in Washington DC show how much gov't support Catholic Charities recieve from tax payers. Last year Catholic Charities DC received $16 million of its $23 million budget through gov't contracts. If someone gives me a $1 to give to homeless guy - was it really my charity or the person's who gave the dollar to me in the first place? The Catholic church is so sad on so many fronts.


    I have no problem with the government helping fund reigious chairities as long as that funding is going to charity and not to teach their religious beliefs.


    I would prefer tax payer's money going towards gov't operated agencies and social services. Giving gov't money to religious groups also ties relgious groups to politics.
    Current laws, however, allows Gov't funding of religious chairities provided there is no indoctrination or discrimination. I just find it sad that religious people are so uncalled to support their own charities that they need gov't funding to assist them. Very sad.


    Materialism has pretty much taken over the world, including the church. We can't even give our pastor's a livable salary because people want so many material things in their lives that there isn't anything left.
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    Dec 30, 2009 1:15 PM GMT
    Taking your premise further, The Salvation Army and other such organizations should be funded strictly by their members, as well as charitable contributions from others. But they also can apply for and receive government funding.

    As a Catholic, our diocese does collect specifically for Catholic Charities and other organizations as part of the Parish Share Program.

    I do see your point about government funding of faith-based organizations. I have the same premise about creating foundations for city parks and schools, which are tax payer funded but still ask for additional funding from outsiders.
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    PerfesserBB saidTaking your premise further, The Salvation Army and other such organizations should be funded strictly by their members, as well as charitable contributions from others. But they also can apply for and receive government funding.

    As a Catholic, our diocese does collect specifically for Catholic Charities and other organizations as part of the Parish Share Program.

    I do see your point about government funding of faith-based organizations. I have the same premise about creating foundations for city parks and schools, which are tax payer funded but still ask for additional funding from outsiders.


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    I guess no one can have a civil discussion online anymore. I learned this lesson 30 years ago...only to re-learn it again.

    So long, and thanks for all the fish!
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    I guess no one can have a civil discussion online anymore. I learned this lesson 30 years ago...only to re-learn it again.

    So long, and thanks for all the fish!


    And thank you for your support of the anti-gay pressing aganda Catholic Church!

    Unfortunately the Catholic Church is not Mostly Harmless when it comes to gay issues.
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    phemt saidDo Catholics have so little belief in their own charities that they need gov't funding for those efforts? Are Catholics so unwilling to reach into their own pockets but instead reach into tax payer pockets to fund the "good works" they are supposively called by their faith to do?
    Recent events in Washington DC show how much gov't support Catholic Charities recieve from tax payers. Last year Catholic Charities DC received $16 million of its $23 million budget through gov't contracts. If someone gives me a $1 to give to homeless guy - was it really my charity or the person's who gave the dollar to me in the first place? The Catholic church is so sad on so many fronts.


    The Roman Catholic Church is quite odd because they claim to follow Christ, but don't accept a lot of his Word. I just don't get it.


    If you would like to “get" how much Catholic doctrine is based on the word of Jesus and the Bible, purchase a copy of the Baltimore Catechism. For every Catholic doctrine, there is a notated source at the end of each lesson showing where the doctrine is supported by scripture.

    The Catholic Church in America is in an extreme shortage of funds, with dwindling attendance and donations due to the economy. The charities are stretched with many more people needing assistance due to the economy. The Catholic Charities will help anyone they can. ANY person.

    I am wary of the Catholic Church receiving taxpayer money. As an American I distrust mingling church and government. Will there be influence of the church in government affairs? But these institutions WILL fail the community without support. Weigh the benefits to the loss.

    The Catholic Charities are based on the precepts laid down in the beatitudes, and the virtues of faith, hope and charity. With assistance to those in need, they foster faith in humanity so people have hope to continue through difficult times. Charity for any who need it.

    Here is the text on charity, from the Catechism, based on scripture, from the Vatican website: (Thank you for your patience if you choose to read it.)

    Charity

    1822 Charity is the theological virtue by which we love God above all things for his own sake, and our neighbor as ourselves for the love of God.

    1823 Jesus makes charity the new commandment.96 By loving his own "to the end,"97 he makes manifest the Father's love which he receives. By loving one another, the disciples imitate the love of Jesus which they themselves receive. Whence Jesus says: "As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you; abide in my love." And again: "This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you."98

    1824 Fruit of the Spirit and fullness of the Law, charity keeps the commandments of God and his Christ: "Abide in my love. If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love."99

    1825 Christ died out of love for us, while we were still "enemies."100 The Lord asks us to love as he does, even our enemies, to make ourselves the neighbor of those farthest away, and to love children and the poor as Christ himself.101

    The Apostle Paul has given an incomparable depiction of charity: "charity is patient and kind, charity is not jealous or boastful; it is not arrogant or rude. Charity does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrong, but rejoices in the right. Charity bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things."102
    1826 "If I . . . have not charity," says the Apostle, "I am nothing." Whatever my privilege, service, or even virtue, "if I . . . have not charity, I gain nothing."103 Charity is superior to all the virtues. It is the first of the theological virtues: "So faith, hope, charity abide, these three. But the greatest of these is charity."104

    1827 The practice of all the virtues is animated and inspired by charity, which "binds everything together in perfect harmony";105 it is the form of the virtues; it articulates and orders them among themselves; it is the source and the goal of their Christian practice. Charity upholds and purifies our human ability to love, and raises it to the supernatural perfection of divine love.

    1828 The practice of the moral life animated by charity gives to the Christian the spiritual freedom of the children of God. He no longer stands before God as a slave, in servile fear, or as a mercenary looking for wages, but as a son responding to the love of him who "first loved us":106

    If we turn away from evil out of fear of punishment, we are in the position of slaves. If we pursue the enticement of wages, . . . we resemble mercenaries. Finally if we obey for the sake of the good itself and out of love for him who commands . . . we are in the position of children.107
    1829 The fruits of charity are joy, peace, and mercy; charity demands beneficence and fraternal correction; it is benevolence; it fosters reciprocity and remains disinterested and generous; it is friendship and communion: Love is itself the fulfillment of all our works. There is the goal; that is why we run: we run toward it, and once we reach it, in it we shall find rest.108


    Humanity is sad. All of us. But we strive in hope to improve our condition through faith and charity.
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    Dec 30, 2009 8:45 PM GMT
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    phemt saidDo Catholics have so little belief in their own charities that they need gov't funding for those efforts? Are Catholics so unwilling to reach into their own pockets but instead reach into tax payer pockets to fund the "good works" they are supposively called by their faith to do?
    Recent events in Washington DC show how much gov't support Catholic Charities recieve from tax payers. Last year Catholic Charities DC received $16 million of its $23 million budget through gov't contracts. If someone gives me a $1 to give to homeless guy - was it really my charity or the person's who gave the dollar to me in the first place? The Catholic church is so sad on so many fronts.


    The Roman Catholic Church is quite odd because they claim to follow Christ, but don't accept a lot of his Word. I just don't get it.


    If you would like to “get" how much Catholic doctrine is based on the word of Jesus and the Bible, purchase a copy of the Baltimore Catechism. For every Catholic doctrine, there is a notated source at the end of each lesson showing where the doctrine is supported by scripture.

    The Catholic Church in America is in an extreme shortage of funds, with dwindling attendance and donations due to the economy. The charities are stretched with many more people needing assistance due to the economy. The Catholic Charities will help anyone they can. ANY person.

    I am wary of the Catholic Church receiving taxpayer money. As an American I distrust mingling church and government. Will there be influence of the church in government affairs? But these institutions WILL fail the community without support. Weigh the benefits to the loss.

    The Catholic Charities are based on the precepts laid down in the beatitudes, and the virtues of faith, hope and charity. With assistance to those in need, they foster faith in humanity so people have hope to continue through difficult times. Charity for any who need it.

    Here is the text on charity, from the Catechism, based on scripture, from the Vatican website: (Thank you for your patience if you choose to read it.)

    Charity

    1822 Charity is the theological virtue by which we love God above all things for his own sake, and our neighbor as ourselves for the love of God.

    1823 Jesus makes charity the new commandment.96 By loving his own "to the end,"97 he makes manifest the Father's love which he receives. By loving one another, the disciples imitate the love of Jesus which they themselves receive. Whence Jesus says: "As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you; abide in my love." And again: "This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you."98

    1824 Fruit of the Spirit and fullness of the Law, charity keeps the commandments of God and his Christ: "Abide in my love. If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love."99

    1825 Christ died out of love for us, while we were still "enemies."100 The Lord asks us to love as he does, even our enemies, to make ourselves the neighbor of those farthest away, and to love children and the poor as Christ himself.101

    The Apostle Paul has given an incomparable depiction of charity: "charity is patient and kind, charity is not jealous or boastful; it is not arrogant or rude. Charity does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrong, but rejoices in the right. Charity bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things."102
    1826 "If I . . . have not charity," says the Apostle, "I am nothing." Whatever my privilege, service, or even virtue, "if I . . . have not charity, I gain nothing."103 Charity is superior to all the virtues. It is the first of the theological virtues: "So faith, hope, charity abide, these three. But the greatest of these is charity."104

    1827 The practice of all the virtues is animated and inspired by charity, which "binds everything together in perfect harmony";105 it is the form of the virtues; it articulates and orders them among themselves; it is the source and the goal of their Christian practice. Charity upholds and purifies our human ability to love, and raises it to the supernatural perfection of divine love.

    1828 The practice of the moral life animated by charity gives to the Christian the spiritual freedom of the children of God. He no longer stands before God as a slave, in servile fear, or as a mercenary looking for wages, but as a son responding to the love of him who "first loved us":106

    If we turn away from evil out of fear of punishment, we are in the position of slaves. If we pursue the enticement of wages, . . . we resemble mercenaries. Finally if we obey for the sake of the good itself and out of love for him who commands . . . we are in the position of children.107
    1829 The fruits of charity are joy, peace, and mercy; charity demands beneficence and fraternal correction; it is benevolence; it fosters reciprocity and remains disinterested and generous; it is friendship and communion: Love is itself the fulfillment of all our works. There is the goal; that is why we run: we run toward it, and once we reach it, in it we shall find rest.108


    Humanity is sad. All of us. But we strive in hope to improve our condition through faith and charity.


    Get fucking real! The Catholic Charities in DC is threatening to pull out of contracted services because they don't want to honor anti-discrimation laws pasted by DC. These laws have to be followed by anyone receiving tax dollar funding. Catholic Charities of DC show it cares more about their intolerant anti-gay views/aganda than they do about helping the needy. Get your head out of your ass - you damn GAY UNCLE TOM!!!!!
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    Dec 30, 2009 8:49 PM GMT
    Damn, I was going to post something about a really good charity, which has nothing to do with the Catholic Church...but after reading the posts it just seems like a few bitchy queens arguing back and forth.

    I'd rather see them duke it out barefisted...
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    tommysguns2000 saidDamn, I was going to post something about a really good charity, which has nothing to do with the Catholic Church...but after reading the posts it just seems like a few bitchy queens arguing back and forth.

    I'd rather see them duke it out barefisted...


    Always good for people to know of good Charities - ones not working against gay issues. A friend of mine was once going to donate some items to the salvation army, but after I informed him of the often anti-gay stance of the salvation army (and the attempted back door deals with the Bush Administration) he donated his stuff to a more gay friendly charity.
    I am sorry that you see defending gay rights and opposing those who work against us as being a "bitchy queen".
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    Dec 31, 2009 4:02 AM GMT
    Catholic charity = Catholic indoctrination. I fail to see why US taxpayers should underwrite it. There are other ways to give to the needy without funding Catholic recruiting, and most pertinent to me, their anti-gay political involvement.

    Let Catholics fund whatever charities they wish with their own money, but leave the rest of us out of it.
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    Dec 31, 2009 4:46 PM GMT
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    tommysguns2000 saidDamn, I was going to post something about a really good charity, which has nothing to do with the Catholic Church...but after reading the posts it just seems like a few bitchy queens arguing back and forth.

    I'd rather see them duke it out barefisted...


    Always good for people to know of good Charities - ones not working against gay issues. A friend of mine was once going to donate some items to the salvation army, but after I informed him of the often anti-gay stance of the salvation army (and the attempted back door deals with the Bush Administration) he donated his stuff to a more gay friendly charity.
    I am sorry that you see defending gay rights and opposing those who work against us as being a "bitchy queen".


    I didn't say people who defend gay rights are bitchy queens. I said you and gforce are bitchy queens...who should either fuck and get it over with or go head to head...either way, we could all be spared both of your 20 paragraph diatribes defending positions we all know you hold.

    perhaps I was unclear

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    Dec 31, 2009 5:03 PM GMT
    tommysguns2000 said.perhaps I was unclear
    I think you made that pretty clear! LOL Thank you, I could NOT have said it better.

    My concern with the Catholic Church and their charities is the enormous amount of money spent on their multitude (more than the loaves and fishes together I'm guessing) of lawsuits with wrong doing by their priests. It's my understanding that all the money donated goes to the dioceses and then it's divided depending on need. Not sure who ensures that the $20 given to feed people at St Anthony's dining hall actually goes there, especially if it's a good month for St Anthony's.
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    Dec 31, 2009 7:18 PM GMT
    The Catholic Church administers the charity for the municipal or county government. For example, their food pantry get money and food from donations to the church as well as the county. The county has x number of dollars to give to such services and it doesn't matter if it is the RCC or a community center or any other organization.

    As an example from my city. A local community center gives about 60% of the funds needed to run a senior meal program. I have no doubt they are capable of raising that amount, but they certainly can't raise the additional funds to completely run the program at that level. The program does more for more people when there is a partnership between public and private sectors. And I don't see why that should stop under current budgetary models. Further, by having this partnership private organizations have to abide by government standards. Like not turning away gay people.
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    Dec 31, 2009 8:30 PM GMT
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    tommysguns2000 saidDamn, I was going to post something about a really good charity, which has nothing to do with the Catholic Church...but after reading the posts it just seems like a few bitchy queens arguing back and forth.

    I'd rather see them duke it out barefisted...


    Always good for people to know of good Charities - ones not working against gay issues. A friend of mine was once going to donate some items to the salvation army, but after I informed him of the often anti-gay stance of the salvation army (and the attempted back door deals with the Bush Administration) he donated his stuff to a more gay friendly charity.
    I am sorry that you see defending gay rights and opposing those who work against us as being a "bitchy queen".


    I didn't say people who defend gay rights are bitchy queens. I said you and gforce are bitchy queens...who should either fuck and get it over with or go head to head...either way, we could all be spared both of your 20 paragraph diatribes defending positions we all know you hold.

    perhaps I was unclear



    May I suggest the Ignore feature if you are so bortherd by it. No one is forcing you to read my, g_force, or anyone else's posts you don't wish to read. I am sure someone could talk you through using the ignore function if you are unable to figure it out for yourself.
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    Dec 31, 2009 8:58 PM GMT
    I know of someone who just got out of college and works as a social worker for a company which is funded and run by Catholic Charities. Though she doesn't work for Catholic Charities directly, her paycheck comes from them.

    This person cannot get birth control pills because CC refuses to pay for them. She likes her job but CC runs one of the only Social Services campany in her area--she'd have to move to get better health insurence. So she does not have sex with her bf... just as a precaution--which is EXACTLY what the Catholic Church wants lol.

    My aunt is in the same boat. She is a teacher for the blind. The only accredited agencies for visually impaired teachers is run by Catholic Charities.

    They monitor her e-mails and delete any incoming or outgoing e-mail with profane or crude language and content. My aunt, who is "technologically challenge" had to set up another e-mail so her e-mails would go through to her indox.

    As a teacher for the blind in southern Maine, my aunt has no choice in the matter; Catholic Charities is the only agency she can work for in her area.
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    conscienti1984 saidI know of someone who just got out of college and works as a social worker for a company which is funded and run by Catholic Charities. Though she doesn't work for Catholic Charities directly, her paycheck comes from them.

    This person cannot get birth control pills because CC refuses to pay for them. She likes her job but CC runs one of the only Social Services campany in her area--she'd have to move to get better health insurence. So she does not have sex with her bf... just as a precaution--which is EXACTLY what the Catholic Church wants lol.

    My aunt is in the same boat. She is a teacher for the blind. The only accredited agencies for visually impaired teachers is run by Catholic Charities.

    They monitor her e-mails and delete any incoming or outgoing e-mail with profane or crude language and content. My aunt, who is "technologically challenge" had to set up another e-mail so her e-mails would go through to her indox.

    As a teacher for the blind in southern Maine, my aunt has no choice in the matter; Catholic Charities is the only agency she can work for in her area.


    Prime question why tax-payer money should be going towards secular agencies and not religious Charities. If a secular workplace was pulling that shit they would be hold accountable and sued.
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    PerfesserBB saidTaking your premise further, The Salvation Army and other such organizations should be funded strictly by their members, as well as charitable contributions from others. But they also can apply for and receive government funding.

    As a Catholic, our diocese does collect specifically for Catholic Charities and other organizations as part of the Parish Share Program.

    I do see your point about government funding of faith-based organizations. I have the same premise about creating foundations for city parks and schools, which are tax payer funded but still ask for additional funding from outsiders.


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    I can't for the life of me understand why any rational person would want to stay in the Catholic Church or the Mormon Church with their harsh and repressive measures against gays. None of us would even think of joining the evangelical/fundamentalist churches, so why remain in the Catholic and Mormon Churches? Their anti-gay agendas are obvious for all to see, yet some gays come out in support of them. When you belong to those churches, you have to accept all their dogmas or you're unwelcome. You can't be gay and be Catholic or Mormon; you can't have it both ways.