Happiness is...Being Old, Male and Republican

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    Dec 18, 2009 3:38 PM GMT
    http://www.livescience.com/culture/090515-happiness-age.html

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    Happiness Is ... Being Old, Male and Republican
    By Robert Roy Britt, Editorial Director

    posted: 15 May 2009 08:26 pm ET

    Americans grow happier as they age, surveys find. And a new Pew Research Center survey shows the tendency is holding up as the economy tanks.

    Happiness is a complex thing. Past studies have found that happiness is partly inherited, that Republicans are happier than Democrats, and that old men tend to be happier than old women.

    And even before the economy got nasty, seniors were found to be generally happier than Baby Boomers. Some of that owes to the American Dream being lived by past generations, while Boomers work two jobs and watch the dream wither.

    In times like this, it's clear how age can have its advantages. While not all seniors are weathering the recession well, for many the impact is much less severe than it is for younger people.

    Why? Many people 65 and older retired and downsized their lifestyles before the economy imploded, according to Pew analysts. Most aren't raising kids and many are not so worried about being laid off. Loss of income can be, of course, a source of stress and displeasure. (While money doesn't buy happiness, a study in February showed cash can help, especially when people use it to do stuff instead of buy things.)

    If you're thinking that Republicans are happy just because they perhaps make more money, that does not seem to be the case. The study that found Republicans to be happier than Democrats also showed that it held true even after adjusting for income.

    It's those age 50-64 who've "seen their nest eggs shrink the most and their anxieties about retirement swell the most," the Pew survey found. It also finds that younger adults (ages 18-49) "have taken the worst lumps in the job market but remain relatively upbeat about their financial future."

    Not everyone in any category is blissful, of course. Other research has shown that happiness in old age depends largely on attitude factors such as optimism and coping strategies. Add financial planning to the list.

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    Dec 20, 2009 11:41 AM GMT
    Why do I keep imagining stepford housewives smiling big gorgeous fake smiles and saying

    'Yes, we're happy. My husband and I never fuck but I've got an affair and so does he probably but we pretend like we don't know about it, and the kids are all growing up to be really effective bullies in school, and we all go to church every Sunday though I have to drag everyone there and I'm really only there for the gossip about that scandalous mexican family who recently moved in in the old Jones place and would you like to come by on thanksgiving some time? Good gosh golly everything is perfect... though I have to keep reminding the kids that frowning is a sin and I have to slap them when I catch them being human.'

    *big smile*
  • GQjock

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    Dec 20, 2009 12:00 PM GMT
    Nah ....

    I'll still rather be old Gay and Bitchy, Thank You icon_wink.gif
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    Dec 20, 2009 12:38 PM GMT
    Maybe thats why democrats worry about republicans more than republicans worry about democrats. Republicans are contented, and all Democrats see is the grass is greener on the other side, and they are not allowed to walk on the law, so they won't to destroy it......
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    Dec 20, 2009 12:57 PM GMT
    It should be pointed out that the increased happiness of older persons includes an element of self-selection: unhappy or dissatisfied persons don't live as long as happy and satisfied persons.
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    Dec 20, 2009 1:09 PM GMT
    NickoftheNorth saidIt should be pointed out that the increased happiness of older persons includes an element of self-selection: unhappy or dissatisfied persons don't live as long as happy and satisfied persons.


    I'm not so sure about that, as with my work I get to meet a lot of unhappy old people, but thats not that what you said,, is not without some truth.
  • GQjock

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    Dec 20, 2009 1:24 PM GMT
    Wow ....
    The choice is be a happy republican old geezer
    or a dead liberal?

    If that's the multiple choice test I'll be the dead guy
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    Dec 20, 2009 3:53 PM GMT
    Folks over 65 have the security of Medicare.

    Those between 50 and 64 are burdened most with the anxiety that a health crisis may jeopardize their retirement plans.

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    Dec 20, 2009 4:00 PM GMT
    NickoftheNorth saidIt should be pointed out that the increased happiness of older persons includes an element of self-selection: unhappy or dissatisfied persons don't live as long as happy and satisfied persons.


    Is it this is what is behind the supposed short life span of gays then? This must be it. Never seem to be happy. And always seem to be dissatisfied
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    Dec 20, 2009 4:05 PM GMT
    Old people are supposed to be happy? Tell that to the miserable old men that live in my neighborhood. They'd bitch if you gave them a million dollars tax free because: (a)some of the bills were wrinkled, (b)the briefcase was all wrong and (c)now they have to go to the bank to do something about it and it MAY make them late for dinner at 4:30.

    If I thought turning into THAT is what I have to look forward to, I am going to start eating a bacon double cheeseburger a day for lunch and chasing it with half a pack of cigarettes for dessert to try to trigger the "big one" before I hit 60.
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    Dec 20, 2009 4:22 PM GMT
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    ChicagoBriGuy saidOld people are supposed to be happy? Tell that to the miserable old men that live in my neighborhood. They'd bitch if you gave them a million dollars tax free because: (a)some of the bills were wrinkled, (b)the briefcase was all wrong and (c)now they have to go to the bank to do something about it and it MAY make them late for dinner at 4:30.

    If I thought turning into THAT is what I have to look forward to, I am going to start eating a bacon double cheeseburger a day for lunch and chasing it with half a pack of cigarettes for dessert to try to trigger the "big one" before I hit 60.

    Oh, get offa my lawn.


    See? Now if I could be as good as you JP, I'd look forward to it! I just can't pull it off though... icon_biggrin.gif
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    Dec 20, 2009 4:22 PM GMT
    Something tells me this poll is the victim of sample bias.
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    Dec 20, 2009 4:24 PM GMT
    Sedative saidWhy do I keep imagining stepford housewives smiling big gorgeous fake smiles and saying

    'Yes, we're happy. My husband and I never fuck but I've got an affair and so does he probably but we pretend like we don't know about it, and the kids are all growing up to be really effective bullies in school, and we all go to church every Sunday though I have to drag everyone there and I'm really only there for the gossip about that scandalous mexican family who recently moved in in the old Jones place and would you like to come by on thanksgiving some time? Good gosh golly everything is perfect... though I have to keep reminding the kids that frowning is a sin and I have to slap them when I catch them being human.'

    *big smile*

    I can see that too. It reminds me of my evangelical days, when church leaders would say, "Let them see Jesus in you" (or something like that). Meaning, when trying to convert the unsaved, you need to put on a big happy face and insist that your life is so happy, so blessed, prosperous, and peaceful, and before you found Jesus it was entirely the opposite. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    NickoftheNorth saidIt should be pointed out that the increased happiness of older persons includes an element of self-selection: unhappy or dissatisfied persons don't live as long as happy and satisfied persons.


    I'm not so sure about that, as with my work I get to meet a lot of unhappy old people, but thats not that what you said,, is not without some truth.


    Nursing homes have allot of unhappy folks, very depressing. I would like to know if they were part of the survey? I could see elderly who live in communities, free to travel and live their lives. I think of the McDonald's crowd who meet for breakfast. Seem happy outwardly. Doing charity in a small town during Thanksgiving and Christmas I discovered that most of them live alone most of the time AFTER they leave McDonalds and their happy meal breakfast. Tough to survey happiness. How did they define "happiness" as their basis for development of the questions and data collection and analysis? Good topic G_Force.
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    Nursing homes have allot of unhappy folks, very depressing. I would like to know if they were part of the survey? I could see elderly who live in communities, free to travel and live their lives. I think of the McDonald's crowd who meet for breakfast. Seem happy outwardly. Doing charity in a small town during Thanksgiving and Christmas I discovered that most of them live alone most of the time AFTER they leave McDonalds and their happy meal breakfast. Tough to survey happiness. How did they define "happiness" as their basis for development of the questions and data collection and analysis? Good topic G_Force.


    Yeah, there's something suspicious about quantifying something like happiness.

    I bet it was a tick box.

    Are you happy? (Check appropriate box)
    [ ] Yes
    [ ] No

    And lord, I know a LOT of people who would say they are, when you know they aren't (and guess what, they're mostly old conservative people). Either to escape the reality that they are leading the most boring existence ever, the most pathetic existence ever, or a misguided sense at not wanting to be 'scandalous' like folks who do actually show the emotions that they really are feeling.
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    Dec 20, 2009 7:51 PM GMT
    AskNTell saidFolks over 65 have the security of Medicare.

    Those between 50 and 64 are burdened most with the anxiety that a health crisis may jeopardize their retirement plans.



    But one has to be "sick" to use the Medicare. That's no fun either.

    I'm 66 and have been on Medicare for a year now. Yes, I rested easier when I was still working but now I'm retired. now I have to get supplemental insurance to cover what Medicare doesn't and I lose some of my Social Security benefit to cover the Medicare too. On top of that I'm still paying for my son's health insurance. So about $600/month.

    And I think Republicans aren't so much happier as more content. Afterall they were raised to think that they inherited the earth, or at least the United States. Like royalty they have a safety net built into their thinking.

    All Republicans aren't rich either. These are the most pathetic b/c they continue to vote not in their own self interest. And so do some older Democrats. Just look at the healty care debate.

    Remember Republicans try to instill FEAR, their weapon of choice.

    Hope I didn't ramble too much.
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    Dec 20, 2009 8:00 PM GMT
    I tend to be a happy young social-capitalist.
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    Dec 20, 2009 8:21 PM GMT
    Sedative said

    Yeah, there's something suspicious about quantifying something like happiness.

    I bet it was a tick box.

    Are you happy? (Check appropriate box)
    [ ] Yes
    [ ] No

    And lord, I know a LOT of people who would say they are, when you know they aren't (and guess what, they're mostly old conservative people). Either to escape the reality that they are leading the most boring existence ever, the most pathetic existence ever, or a misguided sense at not wanting to be 'scandalous' like folks who do actually show the emotions that they really are feeling.


    Hey, if the King of Bhutan can do it, so can we. Amurika!
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    Dec 20, 2009 9:42 PM GMT
    jimbobthedevil saidSomething tells me this poll is the victim of sample bias.


    You need only look at the OP. Nothing he posts has ever been or will ever be objective.
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    Dec 20, 2009 9:44 PM GMT
    SOUTHBEACH1500 said:

    "I could match you quote for quote if you choose to engage. You put up all your Republican fearmongering and I'll do the same for Democrats."

    The Republicans said:
    --Iraq has weapons of mass destruction ready to destroy the U.S.
    --The Matthew Shepard murder was a hoax.
    --The entire Communist witch hunt of the 1950's.
    --If we elect a Catholic (Kennedy), the Pope will be running the U.S.
    --There will be death panels to decide if grandma gets to live or die.
    --Barack Obama was born in Kenya
    --Barack Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate is a fake.
    --Barack Obama is a Muslim.
    --Barack Obama entertained known terrorists right in his own living room.
    --Barack Obama's association with William Ayres
    --Barack Obams's association with Rev. Jeremiah Wright
    --Barack Obama smoked crack while getting a blow job from a man, in a taxi cab.
    --If you vote for the Democrats, we will be attacked again (Dick Cheney).
    --We do not torture.
    --The flooded out citizens of New Orleans "never had it so good" (Barbara Bush)
    --I am not a crook. (Nixon)
    --Gay marriage makes a mockery of straight marriage.
    --If you allow gays to marry, you'll have to allow bestiality, pedophilia, etc.
    --The bible says...
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    Dec 20, 2009 10:08 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidSOUTHBEACH1500 said:

    "I could match you quote for quote if you choose to engage. You put up all your Republican fearmongering and I'll do the same for Democrats."

    The Republicans said:
    --Iraq has weapons of mass destruction ready to destroy the U.S.
    --The Matthew Shepard murder was a hoax.
    --The entire Communist witch hunt of the 1950's.
    --If we elect a Catholic (Kennedy), the Pope will be running the U.S.
    --There will be death panels to decide if grandma gets to live or die.
    --Barack Obama was born in Kenya
    --Barack Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate is a fake.
    --Barack Obama is a Muslim.
    --Barack Obama entertained known terrorists right in his own living room.
    --Barack Obama's association with William Ayres
    --Barack Obams's association with Rev. Jeremiah Wright
    --Barack Obama smoked crack while getting a blow job from a man, in a taxi cab.
    --If you vote for the Democrats, we will be attacked again (Dick Cheney).
    --We do not torture.
    --The flooded out citizens of New Orleans "never had it so good" (Barbara Bush)
    --I am not a crook. (Nixon)
    --Gay marriage makes a mockery of straight marriage.
    --If you allow gays to marry, you'll have to allow bestiality, pedophilia, etc.
    --The bible says...


    I have read quite a few of Southbeach's post, and quite a few have seemed a bit out there, and the WORST part about his post is that he paints ALL republicans in such a negative light. I have several gay friends who are republicans, that while I may wonder about some of thier beliefs, are not by any means, the way southbeach portrays himself. Personally, I claim independent, as I can't totally align with democratics or republicans. Then again, I have been told I tend to be in my own little political world...Anyway, to get back on task.
    -I do wonder about the credibility of this survey about being old and republican. I don't doubt some parts in regards to healthcare as if you have medicaid, you are more than likey covered for any illness you can dream up (at least I haven't seen them deny many claims, and I work in the Social Work field) and if you have healthcare covered and retirement funds are looking good, what is there to really make you unhappy? I will somewhat co-sign on that part. I do question the republican part, and what that really has to do with happiness. Maybe its the ideals they hold? Truthfully, some aged, more modest ways of thinking are coming full circle again (living within one's means, family structure) but in the same sense, I know democrats that are embracing some of these ideals as well. I would say that would depend more on the individual and less so on the poltical agenda. Are democrats more likely to be unhappy in all stages of life then? I think I may have just confused myself.....
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    Dec 20, 2009 10:37 PM GMT
    I love listening to Repulicans and Democrats argue. I actually don't believe any of you, but I'm the Swing Voter (That Independent Moderate) that you ALL have to cater to. Because We Swing Voters, Not We The People that can't seem to work things out, are the ones that actually decide.

    Even in Congress, the votes they sway.... swing.. it's all the same.
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    Dec 20, 2009 10:43 PM GMT
    Uh, I work in the service industry. God everyone needs to have one in their life to realize how nasty people can be.

    Republicans are the angriest people I have met. That includes my father, a staunch Republican.

    And he is also an old male. So that theory flies out of the window. Old people can range from being very kind to very brash. There are always exceptions. Usually older females are kind to me. Older males are very direct and don't like to make conversation.

    My two cents..
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    Dec 20, 2009 11:28 PM GMT
    Perhaps the problem here is the definition of happiness.

    If it's a smug, selfish and blind belief that you are happy because you are better than other people, because you have all the answers while no one else does, that you will succeed in elbowing everyone else out of your way, and grabbing all the marbles at the expense of others, then Republicans would of course be happier.

    As an old, male, Democratic gay, I'm extremely happy because of my daily joy at:

    - having a wonderful, loving partner
    - living in a mostly gay community where I experience no hatred towards me, only love
    - helping others through our charitable interests
    - knowing my failings, but believing I can improve myself
    - having fantastic gay friends, whose company always makes me smile
    - the incomparable delight at simply being gay, of seeing the world from the most special perspective possible, that makes every second of my life a pleasure, even in the midst of the difficult times that come to all of us

    I'm sure most of history's bad guys were happy in their own minds. If that's happiness, then they can keep it. We gays would know this line from the move The Wizard of Oz better than most, where the Wizard says to the Tin Man:

    "And remember, my sentimental friend, that a heart is not judged by how much you love, but by how much you are loved by others."

    I would paraphrase that to say: Happiness is not judged by how happy you are yourself, but by how much happiness you bring to others.
  • Webster666

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    Dec 21, 2009 4:17 AM GMT
    SOUTHBEACH said: "Thanks. Now I will prove that it is being used by BOTH parties"
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    Pfffffffft !

    You have proved nothing except that your list of partisan political rhetoric is absolutely harmless.
    And, it certainly pales in comparison to the Republicans' incessant campaign of fear and lies, and you know it.


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