Super morbidly obese people

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    Jan 02, 2008 10:03 PM GMT
    I'm watching a programme on TV about people who weigh more than 400 lbs. How do they get so big that they can't get out of bed? Truly shocking. And, for those who have gastric band surgery, who pays for their medical treatment? The insurance company?
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    Jan 02, 2008 10:18 PM GMT
    I have no idea how they get that big.

    Doesn't your national medical system pay for that surgery?
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    Jan 02, 2008 11:21 PM GMT
    I was at Starbucks yesterday and at the table next to me were two really, really, really enormous men. I'm talking, you-can't-see-the-chair enormous.

    They spent the entire 30 minutes they were there complaining about their knees, how their employers expected them to remain on their feet too long, how uncomfortable the furniture in the doctor's office is, how nobody makes shoes with good arch support any more...on and on and on.

    Not ONCE did either of them allude to their causative condition. They didn't mention the words "overweight" or "obese." It was the strangest thing I've ever listened to -- like two amputees complaining about the baggy sleeves on their shirts.
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    Jan 02, 2008 11:32 PM GMT
    like two amputees complaining about the baggy sleeves on their shirts

    obscenewish...you are sooooo bad! LOL...even got me to laugh on that one.

    I recall when my daughter was 2 we were grabbing a burger (yeah taught her bad habits) and an obese lady sat in the next booth and when she went down, we went up..literally, the whole booth moved up..they were connected...my daughter says very loudly..."wow, that lady is fat!" Needless to say I was very embarrassed and we left quickly for a dad/daughter chat... I'm hoping the lady took it to heart and returned the frys!
  • MikemikeMike

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    Jan 02, 2008 11:52 PM GMT
    I saw that Red- It was shocking they removed a 180 pound tumor off the guys leg. That outweighs me!!
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    Jan 02, 2008 11:57 PM GMT
    Wow,you weigh less than a tumor. That's pathetic.
  • Timbales

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    Jan 03, 2008 12:34 AM GMT
    I think it's really a mental illness that isn't respected by culture. I think it's possible for a person to become as addicted to food as much as any drug.
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    Jan 03, 2008 12:39 AM GMT
    There was a guy on Long Island many years ago named Walter Hudson. He weighed over 1000 lb, and came to public attention when he got stuck in the doorway of his bedroom and had to be sawed out by firemen. National media coverage followed, and soon after Dick Gregory, the former comic turned diet maven, came to help him lose weight.

    Gregory dieted him down to about 650, and then Hudson's heart gave out and he died. I understand that is not uncommon; the heart apparently becomes used to the weight, but the stress of dieting becomes too much. And when that happens, you're truly fucked, because if you can't lose the weight without courting death, you're really doomed.
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    Jan 03, 2008 12:41 AM GMT
    Have some kindness. People are in the state they because of many reasons. They might have the run of bad lucks their whole life and food is their only comforter. Personality also affect your ability to "will" our way to health. Lacking that will, we won't hit the gym all the time. If we are in their shoes, experience and educated exactly the same, I wonder can we do any better then they do.
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    Jan 03, 2008 12:56 AM GMT
    JP: do research before you spread internet rumors


    Walter Hudson
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    For the British politician Walter Richard Austen Hudson, see Austen Hudson.
    Walter Hudson (c. 1944 in Brooklyn, NY – 1991) of Hempstead, New York was the fourth most obese human in medical history. He also holds the Guinness world record for the largest waist. It measured 119 inches (3.02m) in 1987 when he was at his peak weight of 1,197 lbs.
    [edit]Gregory involvement

    He made the headlines after becoming wedged into his bedroom door way and having to be rescued by fire men. It took 9 men to move him back onto his reinforced bed. Despite his weight his organs functioned as well as a normal 21-year-old's but comedian and nutritionalist Dick Gregory used Hudson to highlight the virtue of his diet system, often saying that Hudson had lost between 200 and 800 pounds (90–360 kg), and using him for his own Bahamian diet. When Hudson refused to participate in the making of a videotape about the diet, Gregory left.
    [edit]Death

    Walter Hudson died in his sleep at age 47, weighing 1125 pounds (510.29 kg), after years of starvation dieting. His death came weeks after he announced his wedding date.
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    Jan 03, 2008 12:58 AM GMT
    Chungo,

    Apparently I misremembered that he gained the weight back. Sorry. I do recall him getting down to 650 or so. My bad.

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    Jan 03, 2008 1:10 AM GMT
    I am not here to judge anybody. I understand that being grossly overweight may be a result of variety disorders. However, I was flying home to spend Christmas with my family and as my luck had it, next to me was seated a 400 lb person (at least!). Trust me, after 1 hour into the flight I had to change my seat because my back was starting to kill me from being forced to sit leaning to the left, the guy needed ½ of my seat in addition to his own. And the contact of his body was not exactly pleasant either. I could not bare staying like that for another 7 hours of the flight! I did feel bad, hoping that I did not hurt his feelings, but……
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    Jan 03, 2008 2:18 AM GMT
    obscenewish saidNot ONCE did either of them allude to their causative condition. They didn't mention the words "overweight" or "obese." It was the strangest thing I've ever listened to -- like two amputees complaining about the baggy sleeves on their shirts.


    I just wet myself. OW, do you perform at parties?
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    Jan 03, 2008 2:40 AM GMT
    Vik,

    Why would you feel bad moving. In all honesty the air line should have charged him for an additional seat. In the vast majority of cases morbid obesity is caused by the person them selves. yes a few people have glandular problems, but please dont go telling me that in the last 30 years glandular problems are springing up all over the country like fucking wild fires. Morbid Obesity is a by product of gluttony, You paid for a full seat and should be afforded a full seat on the plane. If someone cant fit into a full seat on a plane they should have to buy two full seats to fit their fat ass into
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    Jan 03, 2008 3:15 AM GMT
    My next door neighbor is 475.

    He wanted me to look up the buffet's number on my cell (Superpages) so he could go binge before he gets his stomach stapled this month.

    I would judge them as mentally ill, lazy, and weak-minded. They seem to have no sense of self-preservation.

    There's no doubt they are not just mentally ill, but, also don't have discipline, and are obviously compulsive in their behavior.

    In some cases, of course, there's a fat gene (about 3%, they're guessing). The rest are just lazy fat bastards.

    I'd never choose one to work for me, nor to have around. OW puts it well. They seem to be in complete denial.

    Thing is, it takes YEARS to get so fucked up. I'd never let myself go like that.

    Vik83, he was a big fat bastard, and should have had to pay for three seats. There's no excuse.

    Fortunately, insurance companies are starting to crack down on them. If we're interested in saving lives, fat people have to go.

    I've watched the Supersize series on the Discovery Channel to try gain insight, and these folks are just completely self-destructive.

    When I stopped chewing, after 20 years...I put the chew in my upper left desk drawer, and that was the end of it. I said to myself, "I am not going to let this kill me, nor will I let it deter my bodybuilding." That was the end of that.
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    Jan 03, 2008 4:12 AM GMT
    Chuckystud--

    You are definitely right, it is a mental illness. It's the same slow self-destruction as smoking. In each case, I think, there is a genuinely suicidal impulse behind it.

    Which is why it is useless to tell fat people to just stop eating. Because those who want to kill themselves will simply find another way to do it. The only real change for people like that is for them to find out what makes them feel so worthless. Of course, that's scary, and most people who are in that situation would rather die than face that sort of painful self-examination. And, sadly, that's exactly what a lot of them are headed for.
  • justjk

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    Jan 03, 2008 4:19 AM GMT
    you know sometimes people with an ounce of compassion understands that sadly sometimes food IS an addiction for some people, having been down a road of addiction myself, not food, but i can understand how it can happen to some people, i wish them all the best and i'm sure they hurt
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    Jan 03, 2008 4:21 AM GMT
    I have a client who, at his largest, weighed 411#.

    After working with him for some time, he got to 334# then started taking liberties with the eating plan and bounced back up to 375 in a matter of weeks. Now he's back on track again.

    I asked him (after having known him for some time) how he happened to get so big. He said that when he got to something over 300, a friend of his who was in the 400's said - "what the hell, you might as well enjoy yourself" and my client bought into that.

    Fortunately, he has the constitution of a draft horse, and a skeleton to match. NO back problems, no joint problems of any kind, no high blood pressure, and a good lipid profile.

    When he gets below 300, he's due for a full-body lift.

    He's NOT lazy, he's not weak-willed - he's a highly successful executive. But he loves to be around people - and that means parties, and dinners out, and travel...
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    Jan 03, 2008 4:28 AM GMT
    He may not be lazy, but, he doesn't understand restraint.
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    Jan 03, 2008 4:42 AM GMT
    chuckystud said
    When I stopped chewing, after 20 years...I put the chew in my upper left desk drawer, and that was the end of it. I said to myself, "I am not going to let this kill me, nor will I let it deter my bodybuilding." That was the end of that.


    Yeah, but then again, you did chew for 20 years. That isn't a trivial fact. 20 YEARS. Hmmm...

    You, people who bash fat people are ignorant and unempathetic. I used to be fat, and I had no idea how big I was till I started losing weight. And while I was never as big as them, I imagine there get to be a sense of hopelessness once you get to be a certain size.

    I must say, gay people can be just as intolerant, or maybe even less sometimes, than other people.
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    Jan 03, 2008 4:56 AM GMT
    Red, I've watched shows like that as well. I don't know which one you were watching but the ones I watched stated that the people are addicted to food just as people who are addicted to drugs and booze.
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    Jan 03, 2008 5:21 AM GMT
    I do agree that no matter the reason I don't think any of these folks wouldn't trade it all to be think like most of us. I feel for them. I'm struggling to lose 20 pounds, I can't imagine having to lose 200....

    It's easy to point at why they're overweight and easy to give advice but we all know how hard it is to really stick to your guns and how many external factors can quickly distract and discourage us from doing what we know is right.

    Have some compassion guys.
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    Jan 03, 2008 5:24 AM GMT
    I dont think we can really judge these ppl. We're not in their shoes and have no idea what they r going through/have been through....we're not living their lives so we have no idea as to what lead to their obesity (we've all heard the "these ppl r lazy, slobs, etc."). So rather than point out what lowlives these ppl r based solely on what they look like...please guys, show some sensitivity (or at least pretend to) and refrain from sriticizing someonelses lifestyle unless you're going to get up and do something about it.

    Sorry if i sound bitchy
  • mv03

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    Jan 03, 2008 5:32 AM GMT
    Totally off topic..But I love the title of this post. I think it should be the title of the new Britney Spears album...Or a TV show.icon_eek.gif
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    Jan 03, 2008 5:42 AM GMT
    I am emphatically NOT criticizing these people. I'm just saying that "behavior modification" is of extremely limited utility, because the real issue for a lot of morbid obese people is the underlying suicidal impulse. So, you cure the eating, and they start cutting themselves. Or take up heroin. The point is that behavior mod is worthless without an ongoing therapy along side it, and that therapy invariably means addressing the scariest of feelings, which is why some people will go to any lengths to avoid it. And that avoidance leads to early deaths.

    And telling people to just put the fork down is callous and stupid. Stupid because it doesn't begin to really address the problem.