Heaven or Hell?

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    Dec 20, 2009 7:25 PM GMT

    Heaven:
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    Hell:
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    Which would you choose to spend eternity with?
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    Dec 21, 2009 4:12 PM GMT
    Yes, therefore not everyone who has "knowledge" enter into heaven. But those live a life in accordance with heaven are there, which is a main theme of the Bible.
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    Dec 21, 2009 4:44 PM GMT
    phemt said
    Heaven:

    Which would you choose to spend eternity with?


    you really do have an issue with this don't you?

    as for me i'm choosing to spend eternity with God.
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    Dec 21, 2009 4:45 PM GMT
    btw- who is the white guy supposed to be?
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    Dec 21, 2009 4:46 PM GMT
    Well...my kindergarten teacher proclaimed to the whole class and their parents at conferences one day that my name has 6 letters in each part (first, middle & last) therefore I must be the anti-christ. So...I have a feeling I'll be in hell icon_twisted.gif
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    Dec 21, 2009 4:49 PM GMT
    There's not a chance in Hell that Falwell is in Heaven - - - not with all the hurt and sorrow he caused down here on Earth. When you think of the greed, the money grubbing, the misery index this individual was responsible for.........icon_twisted.gif
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    Dec 21, 2009 4:51 PM GMT
    Yeah, I would have to invert those two. Unless this post was created on "Opposites Day" icon_twisted.gif
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    Dec 21, 2009 5:09 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidThere's not a chance in Hell that Falwell is in Heaven - - - not with all the hurt and sorrow he caused down here on Earth. When you think of the greed, the money grubbing, the misery index this individual was responsible for.........icon_twisted.gif


    Amen. Look at Him? He is commiting one of the deadly sins: glottony.
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    Dec 21, 2009 5:52 PM GMT
    Blackguy4you saidbtw- who is the white guy supposed to be?


    Jerry Falwell
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    Dec 21, 2009 5:53 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidThere's not a chance in Hell that Falwell is in Heaven - - - not with all the hurt and sorrow he caused down here on Earth. When you think of the greed, the money grubbing, the misery index this individual was responsible for.........icon_twisted.gif


    But he did claim to accept Jesus as his savior - isn't that really the only thing that matters?
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    Dec 21, 2009 5:54 PM GMT
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    Jockbod48 saidThere's not a chance in Hell that Falwell is in Heaven - - - not with all the hurt and sorrow he caused down here on Earth. When you think of the greed, the money grubbing, the misery index this individual was responsible for.........icon_twisted.gif


    But he did claim to accept Jesus as his savior - isn't that really the only thing that matters in order to get into "Heaven"?
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    Dec 21, 2009 6:10 PM GMT
    ebl333 saidYes, therefore not everyone who has "knowledge" enter into heaven. But those live a life in accordance with heaven are there, which is a main theme of the Bible.


    If I was starting a religion I'd say look, choose this one. Get down on your little contrite knees, mumble some crap and you can be as STUPID as you want, as sin filled as you want, you can hurt people your whole life, you can be the complete opposite of my religion's GOD because hey, nobody's perfect.

    My religion says in frightfully vivid language that you CANNOT fornicate with a man, but hey, accept my religion's god in your heart and you can do it as long as you remain contrite and walk around like you've got a halo atop your head already.

    My religion says in frightful language that hate is the opposite of love so you can't hate. It says let your life be an example to others, which if it is you can't live in sin because people are watching all the time. It's ok though, feel free to twist my religion's book's meaning and my GOD's purposes by being a glutinous hate filled backslider or a sanctimonious gay man, your body half in my light and the lower part submerged in the sin and filth of homosexuality, but as long as you accept me that time, you can live forever and eat bread with my GOD and the real saints: people who sacrificed their sin to be with my GOD or people who used a position of power on Earth to actually spread love.

    You know, I think G-Force said it right when he said everyone excludes them self from heaven based on the sin they do. He thinks that contrite acceptance of GOD's grace he made knowing full well he'd spit in GOD's face every chance he got has staying power.

    HEAVEN will not be densely populated if there is one because there are people who are actually saints and live as real Christians; you aren't getting in ahead, with, beside them. They may not be the brightest people, but they noticeably lived their lives by GOD's book, which your "Christian" pals aren't doing that. I'm impressed by the real saints, I hope for their sake that their humility and sacrifices are rewarded, but I have to chuckle knowing that the "fakers" will get exactly what they deserve too.

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    Dec 21, 2009 6:12 PM GMT
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    Jockbod48 saidThere's not a chance in Hell that Falwell is in Heaven - - - not with all the hurt and sorrow he caused down here on Earth. When you think of the greed, the money grubbing, the misery index this individual was responsible for.........icon_twisted.gif


    But he did claim to accept Jesus as his savior - isn't that really the only thing that matters in order to get into "Heaven"?

    Only God knows what is in a person's heart at the time of their death. As far as doing really bad things, the criminal on the cross next to Jesus was really bad and was being executed for mass crimes of murder. But his heart changed and he embraced Christ as his Savior and therefore Jesus said that day he would be with him in paradise.
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    Dec 21, 2009 6:23 PM GMT
    Good works are necessay as a FRUIT of your faith, but the Bible clearly says if you are TRUSTING in your own works to get you into heaven rather than on Christ;s work, you will not get into heaven because God demands absolutle perfection. The Bible says only those who have the perfect righteousness of Christ by faiith will get into heaven.
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    Dec 21, 2009 6:28 PM GMT
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    Blackguy4you saidbtw- who is the white guy supposed to be?


    Jerry Falwell


    ah ok- thanks
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    Dec 21, 2009 6:28 PM GMT
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    Jockbod48 saidThere's not a chance in Hell that Falwell is in Heaven - - - not with all the hurt and sorrow he caused down here on Earth. When you think of the greed, the money grubbing, the misery index this individual was responsible for.........icon_twisted.gif


    But he did claim to accept Jesus as his savior - isn't that really the only thing that matters in order to get into "Heaven"?

    Only God knows what is in a person's heart at the time of their death. As far as doing really bad things, the criminal on the cross next to Jesus was really bad and was being executed for mass crimes of murder. But his heart changed and he embraced Christ as his Savior and therefore Jesus said that day he would be with him in paradise.


    Manwhile you believe Gandhi is probably in hell - whatever.
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    Dec 21, 2009 6:32 PM GMT
    since neither exist, the question is moot... in my opinion.
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    Dec 21, 2009 6:41 PM GMT
    G_Force saidOnly God knows what is in a person's heart at the time of their death. As far as doing really bad things, the criminal on the cross next to Jesus was really bad and was being executed for mass crimes of murder. But his heart changed and he embraced Christ as his Savior and therefore Jesus said that day he would be with him in paradise.
    Sometimes I wonder how much you have read the bible .. nowhere in the "gospel" accounts does it say the criminals crucified with Jesus were murderers. All it says is that they were robbers not mass murderers. On the other hand, a murderer (barabbas) was set free and Jesus crucified in his place according to the christian bible.
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    Dec 21, 2009 6:49 PM GMT
    original714 saidsince neither exist, the question is moot... in my opinion.


    I really don't either. I ask it in a hypothetical way pointing out why "even if I did believe in God" I could never be Christian. Moral living takes second place to worshipping God in Chiristianity.
    An analogy (for me) would be a student in class who studies, does his homework, gets good grades, but is indifferent to the Teacher. The teach fails the student and says "I failed you because you didn't honor me and even though you did well - your knowlege is limited compared to mine - so step out side and take your asskicking".
    Meanwhile a student with just so so study habits and grades, but praises the teacher is the teacher's prized student and gets an A++++.
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    Dec 21, 2009 6:55 PM GMT
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    Jockbod48 saidThere's not a chance in Hell that Falwell is in Heaven - - - not with all the hurt and sorrow he caused down here on Earth. When you think of the greed, the money grubbing, the misery index this individual was responsible for.........icon_twisted.gif


    But he did claim to accept Jesus as his savior - isn't that really the only thing that matters in order to get into "Heaven"?

    Only God knows what is in a person's heart at the time of their death. As far as doing really bad things, the criminal on the cross next to Jesus was really bad. But his heart changed and he embraced Christ as his Savior and therefore Jesus said that day he would be with him in paradise.


    Manwhile you believe Gandhi is probably in hell - whatever.


    how much of the bible do you know? gforce is only relating what the bible speaks of. none of us can create our own way to heaven. there is only one way. and if you, gforce, ghandi, falwell or I do not choose that way- the bible says we go to hell. what is the issue with this?

    no need to continue beating up on gforce, beat up on the bible instead.

    btw, do u think that ghandi never ever lied, lusted, fornicated or stole?
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    Dec 21, 2009 7:14 PM GMT
    Here is something to consider .. Jesus rebuked "religious" people more than the did "sinners" in what I have read in the bible. Also just he said in so many words that people will come to him in his kingdom that seem religious but they will be rejected ..

    Matt 7:15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. .... 21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

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    ActiveAndFit saidHere is something to consider .. Jesus rebuked "religious" people more than the did "sinners" in what I have read in the bible. Also just he said in so many words that people will come to him in his kingdom that seem religious but they will be rejected ..

    Matt 7:15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. .... 21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'



    and you are right jesus did say that. he also said in:

    John 14:6 " I am the way and the truth and the life. No man cometh to the Father except thru me" Ergo no amount of good works will get you there.

    so ultimately as gforce has said quite correctly- God is the only one who knows who will see the pearly gates
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    Dec 21, 2009 7:26 PM GMT
    If someone told you that you were the scum of the earth. Because of who you are you deserve a horrible life. They thought you deserve to be beat and tortured because of who you are. Would you find it difficult to be friends with such a person?
    Well that is how Christians view us Non-Christians. It dosn't mattter to them what type people we are. They believe we will and deserve a far worst fate. In the end all they think that matters is that you believe differently - It is any wonder why I (and others) have problems being friends with Christians.
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    Dec 21, 2009 7:37 PM GMT
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    original714 saidsince neither exist, the question is moot... in my opinion.


    I really don't either. I ask it in a hypothetical way pointing out why "even if I did believe in God" I could never be Christian. Moral living takes second place to worshipping God in Chiristianity.
    An analogy (for me) would be a student in class who studies, does his homework, gets good grades, but is indifferent to the Teacher. The teach fails the student and says "I failed you because you didn't honor me and even though you did well - your knowlege is limited compared to mine - so step out side and take your asskicking".
    Meanwhile a student with just so so study habits and grades, but praises the teacher is the teacher's prized student and gets an A++++.


    i think a much better analogy:

    a doctor has two patients with the same a fatal disease. the doctor tells them that he has the cure for their disease and he's willing to move heaven and earth to make sure they get the cure. do they want it?

    one patient gladly accepts.

    the other patient tells the doctor no- he's going to work on his own version of the cure himself. the doctor tells the patient not to do that; that he the patient doesn't have the expertise or the resources to ever develop the cure on his own.

    patient tells doctor - he doesn't believe him that he's going to do it all the same and there's nothing that he the doctor can say or do to make him change his mind .

    on his death bed - the patient blames the doctor for not giving him the cure.


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    Dec 21, 2009 7:42 PM GMT
    I have to say I've had both in this world, I was born into a life of privilege, yet others made that life; childhood hell. People who should of protected me failed to do so.

    But I now live a privileged life, I go without noting as in worldly goods. I've asked for nothing this Christmas, as I'm in need of nothing. Albeit there is one person here at RJ, that maybe kidnapped by Santa this year, as I've asked Santa for a friend like that, in my life.

    I myself don't think there is a hell, per se. Just diffrent levels of heaven.