Should the HIV staus be removed from profiles?

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    Jan 25, 2007 5:35 AM GMT
    This could be construed as giving someone a clean bill of health and encouraging unsafe sexual behaviour.

    There is no way that anyone can tell if someone is HIV or - just from information supplied in a profile. In my opinion, it doesn't belong as a field in the profiles.

    What say you?
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    Jan 25, 2007 6:18 AM GMT
    True someone may not really know, but what if someone wanted to be upfront about it for dating purposes?

    I think the option should be there.
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    Jan 25, 2007 12:54 PM GMT
    i think there option that it is there is fair enough.

    i don't think it should be removed
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    Jan 25, 2007 2:27 PM GMT
    I think the option should be there too. I would imagine it provides a less awkward way for someone to let people know.

    I would hope that no one would take anything online at face value any more than they'd take someone's word when first meeting as far as it affects their own personal safety.
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    Jan 25, 2007 8:00 PM GMT
    Options are always good.
  • imaxim

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    Jan 25, 2007 11:10 PM GMT
    I agree that it's valuable for making that discussion less awkward. One also shouldn't forget that it makes it easier for HIV guys to find each other. I've known guys who met through less structured forums (like craigslist) and wound up dating for a while, fearing the HIV status discussion... only to find out that they were both positive to begin with.
  • dfrourke

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    Jan 25, 2007 11:31 PM GMT
    I guess before making any change, we would need to ask "What purpose does it serve?" As an openly poz guy, I still have people who skip that part of my profile and are still surprised later...I do scan the profiles of others just to see who is putting themselves out there...but we all know not everyone feels comfortable identifying as poz or even knows there current status which could then seem misleading to others...

    Regardless of the question...there seems to be a point somewhere around here about a disclosure question..."how do you know what you know?"

    - David
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    Jan 26, 2007 3:19 PM GMT
    It serves no purpose...

    If you're HIV , you can add that anywhere in your profile, same if you're confident that you are negative.

    If you're sexually active and haven't had an HIV test in 6 months to a year - you really can't be 100% sure anyway.

    Because of the HIV check box option, if someone doesn't fill it out or puts "I don't know" - people think they have something to hide. The bottom line is, never assume anything no matter what someone checks in their profile.
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    Jan 26, 2007 4:36 PM GMT
    I think the check box serves a purpose. As stated elsewhere above, our HIV brethern may prefer to state that explicitly on their profile. Who would lie about that? For self-identified HIV neg guys, sure, that could be a lie. But, hopefully, now-a-days, if guys on this site, all of whom are sexy, good looking AND INTELLLIGENT :-), before having sex, we would be discussing this explicitly.

    I'm for keeping the check box.

    My 1/2 cent.
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    Jan 26, 2007 6:41 PM GMT
    Absolutely required
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    Jan 26, 2007 7:48 PM GMT
    Stick to the facts guys (link to reference below) :

    1. 1 in 8 sexually active gay men in London have HIV.

    2. Almost half dont know that they have HIV.

    3. Over half of these men (53.4%) reported that their most recent HIV antibody test was negative and, consequently, they erroneously believed themselves to be HIV-negative.

    My view :

    1. Treat every new partner with caution - regardless of their self claimed HIV status due to its innacuracy


    http://www.aidsmap.com/en/news/F4D5934E-1662-4796-A35D-9BB0C32D2EFA.asp
  • bigguysf

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    Jan 28, 2007 7:09 AM GMT
    It's a good thing to put out if you are being truthful. If you are not being truthful, that will come out eventually anyway I think. I have seen guys I know are positive lie in profiles about their status (like guys who say they are in shape but forgot to mention that they are in shape for the couch potato Olympics). It tells me alot about someone when I find out that they are lying about something in their profile. Lying about being positive, about your age, and/or about your body type only tells me that we are probably not a good match in the first place. It may sound simplistic, but honesty really does work best most of the time.
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    Jan 31, 2007 3:52 AM GMT
    Thanks guys. Interesting to hear your opinions.
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    Mar 04, 2007 5:44 AM GMT
    I am a firm believer in this!

    / - are ONLY symbols

    SAFE SEX is YOUR responsibility --- post or not, your health is your health ---

    How many times I have you met someone had sex with them to find they have a bf - ok, didnt tell you upfront did he?

    Another way for us to discriminate againist our own community too.

    Always use judgement and safe sex!
  • christomax

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    Mar 23, 2007 4:00 PM GMT
    It really doesn't matter if it's there or not, but if you're unsure, take proper precautions. It's really not rocket science.
  • MSUBioNerd

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    Jul 31, 2010 12:14 AM GMT
    It is available as a search option, Stuart. Go to Advanced Search and scroll down. You can search for people on any answer they give to any of the check box questions.
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    Jul 31, 2010 12:18 AM GMT
    We had this thread topic before. And it made me aware that it's possible to enter a blank field to that answer here. I previously thought I had only a yes or no option.

    So I made mine a blank field. I agree that it should not be a field at all. Those who wish to state their HIV status can volunteer to do so in their comments. And even then, it needs to be understood that in the case of a "Negative" claim it has little real value.
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    Jul 31, 2010 1:08 AM GMT
    Stuart_Lanning_Jr said
    Wilton saidWe had this thread topic before. And it made me aware that it's possible to enter a blank field to that answer here. I previously thought I had only a yes or no option.

    So I made mine a blank field. I agree that it should not be a field at all. Those who wish to state their HIV status can volunteer to do so in their comments. And even then, it needs to be understood that in the case of a "Negative" claim it has little real value.

    You mean keep secrets from the people you FINALLY don't need to keep secrets from? The rest of the world would probe me with their rhetorical questions when at least with Gay people, we can skip all that crap. SO WHAT if I feel sexually rejected... I can go years without so long as you can go years accepting the Truth.

    I'm not sure what your meaning is. All I can say is that I have that field blank on this site, and no one questions me. I've been on other gay networking sites that didn't have that HIV field, and no one questioned me.

    I also know that a Negative reply is meaningless, since many poz men don't know they have HIV, plus a few will deliberately deny & conceal it. So that such a field has no value, unless a man wishes to be up-front, and alert others to his being poz. Of that we may presume he is certain.

    But he can do that in his textual comments if he wants. Why not a field for cancer status? How about for other STDs, which are contagious? How about one for hepatitis, which is more easily transmitted than HIV?

    So I came to the conclusion that such a question field was unnecessary and discriminatory. That is why I now have mine blank, neither yes or no.
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    Jul 31, 2010 1:11 AM GMT
    No more than it should be on a straight body building site in my opinion?
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    Jul 31, 2010 1:37 AM GMT
    Options are great! What we should have is a set of multiple choice options like in the "I'm looking for..." and "Sports I like..." sections of the profile.

    Among the additional multiple choice options can be:
    Hepatitis B
    Hepatits C
    Herpes
    Genital Warts - Anal
    Genital Warts - Penile
    Syphilis
    Eczema
    Cancer
    PTSD
    Schizophrenia
    Addiction
    Depression
    Anxiety
    Erectile Dysfunction
    Halitosis
    Kidney Disease
    GURD
    Cooties

    Wouldn't that be a great way to have even more information to filter out icky people from our own pristine dating pool?
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    Jul 31, 2010 1:40 AM GMT
    This is a three year old thread who is bringing this threads back to life?? and if you have unprotected sex with someone just because their online profile says so, then you're in big trouble, mister.
  • BlackBeltGuy

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    Jul 31, 2010 1:50 AM GMT
    it doesn't matter to me either way. When a MAN tells me upfront or is cool and doesn't lie, it makes me respect him more. thats a real man. know your status. thats the point. I think more advertising shopuld go into knowing ones status and education than topics like this.

    am i for the button/question? well, if it was a hook up site and more like Adam4adam then yes, real jock is a networking site for working out and culture..I have made friends in England,Asia and Ireland and they are amazing guys. I don't think its necessary personally but i can see how this is a gay site, and HIV affects a lot of adult gay men and a lot of them body build or very athletic, so why not. if not just leave it blank.


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    Jul 31, 2010 1:51 AM GMT
    Being poz myself, I don't mind having it as an option on my profile and am upfront about it.

    It's a treatable condition provided you take your meds.
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    Jul 31, 2010 2:01 AM GMT
    it's an option, not a requirement. it puts the issue out there. it helps people who specifically want to serosort avoid the awkwardness of ruining a potential friendship with somebody who they may have wanted to have sex with prior to learning hiv status -- nothing like getting a guy hot and bothered and then denying him sex based on something you should discussed prior. it also affords hiv+ guys the opportunity to trade health tips with one another more easily. i'm for it, as long as nobody's forced to do it. i'll be the first to admit that i'd be afraid to have sex with a positive guy, but i would never exclude them from friendship.
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    Jul 31, 2010 2:10 AM GMT
    Hermes63 saidBeing poz myself, I don't mind having it as an option on my profile and am upfront about it.

    It's a treatable condition provided you take your meds.

    The very first gay online group I ever joined, in Seattle, was a local BBS, not on the Internet in 1995, just direct dial-up. And they didn't have an HIV profile field.

    Instead, a number of the poz members decided themselves to put a plus (+) at the end of their screen names, a character that BBS system allowed. And I thought that was so brave, and honest, and such a great example of responsible behavior for others.

    And my own gay mentor, whom I met there, had a "+" after his SN. We became best friends. He was very active with the HIV community in Seattle, and it's due to him I became so involved in that regard myself, even before my own partner died of AIDS.

    But, I still don't think that item should be a standard RJ Profile field. If you want to declare it elsewhere on your own, fine, and a respectful salute from me. But making that the only medical condition field in the profile is discriminatory and prejudicial, in my view. We of all people, as gay men, should know better.