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    Dec 21, 2009 8:53 PM GMT
    hear anymore misinformation about the health care overhaul. i got this from a very reliable source. trust me.
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    Dec 21, 2009 9:01 PM GMT
    dancerjack saidhear anymore misinformation about the health care overhaul. i got this from a very reliable source. trust me.


    Yeah, it was on Wolf News, which is totally unbiased and informational. Also this man said it in church, and you can´t lie in church or the Baby Jesus cries.
  • Thirdbeach

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    Dec 21, 2009 9:21 PM GMT
    Huh?

    There's a health care overhaul in the United States.

    Who woulda thought.
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    Dec 21, 2009 9:45 PM GMT
    News of any overhaul has been greatly exaggerated.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Dec 21, 2009 9:54 PM GMT
    I am sick and damned tired of this whole health care issue. Lets face hard facts, most Americans are opposed to socialized medicine even if it means making good quality health care more easily available to them. If you really want to solve the health care crisis in this country, it all starts with each and every American and not the health insurance or the hospitals. We need to improve our diets and exercise more and stop expecting all the basic, daily tasks in life to be automated. It is time to get out of our cars and start walking if the trip is one mile or less. Sadly we have literally engineered walking, bicycling and any other form of physical activity out of our daily lives. Instead of spending more tax money on bike lanes, walking paths, and running trails we waste that money on more wide roads and superhighways so we can sit on our lazy asses in greenhouse gas emitting cars and get to our destinations which are all too sprawled out. All our daily activities whether it be work, school, shopping, or recreation should be made more accessible by walking and cycling. We Americans also need to lay off the processed, high fat, high sodium foods and start eating more organic foods. Until Americans start making the needed lifestyle changes and stop taking everything for granted, this health care crisis is going to continue to be a serious problem which is going to help push already high costs even higher.
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    Dec 21, 2009 9:56 PM GMT
    Its over and all the right people took home quite a haul.
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    Dec 21, 2009 10:27 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said...If you really want to solve the health care crisis in this country, it all starts with each and every American and not the health insurance or the hospitals. We need to improve our diets and exercise more and stop expecting all the basic, daily tasks in life to be automated. It is time to get out of our cars and start walking if the trip is one mile or less. Sadly we have literally engineered walking, bicycling and any other form of physical activity out of our daily lives. Instead of spending more tax money on bike lanes, walking paths, and running trails...

    The problem with health care in the US is about bike paths and running trails? You sure it isn't about aliens abducting us into flying saucers? And what a novel concept, that people can pay for their health care costs due right now by improving their diets.

    And what does your diet consist of, hallucinogenic mushrooms? icon_razz.gif
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    Dec 21, 2009 10:55 PM GMT
    No Red Vespa health care in this country is about Americans not taking good care of themselves. More exercise and better diets would mean less trips to the doctor or the hospital which could help push costs down in the long run because the demand is not so intense as it is right now. But you are a blind sycophant to the democratic party and the socialized medicine lobby so you just don't understand what I was trying to get across to you.
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    roadbikeRob saidI am sick and damned tired of this whole health care issue. Lets face hard facts, most Americans are opposed to socialized medicine even if it means making good quality health care more easily available to them. If you really want to solve the health care crisis in this country, it all starts with each and every American and not the health insurance or the hospitals. We need to improve our diets and exercise more and stop expecting all the basic, daily tasks in life to be automated. It is time to get out of our cars and start walking if the trip is one mile or less. Sadly we have literally engineered walking, bicycling and any other form of physical activity out of our daily lives. Instead of spending more tax money on bike lanes, walking paths, and running trails we waste that money on more wide roads and superhighways so we can sit on our lazy asses in greenhouse gas emitting cars and get to our destinations which are all too sprawled out. All our daily activities whether it be work, school, shopping, or recreation should be made more accessible by walking and cycling. We Americans also need to lay off the processed, high fat, high sodium foods and start eating more organic foods. Until Americans start making the needed lifestyle changes and stop taking everything for granted, this health care crisis is going to continue to be a serious problem which is going to help push already high costs even higher.


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    Dec 22, 2009 12:04 AM GMT
    As a bystander, watching the health insurance reform debate has felt kind of like watching a schizophrenic with multiple personalities eat himself alive. I mean, in the face of terrible human suffering you have people calling those who want to do something about it "nazis," and legislators who are supposed to serve their constituents doing their damndest to stop anything from changing because they've literally been bought by companies that seriously act like cartoon supervillain syndicates. It's absurd, the gaping hole in American politics and civics where "conscience" is supposed to be.
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    Dec 22, 2009 12:08 AM GMT
    And according to a few RJers, we're not all created equal, nor are we all entitled to health care. Mind blowing stuff
  • Mikeylikesit

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    Dec 22, 2009 12:20 AM GMT
    Ugh!!!....Its ALL about pork barrel spending to get the votes needed....we ALL will be paying the price for all this spending! Not to mention none of us know what is in these 2000 pages....
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    imperator saidAs a bystander, watching the health insurance reform debate has felt kind of like watching a schizophrenic with multiple personalities eat himself alive. I mean, in the face of terrible human suffering you have people calling those who want to do something about it "nazis," and legislators who are supposed to serve their constituents doing their damndest to stop anything from changing because they've literally been bought by companies that seriously act like cartoon supervillain syndicates. It's absurd, the gaping hole in American politics and civics where "conscience" is supposed to be.


    The thing that is fucking scary is that the most vociferous opposition comes from the Christian fuelled Right... putting the love of God into action since 1980.*


    *as long as you are not a fag, a socialist, a Jew or a muslim and you were lucky enough to find a job that pays you enough to afford overpriced insurance which will cover you until you most need it, unless you are fucking rich and can afford the sort of unconditional care which is given to citizens of all other developed countries as part of the state´s provision from taxes. Offer available until stocks crash, may contain nuts.

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    Dec 22, 2009 4:05 PM GMT
    Lostboy's fine print:

    *as long as you are not a fag, a socialist, a Jew or a muslim and you were lucky enough to find a job that pays you enough to afford overpriced insurance which will cover you until you most need it, unless you are fucking rich and can afford the sort of unconditional care which is given to citizens of all other developed countries as part of the state´s provision from taxes. Offer available until stocks crash, may contain nuts.
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    tokugawa saidLostboy's fine print:

    *as long as you are not a fag, a socialist, a Jew or a muslim and you were lucky enough to find a job that pays you enough to afford overpriced insurance which will cover you until you most need it, unless you are fucking rich and can afford the sort of unconditional care which is given to citizens of all other developed countries as part of the state´s provision from taxes. Offer available until stocks crash, may contain nuts.


    Do you not think that (1) I put it like it was on purpose and (2) that people can read it if they want. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    imperator saidAs a bystander, watching the health insurance reform debate has felt kind of like watching a schizophrenic with multiple personalities eat himself alive. I mean, in the face of terrible human suffering you have people calling those who want to do something about it "nazis," and legislators who are supposed to serve their constituents doing their damndest to stop anything from changing because they've literally been bought by companies that seriously act like cartoon supervillain syndicates. It's absurd, the gaping hole in American politics and civics where "conscience" is supposed to be.


    Well said.

    And as long as corporations are able to buy certain politicians and protect their profits by creating advertising campaigns with patriotic "morning in America" and scare tactic themes, the general public will believe it.

    Its all about fear of change. And greed.
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    Dec 22, 2009 7:59 PM GMT
    Someone once said the nine words that will strike fear in the heart of many men are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you."
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    Dec 22, 2009 8:26 PM GMT
    StudlyScrewRite said Someone once said the nine words that will strike fear in the heart of many men are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you."


    Unless they are soldiers. Or did you privatize the military too?
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    Dec 23, 2009 7:27 AM GMT
    Pardon me while I go back and address something roadbikebob mentioned.

    Isn't health care as a for profit growth industry a little contradictory? For an overstated example, if every one gets all healthy like you suggest, how many hospitals will close for lack of profit? It seems the health industry down there may have already thought of that, as the average US person's health is lower than that of its socialized medicine neighbour. Just check out your obesity rates, a huge money maker for the health care shareholders.

    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity


    ...and this explains a lot too..especially when comparing life-spans.

    http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/spend.php&hl=en&strip=1
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    Dec 23, 2009 9:34 AM GMT
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    StudlyScrewRite said Someone once said the nine words that will strike fear in the heart of many men are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you."

    Actually, that was Ronald Reagan, whom history will eventually see as the worst president ever, the one who set in motion all the forces that may yet tear this country to shreds.


    Might not the worst president be LBJ, who, according to E. Howard Hunt's deathbed confession, ordered the Kennedy assassination? To see the full Rolling Stone article (which is divided into several web pages, no doubt to increase advertising revenue) on one web page, go to:

    http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/jfk_hunt_last_confessions_rolling_stone.htm

    "... The Hunt confession vindicates generations of historians, researchers and whistleblowers who have given their lives and careers to expose the truth about Dealey Plaza. While there are too many to name, they include, but are not limited to (and in no particular order): Jim Garrison, Mark Lane, Fletcher Prouty, Josiah Thompson, Carl Oglesby, Peter Dale Scott, Anthony Summers, Robert Groden, Victor Marchetti, David Lifton, Harrison Livingstone, Michael Canfield, A.J. Weberman, Sylvia Meagher, William Turner, Jim Marrs, Pete Brewton, John Newman, Philip Melanson, Hal Verb, Mae Brussell, Harold Weisberg, Oliver Stone, Mike Ruppert and Dan Hopsicker, Jim diEugenio and Linda Pease."

    source:

    http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1918.shtml
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    Me Oh My will be on here any minute to fold the LBJ-assassination story into his unified-field theory of world domination by the Illuminati and the Elders of Zion.
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    TexDef07 saidMe Oh My will be on here any minute to fold the LBJ-assassination story into his unified-field theory of world domination by the Illuminati and the Elders of Zion.


    and the CIA? icon_rolleyes.gif
  • tokugawa

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    Dec 23, 2009 8:30 PM GMT
    jprichva saidSeriously? The deathbed confession of a known liar and fabulist? A self-aggrandizing CIA hanger-on distrusted by the agency, its enemies, and everyone except Richard Nixon?

    The LBJ-ordered-JFK-assassination theory has been around since, oh, late 1963 and there has never been a single shred of evidence to it. But it's amazing how many suckers are willing to credit it still.


    Not a single shred of evidence? I just posted a link to Hunt's death bed confession, which, despite your unfavorable opinion of Hunt (some of which I agree with), is, in fact, DIRECT EVIDENCE OF LBJ'S GUILT, and admissible in a court of law, if and when charges are brought against JFK's assassins.

    BTW, Hunt was blackmailing Nixon into paying him hush money, some of which might have been carried by Hunt's wife at the time of her death in a plane crash, $10,000 in cash. see:

    http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=dorothy_hunt_1

    BTW, Nixon mentioned Hunt on the famous 'smoking gun' tape:

    Nixon: Of course, this is a, this is a Hunt, you will-that will uncover a lot of things. You open that scab there's a hell of a lot of things and that we just feel that it would be very detrimental to have this thing go any further. This involves these Cubans, Hunt, and a lot of hanky-panky that we have nothing to do with ourselves. Well what the hell, did Mitchell know about this thing to any much of a degree?

    see:

    http://watergate.info/tapes/72-06-23_smoking-gun.shtml

    So your assertion that everybody 'except Nixon' distrusted Hunt is suspect.

    For a review of some of the new uses of the English language which came out of the Watergate scandal, such as 'smoking gun,' see:

    http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1997/6/1997_6_24.shtml
  • danisnotstr8

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    Dec 23, 2009 8:59 PM GMT
    Americans are not opposed to health care overhaul. Rich white Americans are, quite simply, afraid of change. It's what they do. Rich white Americans live in fear. It's fucking sad. Long term benefits don't matter. A better standard of living doesn't matter. It's all about here-and-now.

    Rich Americans want to continue being richer than someone else. Poor Americans want to be enabled. It's social genocide. And as long as we continue voting rich white Americans into Congress to represent us, we will continue to see rich white Americans live better than everyone else.

    There are exceptions to this rule. But this is the general trend. So, to those rich white Americans who continue to oppress: You are bigots. Fuck you.

    Love thy neighbor as thyself.

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    Dec 23, 2009 9:15 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidNews of any overhaul has been greatly exaggerated.

    At this point, the use of "overhaul" is an exaggeration.




    We should date...thread derailed!