Love or Love Me Not for being humble or a stuck up?

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    Dec 22, 2009 3:52 AM GMT
    If you were torn between love and social class what will you choose?



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    Dec 22, 2009 1:31 PM GMT
    ALEZANDAR saidIf you were torn between love and social class what will you choose?
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    Torn between love and social class? That was so 19th century!

    One attractive feature of gay life is the relative absence of class barriers. If you look at the social network of any gay man you'll probably find a wider range of income and social origin than you would with a comparable straight person. It's because at certain stages of our lives we tend to judge people mostly by looks and charm.
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    Dec 22, 2009 3:29 PM GMT
    Love for sure.
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    Dec 22, 2009 3:34 PM GMT
    I'll swallow a vial of magic potion so that I may seem dead and we can escape our cruel social status differences. And leave a fucking note so Romeo doesn't get the wrong ideas. Then we elope to Hawaii.
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    Dec 22, 2009 3:35 PM GMT
    Here in CT it is social class first especially in the WASP community

    You may fuck the gardener and have him fuck you. But if he's not a WASP it is not happening.



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    Dec 22, 2009 3:57 PM GMT
    If you have to choose, it's time to move and take control of your own life.

    So I guess love.
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    Dec 22, 2009 4:04 PM GMT
    jimbobthedevil saidIf you have to choose, it's time to move and take control of your own life.

    So I guess love.


    I Agree... as someone who has experienced having only pennies to their name .... There is no value that can be put on friendship/love.
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    Dec 22, 2009 4:14 PM GMT
    I would choose love.

    I could be a Hyacinth Bucket and have enough social grace for the both of us.
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    Dec 22, 2009 4:16 PM GMT
    To be honest, I don't "get" social class. I treat everyone the same if they are respectful. You got to have confidence to do that.
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    Dec 22, 2009 5:07 PM GMT
    Hey guys thank you so much for your responses! I posted this thread in reactions to my boyfriend's issues with social classes! I will come back later to explain more about itl!!


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    Dec 23, 2009 1:42 AM GMT
    So here is the reason I posted this thread! my boyfriend and I are natives to the town we live as are our families. We both have an upper middle class upbringing. The only difference between us is that he and his family are a bit snobbish while my family and I are very humble!

    I love my boyfriend a lot because deep down inside he is a decent, honest, and hard working person, but as of lately his mood swings are getting me very concerned and frankly even getting on my nerves! my boyfriend still can't find a job for almost a year now, and this situation is getting him quite depressed and bitter. I in the meantime give him a lot of emotional support and even avoid voicing my opinion whenever he said something inappropriate or insensitive about others less fortunate then him! I said "less fortunate then him" as I remind him he still has a roof over his head that is all paid for, while others are still struggling paying their mortgage and feeding their families. He also wishes that all the drunks, street beggars, drug addicts, and panhandlers should all be shot! lately I am also noticing a very ugly racist side of his family and himself that I never saw before!

    My family and I do a lot of volunteer and charitable work for the surrounding communities less fortunate, and even thou I live a fairly good life I have remained humble and love feeling and sharing compassion for others less fortunate then I! I am as of lately feeling like trying to digest a sandwich filled with slices of disappointment, love, and confusion!?


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    Dec 23, 2009 1:49 AM GMT
    The subject is mostly irrelevant in contemporary USA. Men and women become independent at a younger age than other countries, but perhaps the biggest factor is the influence of family. One's parents and grandparents have a great deal of influence in other cultures and societies, where the issue of class is critical.

    But like I said, it's almost a non-issue in the US. That being said, two people of radically different socioeconomic backgrounds will face particular challenges in a relationship than two of same or similar backgrounds won't. Whether this constitutes a deal breaker for the relationship is up to each individual case.
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    Dec 23, 2009 2:00 AM GMT
    jprichva said I disgree, you sweet thing. Class is the ugly unspoken subtext behind a great deal of what goes on in this country. What do you think Sarah Palin is all about?

    JP, you're so right. Palin was dissed by the coastal elites because she was so obviously NOCD (Not Our Class Dear, as Bostonians used to say).
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    Dec 23, 2009 2:00 AM GMT
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    Ciarsolo saidThe subject is mostly irrelevant in contemporary USA. Men and women become independent at a younger age than other countries, but perhaps the biggest factor is the influence of family. One's parents and grandparents have a great deal of influence in other cultures and societies, where the issue of class is critical.
    But like I said, it's almost a non-issue in the US.

    I disgree, you sweet thing. Class is the ugly unspoken subtext behind a great deal of what goes on in this country. What do you think Sarah Palin is all about?


    Pregnant Teens, Shooting Moose and Hot Chocolate at Hockey Games of course!
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    Dec 23, 2009 2:12 AM GMT
    I'm not saying someone who grew up in upper-class America won't be influenced as to the environment where one would date, but I argue class issues wouldn't trump a relationship where both individuals have consented to enter in a relationship. I'm arguing if you want to be with someone you're going to be with them. And that they would face a particular set of challenges. Class issues transcend the individual level. If Country Club Boyfriend A wants Subsidized Housing Boyfriend B to play doubles Muffy and Babs at the courts then they've transcended the individual level. If they two want to start a new life as a couple it's different.

    Lest of course you argue their different upbringing will inevitably terminate their chances at a relationship. Which goes into their own set of challenges.

    Unless I misunderstood the thread topic and it's not about social class between two people but whether social class is relevant as a societal whole, in which case uh, duh, ya think.
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    Ciarsolo saidThe subject is mostly irrelevant in contemporary USA. Men and women become independent at a younger age than other countries, but perhaps the biggest factor is the influence of family. One's parents and grandparents have a great deal of influence in other cultures and societies, where the issue of class is critical.

    But like I said, it's almost a non-issue in the US. That being said, two people of radically different socioeconomic backgrounds will face particular challenges in a relationship than two of same or similar backgrounds won't. Whether this constitutes a deal breaker for the relationship is up to each individual case.



    I agree with much of what you said, but my boyfriend and I come from the same social classes, so I don't see any clashes there! my family despite being well off are not racist nor look down on people just because they are from a different social class or act indifferent to people who may simply be down on their luck.

    My boyfriend and his mother won't even step inside a mall unless it is a high end Mall that caters to the rich like Short Hills Mall here in New Jersey!! the mother and my boyfriend live in a house that is in worse shape then mine, and they like to spend money they don't have!! he is currently down on his luck and lives on an unemployment check. If I go shopping to a regular mall that caters to a good mix of people my boyfriend refuses to come along; I just don't get it!?


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    Dec 23, 2009 2:43 AM GMT
    Well, if two people belong to the same socio-economic strata and one believes they are better than the other then it is easily explainable. They're an asshole.

    However, if two people belong to different socio-economic strata and one believes they are better than the other then they're an asshole as well. With precedent of centuries of assholes, mind you.
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    Dec 23, 2009 2:47 AM GMT
    Someone please help me! Is it me, or is the question insulting, revolting or _______* ?


    *choose a your own negative adjective.
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    Dec 23, 2009 3:09 AM GMT
    Ciarsolo saidWell, if two people belong to the same socio-economic strata and one believes they are better than the other then it is easily explainable. They're an asshole.

    However, if two people belong to different socio-economic strata and one believes they are better than the other then they're an asshole as well. With precedent of centuries of assholes, mind you.



    That is exactly the point I am trying to make on this thread! it is wrong to look down on people just because they are less fortunate then you. I feel good when I walk down main street and a formal client stops me to say hello to thank me for helping him, and then when I turned to my boyfriend who was in my company he gives me the creeps with his shocking look of disgust on his face, and it is those instances often flashing on my mind lately that I am getting mixed feelings about our future together!?



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    Dec 23, 2009 3:16 AM GMT
    MY GOD! Dude... is there REALLY a question here? My question would be.. HOW did you ever allow yourself to get involved with such a LOSER!?!

    Really?


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    Ciarsolo saidWell, if two people belong to the same socio-economic strata and one believes they are better than the other then it is easily explainable. They're an asshole.

    However, if two people belong to different socio-economic strata and one believes they are better than the other then they're an asshole as well. With precedent of centuries of assholes, mind you.



    That is exactly the point I am trying to make on this thread! it is wrong to look down on people just because they are less fortunate then you. I feel good when I walk down main street and a formal client stops me to say hello to thank me for helping him, and then when I turned to my boyfriend who was in my company he gives me the creeps with his shocking look of disgust on his face, and it is those instances often flashing on my mind lately that I am getting mixed feelings about our future together!?




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    Dec 23, 2009 3:19 AM GMT
    LuvMuscle99 saidSomeone please help me! Is it me, or is the question insulting, revolting or _______* ?


    *choose a your own negative adjective.



    What seems insulting to you?


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    LuvMuscle99 saidMY GOD! Dude... is there REALLY a question here? My question would be.. HOW did you ever allow yourself to get involved with such a LOSER!?!

    Really?


    ALEZANDAR said
    Ciarsolo saidWell, if two people belong to the same socio-economic strata and one believes they are better than the other then it is easily explainable. They're an asshole.

    However, if two people belong to different socio-economic strata and one believes they are better than the other then they're an asshole as well. With precedent of centuries of assholes, mind you.



    That is exactly the point I am trying to make on this thread! it is wrong to look down on people just because they are less fortunate then you. I feel good when I walk down main street and a formal client stops me to say hello to thank me for helping him, and then when I turned to my boyfriend who was in my company he gives me the creeps with his shocking look of disgust on his face, and it is those instances often flashing on my mind lately that I am getting mixed feelings about our future together!?




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    I always give people the benefit of the doubt and even a chance to prove themselves! but you are not too far from the truth, I feel that am exhausting my patience with him! I still think he is a very decent guy who have a lot of potential and ambition in life, but I am afraid he still have a lot of prejudices to work out of which I don't feel I will be able to live with or even tolerate it if we were to have a future together, which at times there seems to be that possibility!? I welcome any thoughts or criticism, I am sure to benefit from your feed backs!!


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