Who will win Iowa tonight?

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    Jan 03, 2008 4:47 PM GMT
    My hopes and prayers lie with Barack Obama. I also think that young and independent voters will tip him over the edge. God I hope he wins tonight. Obama or Edwards, anyone but Hillary please!
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 03, 2008 5:08 PM GMT
    Well I was about to put my own thread on here about this subject... more like "TIME TO REPLACE BUSH"...etc.

    Whether democrat or republican, anything has to be better than what we've had over the last 7 years.

    I'd support Hillary or Edwards certainly. Barak if there isn't any other democratic choice (he isn't quite ready for prime time). Even the Republican side is interesting. Lets just move the process along!icon_surprised.gif
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    Jan 03, 2008 5:14 PM GMT
    Barack is too inexperienced. He is a definite no for me.

    Since Gore isnt running, I could go with Hillary or Edwards.

    On the Repugnican side: Giuliani is the best for gays, I think. I esp. dont want Romney (what a snake in the grass)and Huckabee (way too religious and anti-gay),
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    Jan 03, 2008 5:24 PM GMT
    as for the republicans I think Ron Paul or Giuliani would be best for gays.

    as for the Dems I think Hillary is hands down the worst for gay rights. She does not even support ending the Defense of Marriage Act. Obama, and Edwards have promised to repeal that stupid peice of legislation. Gravel and Kucinich support marriage equality but have no shot.
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    Jan 03, 2008 6:28 PM GMT
    I hope Romney wins. Not because I like him, but because he would be easiest to knock down in the general.

    The Des Mons Register poll typically gets the numbers right, and I hope they do (they have Obama winning by 7%). I am guessing that Obama will win by 5% followed by Clinton with Edwards a very close third. God knows who will get 4th, as the democrat Iowa caucus system is so beyond fucked it gives me a headache just thinking about it.
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    Jan 03, 2008 7:42 PM GMT
    I'm going to the caucuses tonight to support Edwards. If for some reason, Edwards isn't viable in my precinct, I'll switch to Hillary. I can't stand Obama.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 03, 2008 7:42 PM GMT
    Well as I said earlier, Hillary would be fine as well as Edwards. Obama doesn't rank, but I wouldn't refuse to vote for him if he were the nominee.

    My decisions are not based on what is best for "gays".. that enters into my decision, but there are many factors that affect my voting decision. Its a balanced, carefully considered approach.
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    Jan 03, 2008 7:46 PM GMT
    BTW, you can get caucus results online:

    http://www.iowacaucusresults.com/

    http://www.iowagop.net/
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    Jan 03, 2008 8:01 PM GMT
    A word from over the ocean: I would go for Obama (damned it is hard to keep Osama and Obama apart if youre typing icon_cool.gif ) For those that say that he is unexperienced..... How many presidents did the US have with any experience to that job? Obama could gain some respect in Europa (and be sre, you guy's need that after Bush)
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    Jan 03, 2008 9:47 PM GMT
    God, I am SICK of the Hillary bashing. It's the product of 15 years of Republican noise machine blathering, which people have internalized. Yes, she is problematic, but she's head and shoulders over any Republican.

    That said, I'm going with Edwards. I heard on the radio today that Hillary has visited only 63 of the 99 counties in Iowa, and Obama has only hit 71, while Edwards has shown up in all 99. In the kind of retail politics that Iowa likes, that could mean a surprise Edwards victory. Maybe I'm just hoping.
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    Jan 03, 2008 9:53 PM GMT


    Here are my thoughts:

    Clinton: YES for President

    Edwards: NO for President; YES for Vice President

    Obama: NO for President; YES for Senior Cabinet

    Paul: NO for President; YES for Senior Cabinet

    Kucinich: NO for President: YES for Senior Cabinet

    McCain: NO for President, NO for Cabinet; YES for Ambassador to North Korea

    Romney: NO for President; NO for Cabinet; YES for Ambassador to Venezuela

    Huckabee: NO for President; NO for Cabinet; YES for Amabassador to Darfur

    Guliani: NO for President; NO for Cabinet: NO for Ambassador; YES for Host to "Win, Lose or Draw" (New Edition)

    Fred Thompson: NO for President; NO for Cabinet; NO for Ambassador; NO for TV Host; YES for Retiree.

    And the beat goes on . . .





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    Jan 03, 2008 9:56 PM GMT
    I'm with jprichva; the Hillary bashing is so mid-90s Republican. They just do it to divide Democrats; sadly, it seems to work.

    My vote is for Hillary, and I do so hope she wins tonight. It's too close for me to call, though, that's for sure. The Register poll makes me think it might be Obama, but when it's this tight I just can't call it.
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    Jan 03, 2008 9:57 PM GMT
    Edwards, I hope.

    Obama's continual whining about bipartisanship has gotten tedious. The Republicans aren't the least bit interested in bipartisan government and we need to rescind the neo-fascist policies of the Bush years -- not "compromise" about habeas corpus, the "unitary executive" and the like.

    I just don't want to go through the drama of a HIllary campaign and I don't wanna listen to people try to drag a yes-or-no answer out of her for the next year.

    But, like everyone else, I'd vote for any of them over the bizarre assortment of Republican loonies running.
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    Jan 03, 2008 10:24 PM GMT
    Clinton bashing is 90's for republicans.

    I am a solid democrat and cannot stand Hillary Clinton.

    That woman will say and do anything to get the vote, she is a right wing moderate, who will do no good for this country except bring us down in defeat. I don't trust her one bit, she is sneaky and she is a true politician as the latin word has it poli - tik "blood sucker"

    Hell no to Hillary Clinton.

    Kucinich, Obama, and Edwards, Gravel can get a hug from me, the rest can go screw themselves.
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    Jan 03, 2008 10:25 PM GMT
    oh and thanks Paradox for the link, i will be checking it religiously for updates. Im such a dork lol.
  • irishkcguy

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    Jan 03, 2008 10:25 PM GMT
    If the national election winds up being Hilary vs Huckabee, I will stab my eyes out.
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    Jan 03, 2008 11:17 PM GMT
    that will be a scary day but you bet ill be a diehard hillary supporter if its her against huckabee.
  • BlackJock79

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    Jan 03, 2008 11:37 PM GMT
    I just found out what a caucus is... This may seem kinda lame but I just yesterday got tired of hearing about it and researched what it was. I've voted in every presidential election since I've been 18 but I never really paid much attention to politics, I usually do a crash course on the candidate a month or so before I go to the polls. I like everyone that I have seen so far though, Clinton, Obama, and Edwards. Don't really know much about the Republicans, except Guliani. I don't think any of them are likeable. I'm not a democrat, I'm independent by the way.

    I don't think Obama has enough experience but I think he is very intelligent and the current President wasn't THAT much more experienced as a govenor before he was elected was he? He only served 2 terms and he's a fucking idiot. I think Hillary is VERY smart, I like her, but I'm not sure if America wants a woman president yet. I think the best ticket to the White House would be Edwards and Obama. Whoever gets the Dems nomination, Obama is probably going to be on the ballot, whether as Pres. or Vice Pres. Either one would be an amazing milestone for African Americans. This is all based on the very little I have been paying attention though... Once someone gets the nomination I'll start following more closely.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 04, 2008 2:20 AM GMT
    Well it looks like Huckabee is the winner on the Republican side, nothing determined on the democratic yet. Hopefully Edwards or certainly Hillary will pull it off.....
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    Jan 04, 2008 2:35 AM GMT
    Nope, CNN's calling it for Obama.
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    Jan 04, 2008 2:52 AM GMT
    Obama has won Iowa, its gonna be a close call for second between Edwards and Clinton.
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    Jan 04, 2008 3:05 AM GMT
    In my precinct, Hillary's group was too small to be viable, and it ended up with one hold-out in Hillary's group, 24 for Edwards, and 23 for Obama. After seeing the media ignore Edwards and try to make this a Hillary vs. Obama race, I was extremely pleased to see Edwards do as well as he did.

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    Jan 04, 2008 3:20 AM GMT
    paradox just out of curiosity how long did the whole caucus process take? does everyone have to show up at the same time? how many people per caucus room?
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    Jan 04, 2008 3:30 AM GMT
    Holy shit. Not only did Obama win by 8% he is the only candidate over 30%. This is going to boost him big time in NH. Their primary is on tuesday. RIght now Clinton is slightly ahead of Obama in most polls with Edwards a respectable, but distant third. The results of this caucus can only hurt Clinton since bitch is coming in third. Edwards though is not competitive in any other state than NH, and has very little money. So, this is the end of his presidential bid unless something magic happens in NH.

    Oh man, I am wetting myself with glee.
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    Jan 04, 2008 3:55 AM GMT
    Never underestimate the power of intelligent youth revolutionary hippies who see Obama as an agent of change =) and Hillary as an over the Hill same old good for nothing scumbag politician.