Recording Academy blows GLAAD off, calls Buju Banton's gay-murder lyrics his "cultural perspective."

  • metta

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    Dec 22, 2009 8:32 AM GMT



    http://www.bilerico.com/2009/12/recording_academy_blows_glaad_off_calls_buju_banto.php
  • metta

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    Dec 22, 2009 9:07 AM GMT

    We should block traffic to the grammy's.





    http://www.grammy.com/


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Award


    So it will be at the Staples center....it has many entrances which would make it difficult to block. icon_sad.gif

    We could protest outside and cover ourselves in fake blood to represent the the blood spilled by supporting people that support violence and killing of gay people.
  • metta

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    Dec 22, 2009 9:14 AM GMT
    How to make gallons of fake blood:

    http://www.ehow.com/how_4856993_make-gallons-fake-blood.html
  • metta

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    Dec 22, 2009 9:17 AM GMT


    Got any better ideas?
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    Dec 22, 2009 10:37 AM GMT
    I remember when Eminem was the subject of similar charges and was given a huge backlash. While he backed off with the supposed uninvited assistance from Elton John, he has kind of backed off since then, but has not seen as much success as he did. While every person is entitled to his or her own opinion, even the freedom of artistic license, it ceases to be that when it is use to attack a sector of population. This guy, Buju, is a documented murderer, but it doesn't surprise me that he received the nomination anymore than it does each time R Kelly receives one and he is a documented pediphile (Yea, I saw the tape too). Reggae is very cool musice, but the Rastas have their extremists just like other sectors. Take the money out of their pockets and you shut them down. Don't believe it? Ask Eminem.
  • NickoftheNort...

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    Dec 22, 2009 3:36 PM GMT
    If they had stuck with the "oh, that song is from his sordid past" and a kind of "he's put away such childish things" justification, I'd understand (I still have no reason to support him); justifying his song's call to murder us as a "cultural perspective" is worthy of boycotts. demonstrations, and more.

    Another solution is to convince speakers at the event to bring attention to the issue and for them call out the Recording Academy on its abhorrent morality (especially during the ceremony).
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    Dec 22, 2009 3:40 PM GMT
    Convince the other nominees not to attend? LOL Who are the others anyway.
  • NickoftheNort...

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    Dec 22, 2009 3:57 PM GMT
    The Wikipedia entry for the 52nd Grammy Awards has a list of the nominated persons and attendees.
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    Dec 22, 2009 4:06 PM GMT
    Hm... Buju Banton is not listed. Wikipedia GLBT rights vandal? icon_biggrin.gif
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    Dec 22, 2009 4:31 PM GMT
    Sedative saidHm... Buju Banton is not listed. Wikipedia GLBT rights vandal? icon_biggrin.gif

    Don't think so; there are several categories that have not been fleshed out, including the Reggae category. However, any mention of the controversy is also absent.
  • vindog

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    Dec 22, 2009 4:38 PM GMT


    They forced Ice-T to pull "Cop Killer" off his record, yet this is ok? Thats some BS, for sure.
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    Dec 22, 2009 5:10 PM GMT
    vindog said

    They forced Ice-T to pull "Cop Killer" off his record, yet this is ok? Thats some BS, for sure.


    Cops are heroes, we're just twisted perverts. icon_wink.gif
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    Dec 22, 2009 5:23 PM GMT
    I wonder if they'd blow off the NAACP or Anti-Defamation Leagues artist's KKK-inspired lyrics as his "cultural perspective".
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    Dec 22, 2009 5:24 PM GMT
    I wish the Academy didn't nominate him. I wish the guy didn't exist.

    But you can look at it in another way. Sometimes hatred masquerading as"artistic" freedom should be tolerated. Instead of trying to squash it, let it come out so that society as a whole can see what's out there, and decent people can learn from it.

    You can only challenge and fight an enemy when you are able to identify it. Let them display their ugliness for everyone to see.

    Hopefully, people will feel ashamed about this nomination and in the future will be astonished that such "artistic freedom" was encouraged. Could that be what the Academy means by "historical perspetive".?
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    Dec 22, 2009 5:50 PM GMT
    Well, if this asshole wins the Grammy, I hope somebody takes that statuette and crushes Buju's skull with it. Either that, or the next time he starts to utter such hateful lyrics into a microphone, take the mic and shove it so far down his throat that he chokes to death.

    Poetic justice.
  • vindog

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    Dec 23, 2009 6:27 AM GMT
    KissingPro said

    But you can look at it in another way. Sometimes hatred masquerading as"artistic" freedom should be tolerated. Instead of trying to squash it, let it come out so that society as a whole can see what's out there, and decent people can learn from it.

    You can only challenge and fight an enemy when you are able to identify it. Let them display their ugliness for everyone to see.

    Hopefully, people will feel ashamed about this nomination and in the future will be astonished that such "artistic freedom" was encouraged. Could that be what the Academy means by "historical perspetive".?



    I agree with this. I don't like his lyyrics (or a good amount of messages in lyrics these days), but I wouldn't censor him, like I wouldn't have asked Ice-T to pull the track from his record.

    The think about freedom of speech is that there is always SOMEONE who hates what someone else is saying.
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    Dec 23, 2009 9:19 AM GMT
    vindog saidThe think about freedom of speech is that there is always SOMEONE who hates what someone else is saying.

    This isn't a freedom of speech issue as we're not calling for the government to sanction against him. It's a moral issue, criticizing The Recording Academy on its choice of nominees and its subsequent justification, which rationalizes a call to torture and murder as a socially acceptable "perspective"; and it's not just any target, but a villified minority.

    I sincerely doubt The Recording Academy would nominate a piece reflecting hate toward some other groups such as, say, The Turner Diaries, a Neo-Nazi / Neo-Aryan call to an apocalyptic race war across the US for the "purification" of the Caucasian race; and even it did, I'd question its amoral standing.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 23, 2009 9:42 AM GMT
    metta8 said
    We should block traffic to the grammy's.



    Ahhhh, yes, yet another bright idea to make a nuisance of ourselves and cause problems for people who have absolutely nothing to do with Buju Banton's lyrics. Are you serious? Artists say things in their art that insult and/or attack people all the time. How many gangsta rappers write about cop killing? Not saying it's right, but you cannot have freedom of speech and expression and have it both ways. You don't like what the artist is saying, you don't buy what he/she/they are selling...it's that simple. But to say let's round up a bunch of gays and block traffic to The Grammy's -- the biggest night in the music business -- is just plain asinine. That will not do anything but amplify anti-gay sentiment among those who may not even have had any to start with.
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    Dec 23, 2009 10:30 AM GMT
    I don't get into the Grammy's, but Neil Young will be honored as the 2010 MusiCares Person of the Year, so it can't be all that bad.

    I read the OP's article, but am not sure I agree with the author's position. It would be hypocritical to demand this artist be perma-banned until he cleans up his act, wouldn't it? The last time I checked, we were living in America, not China.

    I say we forget about this Buju character. The more fuel we throw on his fire, the larger the flame becomes. Buju has a few miles to walk before he can claim prominence in this genre, so let time be the judge. Black Uhuru, Peter Tosh, Marley ... there are many more established reggae and calypso artists deserving our attention and listening dollars. Not all were pro-gay, for sure, but few were as openly hateful as Buju.
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    Dec 23, 2009 10:49 AM GMT
    The "lets just ignore it" and the absurd correlation to Ice-T's "Cop Killer" don't fly with me.

    Ice-T belongs to a minority group that dealt with police brutality daily. The song is basically a "Oh yeah? We can do it too!" taunt back to the corrupt police.

    Aside from that you can choose to be a police officer or not. You are not born with a badge affixed to your chest.

    Buju getting a nomination is deplorable. Just ignoring it will NOT solve anything. This has been the de facto stance held by the majority in our community for far too long. Do we keep ignoring it when his lyrics give justification to kill members of our community? Do we keep ignoring it when governments and religious institutions set in motion a genocide against us?

    That sort of passive attitude is part of the problem, not the solution.
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    Dec 23, 2009 11:14 AM GMT
    I appreciate GLAAD's position, and stand by it. That's the way to handle this issue.

    We can boycott, but to call for his silence isn't very American, is it? I don't agree with what he said, but it gets to a point where you have to be more of a man than he is by letting him dig his own hole.

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    Dec 23, 2009 5:10 PM GMT
    GwgTrunks said Do we keep ignoring it when governments and religious institutions set in motion a genocide against us?

    That sort of passive attitude is part of the problem, not the solution.


    Sorry, but I tend to feel you're being just a little melodramatic. I agree these lyrics are deplorable, but as someone else pointed out, we live in America NOT China. We want things like free speech and freedom of expression and, sorry, that doesn't mean it's okay as long as no one slams gays.

    I understand your frustration with what you call "passive attitude", but I disagree that it is part of the problem. I tend to think that reactions that are disruptive and make ourselves a nuisance are actually part of the problem. We have got to find a better way to get our message out and change minds that does not do things like create havoc with traffic in the streets and other nuisances that only piss people off.
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    Dec 23, 2009 5:26 PM GMT
    GwgTrunks said
    vindog said

    They forced Ice-T to pull "Cop Killer" off his record, yet this is ok? Thats some BS, for sure.


    Cops are heroes, we're just twisted perverts. icon_wink.gif
    what about gay cops?
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    Dec 23, 2009 5:26 PM GMT
    This is nothing new in the Jamaican culture. Ever heard TOK's "chi chi man?" Talks about burning gay people (that's the chorus of the song so it's repeated over and over). Wish I could say this surprises me, but it really doesn't.

    I'm not sure Buju even comes close to the popularity of TOK, either.

    Here's some comforting news, besides his statement of course:

    In 2009, due to an outcry around Banton's lyrics promoting attacks on LGBT people, promoters AEG Live and Live Nation, Inc. canceled their shows on Buju Banton's US tour.[11] Later, San Jose would follow suit, when his concert at VooDoo Lounge was canceled by the club's owners.[12]

    In October, 2009, Banton reiterated his homophobic views, saying, "This is a fight, and as I said in one of my songs, 'there is no end to the war between me and faggot' and it's clear."[13] Following Banton's recent nomination for a Grammy Award, LGBT and human rights groups have mounted a protest and a petition was circulated by the groups Change.org and GLAAD.
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    Dec 23, 2009 6:01 PM GMT
    vindog said
    KissingPro said

    But you can look at it in another way. Sometimes hatred masquerading as"artistic" freedom should be tolerated. Instead of trying to squash it, let it come out so that society as a whole can see what's out there, and decent people can learn from it.

    You can only challenge and fight an enemy when you are able to identify it. Let them display their ugliness for everyone to see.

    Hopefully, people will feel ashamed about this nomination and in the future will be astonished that such "artistic freedom" was encouraged. Could that be what the Academy means by "historical perspetive".?



    I agree with this. I don't like his lyyrics (or a good amount of messages in lyrics these days), but I wouldn't censor him, like I wouldn't have asked Ice-T to pull the track from his record.

    The think about freedom of speech is that there is always SOMEONE who hates what someone else is saying.


    Most, if not all freedom of speech and artistic freedom should be allowed in a free society, wheather you like it or not. That's why the government doesn't censure the KKK, or the communist party, or porn, or any of these fringe religious groups.

    I take a broader, more utopian view. A decent society like ours is always evolving and changing and learning from past mistakes. We kinda need these mistakes in order to become better people and as time moves on artists like him, hopefully will be recognized for what they are.

    Its like when I have to deal with abusive or spiteful people. I won't argue with them. I let them display their ugliness for everyone to see.

    There was a time when other types of art/speech denegrading blacks, American Indians, Jews, Catholics, southerners, people with physical/mental problems, etc was widely accepted. But now we know better.

    If we didn't have this freedom, we would be like those strict Muslim countries that treat their people like mindless sheep and tell them what's right and wrong and who to hate and who to love. And the people gladly suck it up, because they don't know any better.

    And protests and indignation of this type of thing is part of the process.

    Maybe I'm crazy, but as I already said, maybe it is, or will be a historical perspective..hopefully in the near future when we measure how far we have come as a society.