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    Dec 22, 2009 7:35 PM GMT
    I was surprised to read that some of you guys have friends who work in pornography, or that you talk about it as though it's just another job. I mean, I am not a saint, I do watch porn. Nonetheless, I would most probably not befriend porn-actors. And if I would, I would try to talk them into getting a more respectful job. I mean, aside from religious reasons there must be non-religious related reasons for not working in this industry right?

    I know I contradict myself, because I support freedom of whatever as long as it doesn't curb someone else's freedom. But how can we fit the concept of freedom with the concept of values and norms? Or do you believe the latter is outdated and conservative?

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  • TexanMan82

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    Dec 22, 2009 7:39 PM GMT
    I think it's best to mind your own business and let people live the way they want. Why should I care if someone wants to do porn? If someone can make money by fucking in front of a camera, have at it.
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    Dec 22, 2009 7:56 PM GMT
    Good to know your friendship means so little.
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    Dec 22, 2009 8:54 PM GMT
    Monir saidI was surprised to read that some of you guys have friends who work in pornography, or that you talk about it as though it's just another job. I mean, I am not a saint, I do watch porn. Nonetheless, I would most probably not befriend porn-actors. And if I would, I would try to talk them into getting a more respectful job. I mean, aside from religious reasons there must be non-religious related reasons for not working in this industry right?

    I know I contradict myself, because I support freedom of whatever as long as it doesn't curb someone else's freedom. But how can we fit the concept of freedom with the concept of values and norms? Or do you believe the latter is outdated and conservative?

    Feel free to post your ideas and comments icon_biggrin.gif


    I don't want you to think this is a personal attack, but after I read what you wrote, I thought: "This sounds like senators who vote down gay marriage then get caught getting blowjobs in airport restrooms. Or people who condemned Bill Clinton for getting a blowjob in the White House, then go fuck around on their wives."

    If you think it's not a respectable profession, then why would you support it by watching it? After all, SOMEONE'S gotta shuck off the jeans.

    Besides, many people are perfectly happy doing it for a living. Some have even aspired to it. So who cares? Personally, I'd love to hang out with some of these guys...they probably have the best party stories...
  • RubiconRider

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    Dec 22, 2009 8:57 PM GMT
    Wow, gotta say I agree w/ JimBob...if you watch porn, it seems pretty hypocritical to look down on those that you're jackin' off to.

    I've known a couple of guys that do (did) porn, and they were both fine, moral men. They just happened to have incredible bodies and no inhibitions about making some cash doin' what they enjoy doin' anyway.
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    Dec 22, 2009 9:02 PM GMT
    Don´t be too rough on the OP... he´s young and from a conservative background.....


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    Dec 22, 2009 9:05 PM GMT
    "Respectful job" is purely subjective.

    Yes, you contradict yourself immensely. Don't point fingers that have been up... well, you know.
  • Timbales

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    Dec 22, 2009 9:07 PM GMT
    I don't agree with the OP, but let's play devil's advocate for a moment. What if we changed the profession from porn to something else.

    Being honest, what profession do you enjoy the fruits of but would most likely not wish to be friends with a person who does it?
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    Dec 22, 2009 9:08 PM GMT
    jimbobthedevil said
    After all, SOMEONE'S gotta shuck off the jeans.


    I personally like when they start off with overalls icon_redface.gif
  • RubiconRider

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    Dec 22, 2009 9:09 PM GMT
    Lostboy saidDon´t be too rough on the OP... he´s young and from a conservative background.....



    Agreed, and personally, that's why I didn't rip into him. icon_wink.gif That said, inconsistencies like that HAVE to be called out.
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    Dec 22, 2009 9:12 PM GMT
    Lostboy saidDon´t be too rough on the OP... he´s young and from a conservative background.....


    Sounds ripe for a career with Sean Cody.
  • RubiconRider

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    Dec 22, 2009 9:18 PM GMT
    makeumyne said
    Lostboy saidDon´t be too rough on the OP... he´s young and from a conservative background.....


    Sounds ripe for a career with Sean Cody.


    ROFLMFAO!!!!!! icon_lol.gif
  • drypin

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    Dec 22, 2009 9:21 PM GMT
    Monir,

    You are perfectly within your rights to befriend whom you will and we all have our limits as to what we can accept from and in the people we call our friends. Every now and again, though, I think it's nice to challenge myself and go outside my comfort zone. Very, very often I find that what seemed so wrong before was just different and scary.

    Yes, in this case "those people" actually get paid for having sex (and without love) in front of the camera. When they choose to do so voluntarily, and even take pride in and get satisfaction from their work, then I'm not going to judge them for it. I'm certain they don't bitch and whine about their jobs any more than my other friends do... maybe less so. In fact, I think the hardest part about being their friend is how irresistibly attractive they probably are.
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    Dec 22, 2009 9:40 PM GMT
    Your post is hereby nominated for the STD (Stupid Thread of the Day) award. As a proud contender, I know you will eagerly wait the midnight bells to find out if you topped your competition. Way to go! icon_rolleyes.gif
  • TexanMan82

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    Dec 22, 2009 9:43 PM GMT
    raindrops said
    While I have nothing against porn or porn stars (I am a consumer), I would never want anyone I genuinely cared about to work in porn. I just don't see what personal fulfillment a person can get working as a porn star. Let's be honest: most people get into it for money, and then bail out as soon as they've amassed enough cash to sustain them before finding other more "respectable" jobs. I also think that by the time one retires from porn, they will have exhausted all of their sense of dignity and self-worth, or resorted to drugs and alcohol to numb feelings of shame and worthlessness. We are only human beings.


    I wouldn't worry about being their friends. I doubt any of them would want to befriend someone who comes across as preachy as you.
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    Dec 22, 2009 9:49 PM GMT
    Wauw, I honestly didn't expect all these "defensive" replies.

    I ll try and answer the least emotional. icon_smile.gif
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    Dec 22, 2009 9:50 PM GMT
    TexanMan82 saidI think it's best to mind your own business and let people live the way they want. Why should I care if someone wants to do porn? If someone can make money by fucking in front of a camera, have at it.


    I assume your first statement concerns me recommending my hypothetical porn-friend a career change... I am sorry to say, but I don't mind my own business when it comes to friends. I believe that as friends you should expect that.

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    Dec 22, 2009 9:52 PM GMT
    TexanMan82 said
    raindrops said
    While I have nothing against porn or porn stars (I am a consumer), I would never want anyone I genuinely cared about to work in porn. I just don't see what personal fulfillment a person can get working as a porn star. Let's be honest: most people get into it for money, and then bail out as soon as they've amassed enough cash to sustain them before finding other more "respectable" jobs. I also think that by the time one retires from porn, they will have exhausted all of their sense of dignity and self-worth, or resorted to drugs and alcohol to numb feelings of shame and worthlessness. We are only human beings.


    I wouldn't worry about being their friends. I doubt any of them would want to befriend someone who comes across as preachy as you.



    I never said I looked down upon them. In fact, I respect them. I only stated the reason I think most people do it, and my concern with the psychological toll it can take on someone. I stand corrected.
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    Dec 22, 2009 9:54 PM GMT
    raindrops said
    Let's be honest: most people get into it for money, and then bail out as soon as they've amassed enough cash to sustain them before finding other more "respectable" jobs. I also think that by the time one retires from porn, they will have exhausted all of their sense of dignity and self-worth, or resorted to drugs and alcohol to numb feelings of shame and worthlessness.


    Let's be honest: unless you're independently wealthy you got into your job for money, and you'll bail if you find something better.

    Most of us in "respectable" professions have sometimes had to do things that impacted our sense of dignity and self-worth. Some even resort to drugs or alcohol.
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    Dec 22, 2009 9:56 PM GMT
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    raindrops said
    Let's be honest: most people get into it for money, and then bail out as soon as they've amassed enough cash to sustain them before finding other more "respectable" jobs. I also think that by the time one retires from porn, they will have exhausted all of their sense of dignity and self-worth, or resorted to drugs and alcohol to numb feelings of shame and worthlessness.


    Let's be honest: unless you're independently wealthy you got into your job for money, and you'll bail if you find something better.

    Most of us in "respectable" professions have sometimes had to do things that impacted our sense of dignity and self-worth. Some even resort to drugs or alcohol.



    So you're saying that most porn stars got into porn out of a love for it?
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    Dec 22, 2009 9:58 PM GMT
    jimbobthedevil said
    Monir saidI was surprised to read that some of you guys have friends who work in pornography, or that you talk about it as though it's just another job. I mean, I am not a saint, I do watch porn. Nonetheless, I would most probably not befriend porn-actors. And if I would, I would try to talk them into getting a more respectful job. I mean, aside from religious reasons there must be non-religious related reasons for not working in this industry right?

    I know I contradict myself, because I support freedom of whatever as long as it doesn't curb someone else's freedom. But how can we fit the concept of freedom with the concept of values and norms? Or do you believe the latter is outdated and conservative?

    Feel free to post your ideas and comments icon_biggrin.gif


    I don't want you to think this is a personal attack, but after I read what you wrote, I thought: "This sounds like senators who vote down gay marriage then get caught getting blowjobs in airport restrooms. Or people who condemned Bill Clinton for getting a blowjob in the White House, then go fuck around on their wives."

    If you think it's not a respectable profession, then why would you support it by watching it? After all, SOMEONE'S gotta shuck off the jeans.

    Besides, many people are perfectly happy doing it for a living. Some have even aspired to it. So who cares? Personally, I'd love to hang out with some of these guys...they probably have the best party stories...



    Thanks for your reply jimbobthedevil. I don't consider critisism as a personal attack, so don't worry.

    But to give some nuance to my post, I, unlike those senators and other active condemners, do not actively condemn porn or its actors. And I am open about watching porn. I think better comparisons might be; smokers who know smoking is bad, condamn it now and then and continue to smoke. (You can replace "smokers" by "alcoholics" or "overeaters".)



  • coyler

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    Dec 22, 2009 9:59 PM GMT
    I think it's quite an honest job it's more honest than being a banker! I wouldn't mind being friends with a porn star as long as they are a nice person - dating one would be different - but i'm the jealous kind icon_confused.gif
  • sportsjockla

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    Dec 22, 2009 10:00 PM GMT
    My roommate used to work in the porn industry until he got fired. How you get fired from a dead end job is anyone's guess. His friends are either porn stars or work in porn. They are all into drugs, and will fuck a light socket if given the chance. I do watch porn also, but I agree with you. I think its not a good job. My roommate (soon former) thinks it was a great career move. He's not real bright. LOL
  • TexanMan82

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    Dec 22, 2009 10:02 PM GMT
    Monir said
    TexanMan82 saidI think it's best to mind your own business and let people live the way they want. Why should I care if someone wants to do porn? If someone can make money by fucking in front of a camera, have at it.


    I assume your first statement concerns me recommending my hypothetical porn-friend a career change... I am sorry to say, but I don't mind my own business when it comes to friends. I believe that as friends you should expect that.



    I don't expect my friends to meddle in my business unless my life is at risk somehow. I expect them to respect the decisions I've made as an adult. If I want to have sex in front of a camera, that's my prerogative.
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    Dec 22, 2009 10:03 PM GMT
    Monir saidI was surprised to read that some of you guys have friends who work in pornography, or that you talk about it as though it's just another job. I mean, I am not a saint, I do watch porn. Nonetheless, I would most probably not befriend porn-actors. And if I would, I would try to talk them into getting a more respectful job. I mean, aside from religious reasons there must be non-religious related reasons for not working in this industry right?

    I know I contradict myself, because I support freedom of whatever as long as it doesn't curb someone else's freedom. But how can we fit the concept of freedom with the concept of values and norms? Or do you believe the latter is outdated and conservative?

    Feel free to post your ideas and comments icon_biggrin.gif


    If you are going to watch porn, there has to be porn actors. You can't watch porn without porn actors. If you don't want people doing this kind of work, then you shouldn't be watching porn either. If you don't think it's respectful for actors to do porn, then it's not respectful of you to watch it either. They wouldn't be doing porn, if there wasn't a desire to view it.