OBAMA wins the primary. What this could mean for Gay America

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    Jan 04, 2008 5:21 AM GMT
    So big O won the primary with Edwards coming in second and Hillary coming in a surprising third.

    None of the candidates appear to be for same sex marriage, and all dems seem to stand more or less on the same page. Most seem to be for civil unions including Obama. Here are some links on Obama for those of you who don't know what he's about heres a small taste.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Barack_Obama
    http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid50021.asp
    http://www.365gay.com/Newscon07/10/103007obama.htm
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    Jan 04, 2008 6:06 AM GMT
    Thanks for the info. on Obama, I actually think this guy would do a good job for America, and hopefully reverse all of the bushies afronts to our freedoms, our constitutional seperations of power between the congress, the judiciary and the executive, (president)our standing in the world, and end the policies forcing a majority of poor in our nation, give us national health care, an educational system where everyone has an opportunity to attend college or some training in the trades, and end the problems "FAIRLY" for the illegals in the country. (no rounding them up like cattle as the "christian right" seems to want) and I think gays would get reasonable and fair legislation for partnership rights, as married have.
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    Jan 04, 2008 2:19 PM GMT
    I believe Obama is for gay marriage but cannot say it publicly. He said he would repeal the Defense of Marriage Act opening up federal protections to gays in states like Mass that decide to legalize same-sex marriage.

    Obama is also a member of the United Church of Christ which accepts gays and lesbians and endorses marriage for them.
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    Jan 04, 2008 3:53 PM GMT
    From what I know of it, the UCC is a decent, fair-minded church. If I were Christian I'd be comfortable there.
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    Jan 04, 2008 3:59 PM GMT
    If Obama is so great for gays, why did he throw us under the bus in SC in order to pander to evangelical blacks? Donnie McClurkin is a hatemonger, and the fact that Obama put him front and center anyway is more disgusting than I have the words to describe. He lost my support because of it, and will never get it back...
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    Jan 04, 2008 4:05 PM GMT
    Thanks, jarhead. I'm thinking the same thing. McClurkin is an ex-gay whacko. Obama is naive enough to believe that gays can be cured as is evidenced by his comfort with McClurkin on his gospel tour. Speaking of which, I don't want my presidential candidate courting voters in any way associated with anyone's gospel, christian or otherwise. He can shove his gospel up his ass.
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    Jan 04, 2008 4:06 PM GMT
    Because he is like nearly all modern candidates icon_wink.gif

    They only speak what the people want to hear so they get elected.
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    Jan 04, 2008 4:15 PM GMT
    Good Lord, when did everyone buy into this "all politicians are evil" crap? That's the essence of the Republican worldview. All government is bad, everyone who participates in it is evil, stupid, inept, or all three.

    It's a job like any other. Perversely, it's a job where we somehow consider it a VIRTUE that our politicans have no experience. Washington insider = bad / Yeoman farmer who comes to town to fix the mess that the corrupt insiders left = good.

    That's the stuff of right-wing fantasy.

    Would you prefer a dentist right out of school or one who's yanked a few teeth before he gets around to fiddling around with your mouth?
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    Jan 04, 2008 4:21 PM GMT
    oh my god

    Read the article from the advocate on there jarhead and mcgay. I don't think anyone has been thrown under the bus. Do you want him to polarize the whole situation? do you want him to cut ties with anyone who thinks differently? What is that going to do for public discourse?
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    Jan 04, 2008 4:24 PM GMT
    A Dentist who's been around doesn't stand in a position to take money and modify their policy to suit the industry.

    Just look at the history of who once flag waving supported Iraq, and now denounces it when its unpopular (Hillary)

    Obama seems an agent of change, his lack of experience in that way seems better off than Hillary's history with industry and the military thanks to her husband.
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    Jan 04, 2008 4:24 PM GMT
    Sickofthesame--

    This is not merely a difference of opinion, like choosing among different plans for withdrawing from Iraq, or discussing whether to cut taxes or spending. This goes to a fundamental issue of how expendable he thinks we are. And I trust what people do far more than what they say. And what he DID, as Jarhead says, felt like betrayal.
  • jarhead5536

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    Jan 04, 2008 4:29 PM GMT
    sickofthesame-

    It's the betrayal! Obama was on our side, then dumped when it was politically convenient to do so. That's worse than being a blatant homophobe from the beginning...
  • irishboxers

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    Jan 04, 2008 4:37 PM GMT
    Um, guys...it's ONE primary. Howard Dean won Iowa last time and he isn't the President. There's a lot of ground to cover between yesterday and the convention.

    Simmah down now...
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    Jan 04, 2008 5:00 PM GMT
    irishboxers saidUm, guys...it's ONE primary. Howard Dean won Iowa last time and he isn't the President. There's a lot of ground to cover between yesterday and the convention.

    Simmah down now...



    THANK YOU! Seriously. The Iowa caucus is but ONE primary, calm the fuck down people. Don't count anyone out yet....
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    Jan 04, 2008 5:04 PM GMT
    Again, Dean did not win Iowa. Kerry won Iowa after Dean and Gephardt punched each other out with their attack ads.
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    Jan 04, 2008 5:43 PM GMT
    A caucus is not a primary.
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    Jan 04, 2008 5:53 PM GMT
    jarhead5536 saidsickofthesame-

    It's the betrayal! Obama was on our side, then dumped when it was politically convenient to do so. That's worse than being a blatant homophobe from the beginning...


    He hasn't dumped a single thing! Good grief. And many evangelicals don't understand gays at the very core. So what should we gays do? Shun them? That'll work. Reaching out to everyone isn't approving of their message. And like Obama said, he wasn't his spokesperson, he was a singer. Get over it!
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    Jan 04, 2008 5:56 PM GMT
    Obama gave a 30 minute platfrom to McCluckin to spout his antigay venom to raucus applause and hallelujahs from the crowd. When Obama gives that same to a Michelangelo Signorile or similar, I'll get over it.
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    Jan 04, 2008 6:01 PM GMT
    i'd love to read the transcript if you have it. (that was serious, not sarcasm or anything.)
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    Jan 04, 2008 6:32 PM GMT
    irishboxers saidUm, guys...it's ONE primary. Howard Dean won Iowa last time and he isn't the President. There's a lot of ground to cover between yesterday and the convention.


    Dean didn't win anything. Not Iowa, not New Hampshire, nothing, as Chewey_Delt kindly pointed out twice.

    And this isn't one primary. The effects of this caucus will shake up things in the first two primaries in NH and SC. If Obama wins those (and he is very competitive in both) he has won the whole show. This is not a 50 state game as you seem to indicate. Read the wiki on primaries to get a better understanding of how this process works.
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    Jan 04, 2008 7:11 PM GMT
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    Jan 04, 2008 10:00 PM GMT
    I think the point that this is a caucus and not a primary is a very important one, because the Iowa caucus is an entirely different animal than a normal primary. I would be very interested to see what would have happened in Iowa if it had been a straight vote like they do in the Republican caucus, but those results are not recorded. While it's true that the person who has won the Iowa caucus has, in a majority of elections, gone on to get the nod, that's not necessarily true. Hillary still stands a very good shot at winning this, especially since she continues to lead in New Hampshire.

    Whatever happens, it's an exciting time to be a Democrat, in my opinion. While I don't prefer Obama, I know that I will damn well vote for him if he gets the nomination. Both he and Edwards, while not my first choice, are really great candidates. I hope that Hillary wins, but in lieu of her I'd vote for Obama in a second.
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    Jan 04, 2008 11:31 PM GMT
    Chewey_Delt said I would be very interested to see what would have happened in Iowa if it had been a straight vote like they do in the Republican caucus, but those results are not recorded.


    Poll fiend to the rescue!

    Entrance polls found the following numbers
    Obama 35%, Hillary 27%, Edwards 23%

    So, Edwards got a 7% bump to Obama and Clinton who got 2% each.

    This is some sport.
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    Jan 05, 2008 4:17 AM GMT
    I'm very skeptical of entrance polls, as well as exit polls, normally. Those are interesting numbers and perhaps more trustworthy considering the spread, but I would never put stake in an entrance poll.

    That being said, I suppose it's all there is to go on.