McCain ad on Real Jock

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    Jan 04, 2008 2:18 PM GMT
    Just saw a John McCain ad on here, so naturally I clicked it so the bastard republicans can support gays financially. It must be another error like the romney ads on gay.com and the U.S. military on GLEE.com

    I just can't wait to see some Huckabee and Alan Keyes ads on here, I'd click away.
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    Jan 04, 2008 10:18 PM GMT
    Hey! I'm a Republican, but last time I checked I'm not a bastard.
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    Jan 04, 2008 10:23 PM GMT
    You should check againicon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 04, 2008 10:26 PM GMT
    No offense, but I've found that pretty much every Gay Republican has some sort of personality disorder.
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    Jan 04, 2008 10:31 PM GMT
    Believe it or not, we're a diverse bunch (all the colors of the rainbow).
    It's a shame that what passes for debate around here is nothing but childish name calling as evidenced above.
    Carry on...I'm out.
  • jarhead5536

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    Jan 04, 2008 11:06 PM GMT
    Ouch...
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    Jan 04, 2008 11:19 PM GMT
    I'm not doing any name-calling here, USMMM, I just want to know how you feel about associating politically with a group of people who despise you. This is a serious question.
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    Jan 05, 2008 1:20 AM GMT
    Hippie, et al,

    USMmmm is right...anyone who supports anything Republican or Libertarian is vehemently attacked on here...much harsher than how you (Hippie) are ridiculed and attacked when you bring up animal (i.e. PETA issues)...

    It parallels the same intense contempt the Religious Right demonstrates toward homosexuals...

    If we can't engage in discourse without summarily stereotyping, labeling, and "grouping" people, what good does it do in moving people on issues? People listen to and are influenced by those they respect.

    Re: John McCain ad

    Perhaps McCain is attempting to reach out to the "gay" community.

    FYI: It was John McCain who gave the eulogy for Mark Bingham (Flight 93 hero who happened to be gay)...

    I'm not a Republican but what purpose does "...John McCain...bastard republicans..." serve?

    Seems to me that it further marginalizes us and grows the partisan divide.

    Just a thought...
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    Jan 05, 2008 1:45 AM GMT
    I think what we're looking for is how gay republicans are able to resolve a glaring conflict...namely, protecting their own well being in the face of the republican plaform of the past thirty years, which does not seem to support equal rights for gay folks and perpetuates your marginalization from society.

    You may choose to address the above statement, or the following:

    What in that f*cked up brain of yours trumps your own goddamn survival?

    (yeah...just got back from MA/NY where I'm treated with respect and am looking around at this ass-backwards placed called Texas with great frustration)
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    Jan 05, 2008 2:07 AM GMT
    I agree with those people that have a difficult time understanding how someone can be gay and Republican. What I do understand is that if you happen to live in a mostly Republican area you don't have a choice really. Here in Philly if one is not a Democrat you don't get to vote for the local offices because they are decided in the primaries which are not open to all, just registered Democrats.

    Having said that ever since the Republican party started pandering to the religious right many moderates have switched to the Democratic Party and close-in suburbs have started to become more Democratic.

    The Republican Party used to stand for fiscal restraint which was the center of their platforms, now its social conservativeness which has become to mean exclusively white middle class bible thumping anti-diverse closed minded irrational ideology.

    Frank
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    Jan 05, 2008 2:14 AM GMT
    Rugger,

    Come on, "survival?" Isn't that a bit over the top (dramatic)?

    "Survival" is when you're in Islamic Fundamentalist countries where the pecking order is nothing "trumps" a gay guy getting the ax, not even being Jewish. I've got first-hand experience "surviving" that.

    "Platform?" How much of the "Platform" does either political party achieve once its in office? I'm more interested in results.

    And, like the Democrats have delivered on "equal rights for gay folks for the past thrity years?" Where have you been living?

    Talk is cheap...results (new legislation and effective laws) are built on relationships and goodwill.

    Parisan divide = gridlock
    Building relationships = action

    If you want to win (get what you want), play the game strategically.


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    Jan 05, 2008 2:20 AM GMT
    Yes, dramatic. So what? Can't handle drama? Then go lock yourself in a gated community.

    Besides, as long as there are people who want us eliminated (or reduced in numbers gradually over time), and who currently have political power, I believe survival is an appropriate word. Iowa republicans just backed Huckabee. Look him up. He's got some pretty dramatic ideas about gay folks. He's also the fashionable choice for the GOP right now.

    Sorry about the middle east thing. Guess what...both situations suck. But I believe this thread is addressing the American political system. Start a middle east thread if you want. No matter what awful things are going on in the world, that doesn't invalidate our problems here at home. I'm sorry for what you went through, but the "I had it worse" card doesn't play well in a debate (unless you're trying to win people over on character).
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    Jan 05, 2008 2:29 AM GMT
    Then the libertarian wing either needs to work harder or cut loose, because right now, Libertarians are getting steamrolled.
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    Jan 05, 2008 2:31 AM GMT
    Gay and libertarian I can understand. But some of these republican candidates for gays are akin to a black person voted for a klansman or a Jew for a Nazi. Some of these right wing republicans like Alan Keyes and Huckabee would likely reinstate the death penalty for gays. These guys are nuts!
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    Jan 05, 2008 2:34 AM GMT
    haha I'm Republican and I recently dropped Guiliani and Huckabee is OVERLY godly so strangely, somehow, I am now behind McCain OMFG!
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    Jan 05, 2008 3:03 AM GMT
    Hey Rugger,

    Re: "gated community"...unlikely, I don't do well in those...

    Re: "Middle East" ... I was addressing "survival" (not looking for empathy nor playing an "I had it worse card" re: experience...I'm a big boy..., just a point of reference for the spectrum of "survival" in our discourse)

    Re: Huckabee? It appears the evangelicals swept him into the winner's spot along with the anti-machine sentiment toward Romney...I have a distaste for both but can sway more folks by engaging them in dialogue vs. demagoguery (which is my point...strategy and tactics) Huckabee as the "fashionable choice of the GOP?" Take a look at who is leading the national polls = Giuliani (the only candidate that has appeared in drag in public)

    Re: my question about what have Democrats done for gay folks over the past thirty years? Why didn't you take a shot at answering that one?

    I'm glad there are Republicans who happen to be gay, and that the Log Cabin Republicans continue to try to move that Party in the face of ridicule and ostracism. If that element of the Party did not exist, my worry would be heightened significantly.

    Again, my point is simply this, there is a more effective way to engage the opposition, no matter what side one is on.
  • metta

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    Jan 05, 2008 3:11 AM GMT
    I have a couple friends that are gay Republicans. From talking with them, the thing that I have found is that they are not always honest with themselves. I'm not saying that all gay Republicans are this way. But the ones that I personally know are. If you are not honest with yourself, how can you be honest with other people. The ones that I know or have known choose to believe things that are not true. For example, one of them belives that the Clintons murdered people to get money....something he read in a book. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Another one, that I am no longer friends with, is a born again Christian and will tell people how disgusting and permiscuous gays are and he tried to sexually attack me. That was the last time I would spend time with him. When his Mom told him that she knew he was gay and that it was ok. He freaked out and tried to change the subject. He saw being gay as something that was dirty and did not want his family to accept it.



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    Jan 05, 2008 3:16 AM GMT
    I what Bill Clinton again in White House so he can eat fat bitches pussy and we can all have good economics again! icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 05, 2008 3:24 AM GMT
    veniceman

    "Re: my question about what have Democrats done for gay folks over the past thirty years? Why didn't you take a shot at answering that one?"

    They may not have done as much as I would have liked, but it's what they haven't resorted to, the rhetoric they haven't used, the hateful pricks they haven't courted for votes, etc.

    But you certainly make a valid point. Their sh*t stinks too, but far less. At least they're not empowering hateful bogits by validating their sickening ideas.
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    Jan 05, 2008 4:01 AM GMT
    Rugger,

    I understand where you're coming from...and am not in much disagreement with your point of view...

    I also take your point that "their (Democrats) sh**t stinks far less"...along with the "empowering bigots..." comment...

    I want to change the Republican Party as much as anyone...although its entrenched, there are cracks that can be taken advantage of...

    And, if it's true that something has to "hit bottom" before it changes, maybe the Republican Party has bottomed out with the current administration...

    ;-)


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    Jan 05, 2008 3:33 PM GMT
    I think Log Cabin Republicans is an important organization, I mean I don't like the republican positions on most issues but there still needs to be a group of those who do who are looking to reform the party on gay rights. It is a hard fight but some republicans are equality minded and I think the number will grow when the younger generation gets into power.
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    Jan 09, 2008 3:20 AM GMT
    Senator John McCain will make a fine president. I'm a McCain volunteer here in Ohio. Being gay doesn't have to mean Democrat. What moron made up that rule? I'll always vote for the Republicans.
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    Jan 12, 2008 2:10 AM GMT
    So, you'll always hang out with people who hate you for what you are and wish you'd go back into the closet, or get AIDS and die (as Michael Savage told a gay caller.)

    I wouldn't have YOUR life for anything.
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    Jan 12, 2008 4:26 AM GMT
    Being republican to me as a gay person seems totally counter productive. Republican Idealogy is inherently at odds with being gay which precludes being liberal, I would think being a gay republican would be a "HARD" life. LOL !!!!! (but on the serious side of it, republicans like any other group are not all evil, or bastards)
  • SkyMiles

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    Jan 12, 2008 4:44 AM GMT
    Heh, yeah, they'll ALWAYS take your vote and your money. Will they represent your interests; your health, safety and wellfare? NOT a FREAKIN' chance!

    I know quite a few Republicans (not gay) that are awesome guys but are, I think, horribly blinded by right-wing, self-perpetuating ideology.

    As for gay Repubs, I don't get it. How can you support a party whose platform is to KILL you!
    No one should ever forget that it was Reagan who deliberatly ignored AIDS, refused to fund prevention or developing a response specifically because the disease was, in his view, killing people who didn't matter.