"Think for yourself even if you stand alone" Is the above quote possible?

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    Dec 28, 2009 7:40 PM GMT
    "Think for yourself even if you stand alone"

    Is it possible to follow the line above, even if you speak a language you did not invent, or subscribe to outdated greek philosophy of male gender roles?
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    Dec 28, 2009 9:48 PM GMT
    Great quote words that I live by!icon_biggrin.gif
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    Dec 28, 2009 9:51 PM GMT
    Ducky46 saidGreat quote words that I live by!icon_biggrin.gif


    please elaborate
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    Dec 28, 2009 9:54 PM GMT
    Ducky46 saidGreat quote words that I live by!icon_biggrin.gif


    I try to live by it as well. To a point.

    So many people I'm close with take this too literally. I see it more as a goal, and definitely not an absolute. It is definitely impossible - but a great reminder to use critical thinking in every situation you face.

    It is NOT a warning against everything in popular culture. It does NOT say that the masses are always wrong. To some "thinking for yourself" means proving that you are above everybody else. If one truly tries to think for them self, they can choose what to like and dislike, accept and reject. There is no need for a facade of individuality in taste.
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    Dec 28, 2009 9:57 PM GMT
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    Dec 28, 2009 10:01 PM GMT
    I think it's the reminder to self-reflect. So much of what we do is automatic, thinking for yourself means understanding how *you* got to where *you* are, as a member of society and in a certain culture, and not just accepting that as a member of society as part of a certain culture that you're own notions are always correct.

    So, yes, I think it's possible
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    Dec 28, 2009 10:01 PM GMT
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    Ducky46 saidGreat quote words that I live by!icon_biggrin.gif


    I try to live by it as well. To a point.

    So many people I'm close with take this too literally. I see it more as a goal, and definitely not an absolute. It is definitely impossible - but a great reminder to use critical thinking in every situation you face.

    It is NOT a warning against everything in popular culture. It does NOT say that the masses are always wrong. To some "thinking for yourself" means proving that you are above everybody else. If one truly tries to think for them self, they can choose what to like and dislike, accept and reject. There is no need for a facade of individuality in taste.


    my point is, do you subscribe to the quote because you genuinely stand alone in the world or are you Just applying another fad?
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    Dec 28, 2009 10:02 PM GMT
    pandx970 saidI think it's the reminder to self-reflect. So much of what we do is automatic, thinking for yourself means understanding how *you* got to where *you* are, as a member of society and in a certain culture, and not just accepting that as a member of society as part of a certain culture that you're own notions are always correct.

    So, yes, I think it's possible

    even if you subscribe to outdated greek male gender roles?
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    Dec 28, 2009 10:03 PM GMT
    free_spirit09 said
    my point is, do you subscribe to the quote because you genuinely stand alone in the world or are you Just applying another fad?


    That is what I was exploring in my post...
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    Dec 28, 2009 10:04 PM GMT
    Words I live by:
    ThePenIsMyTier said If one truly tries to think for them self, they can choose what to like and dislike, accept and reject.
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    Dec 28, 2009 10:09 PM GMT
    ThePenIsMyTier said
    free_spirit09 said
    my point is, do you subscribe to the quote because you genuinely stand alone in the world or are you Just applying another fad?


    That is what I was exploring in my post...


    please elaborate
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    Dec 28, 2009 10:11 PM GMT
    bernd saidWords I live by:
    ThePenIsMyTier said If one truly tries to think for them self, they can choose what to like and dislike, accept and reject.


    Is not thinking for yourself, include shedding your learned predilections and using your own words from scratch?
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    Dec 28, 2009 10:11 PM GMT
    free_spirit09 said
    ThePenIsMyTier said
    free_spirit09 said
    my point is, do you subscribe to the quote because you genuinely stand alone in the world or are you Just applying another fad?


    That is what I was exploring in my post...


    please elaborate


    See: Aforementioned post.
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    Dec 28, 2009 10:12 PM GMT
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    bernd saidWords I live by:
    ThePenIsMyTier said If one truly tries to think for them self, they can choose what to like and dislike, accept and reject.


    Is not thinking for yourself, include shedding your learned predilections and using your own words from scratch?



    lol, so we know Free_spirit does it out of fad, and instinct.

    I do believe that we must own our words. But I do not own that string of words in a literal sense. He examined my thought and agreed with it. That absolutely agrees with the quote itself, and his following it.
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    Dec 28, 2009 10:16 PM GMT
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    bernd saidWords I live by:
    ThePenIsMyTier said If one truly tries to think for them self, they can choose what to like and dislike, accept and reject.


    Is not thinking for yourself, include shedding your learned predilections and using your own words from scratch?



    lol, so we know Free_spirit does it out of fad, and instinct.

    I do believe that we must own our words. But I do not own that string of words in a literal sense. He examined my thought and agreed with it. That absolutely agrees with the quote itself, and his following it.


    I do not stand alone out of fad and that is not my quote, you totally missed the context in which I was speaking because you failed to read the full thread
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    Dec 28, 2009 10:17 PM GMT
    It's pretty difficult to think for yourself, unless you turn off the TV and limit your exposure to mass media. Those guys are pretty skilled at programming us.
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    Dec 28, 2009 10:20 PM GMT
    The point that I am trying to show is that some people who live by that quote cannot do so literally, obviously because we speak a language, that we individually did not create, so the implied question was can someone truly stand alone and think for oneself when you subscribe to another or multiple ideology, most people don't although they claim to, for standing alone and thinking for oneself would involve the creation of your own jargon and conventions and not regurjitation
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    Dec 28, 2009 10:31 PM GMT
    free_spirit09 saidThe point that I am trying to show is that some people who live by that quote cannot do so literally, obviously because we speak a language, that we individually did not create, so the implied question was can someone truly stand alone and think for oneself when you subscribe to another or multiple ideology, most people don't although they claim to, for standing alone and thinking for oneself would involve the creation of your own jargon and conventions and not regurjitation
    I'm no philosopher and I don't like to think in absolutes because those can hardly ever be applied to real life. You seem to want a purely academical discussion on a philosophical concept.

    Are you trying to do research for a paper you have to write?
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    Dec 28, 2009 10:32 PM GMT
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    free_spirit09 saidThe point that I am trying to show is that some people who live by that quote cannot do so literally, obviously because we speak a language, that we individually did not create, so the implied question was can someone truly stand alone and think for oneself when you subscribe to another or multiple ideology, most people don't although they claim to, for standing alone and thinking for oneself would involve the creation of your own jargon and conventions and not regurjitation
    I'm no philosopher and I don't like to think in absolutes because those can hardly ever be applied to real life. You seem to want a purely academical discussion on a philosophical concept.

    Are you trying to do research for a paper you have to write?


    Who said I was thinking in absolutes?
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    Dec 28, 2009 10:36 PM GMT
    Yea great quote... I wonder who came up with it... Hmmm I wonder...I also think a certain somebody should follow it.. Especially after our last conversation. In which he couldn't use words, or feelings of his owns but others... Now I wonder who that could have been.. Hmm.

    And why are you still sounding so guilty about that stuff anyway? lol

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    Dec 28, 2009 10:38 PM GMT
    IHG84 saidYea great quote... I wonder who came up with it... Hmmm I wonder...I also think a certain somebody should follow it.. Especially after our last conversation. In which he couldn't use words, or feelings of his owns but others... Now I wonder who that could have been.. Hmm.


    No price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
    Friedrich Nietzsche


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    Dec 28, 2009 10:38 PM GMT
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    bernd said
    free_spirit09 saidThe point that I am trying to show is that some people who live by that quote cannot do so literally, obviously because we speak a language, that we individually did not create, so the implied question was can someone truly stand alone and think for oneself when you subscribe to another or multiple ideology, most people don't although they claim to, for standing alone and thinking for oneself would involve the creation of your own jargon and conventions and not regurjitation
    I'm no philosopher and I don't like to think in absolutes because those can hardly ever be applied to real life. You seem to want a purely academical discussion on a philosophical concept.

    Are you trying to do research for a paper you have to write?


    Who said I was thinking in absolutes?
    Don't you?
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    bernd said
    free_spirit09 said
    bernd said
    free_spirit09 saidThe point that I am trying to show is that some people who live by that quote cannot do so literally, obviously because we speak a language, that we individually did not create, so the implied question was can someone truly stand alone and think for oneself when you subscribe to another or multiple ideology, most people don't although they claim to, for standing alone and thinking for oneself would involve the creation of your own jargon and conventions and not regurjitation
    I'm no philosopher and I don't like to think in absolutes because those can hardly ever be applied to real life. You seem to want a purely academical discussion on a philosophical concept.

    Are you trying to do research for a paper you have to write?


    Who said I was thinking in absolutes?
    Don't you?


    You are taking what I said out of context
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    Dec 28, 2009 10:42 PM GMT
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    IHG84 saidYea great quote... I wonder who came up with it... Hmmm I wonder...I also think a certain somebody should follow it.. Especially after our last conversation. In which he couldn't use words, or feelings of his owns but others... Now I wonder who that could have been.. Hmm.


    No price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
    Friedrich Nietzsche





    Boring dude, all you do is quote the same guy over and over.. Its a shame you don't truly understand it, or anything else with what you've expressed to me... Looks like you're in need of attention, and you go about getting it the wrong way... Grow up and be a man, not a child.

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    Dec 28, 2009 10:44 PM GMT
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    free_spirit09 said
    IHG84 saidYea great quote... I wonder who came up with it... Hmmm I wonder...I also think a certain somebody should follow it.. Especially after our last conversation. In which he couldn't use words, or feelings of his owns but others... Now I wonder who that could have been.. Hmm.


    No price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
    Friedrich Nietzsche





    Boring dude, all you do is quote the same guy over and over.. Its a shame you don't truly understand it, or anything else with what you've expressed to me... Looks like you're in need of attention, and you go about getting it the wrong way... Grow up and be a man, not a child.



    Let me guess you are the pure definition of man, what don't you try maturing and stop be so narcissistic, you are a bully in an empty shell called masculinity