“God is dead: but considering the state Man is in, there will perhaps be caves, for ages yet, in which his shadow will be shown.”

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    do you agree with the following:

    “God is dead: but considering the state Man is in, there will perhaps be caves, for ages yet, in which his shadow will be shown.”
    Friedrich Nietzsche
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    free_spirit09 saiddo you agree with the following:

    “God is dead: but considering the state Man is in, there will perhaps be caves, for ages yet, in which his shadow will be shown.”
    Friedrich Nietzsche



    Nietzsche reference of the "CAVES" is directed towards the church, synagogue, or a sect! so as long as they exist "God is dead"!!! God is not an institution, as such a place of worship is NOT a refuge to seek God's love for its creation or its destruction.

    In my own personal opinion God has no connection nor a valuable existence in the eyes of men! while man have a tendency to condemn anything that moves God condone everything he has created! for starters "GOD" is creation as we know it, scientifically or otherwise.

    God is merely a state of conscientiousness. Human beings involves in many levels of consciousness, and every level is equally valuable, good or bad, both are necessary for one's own healthy spiritual growth!

    Conclusion: The church is the opposite of God, therefore God indeed is dead to anyone who believes organized religions knows the intentions or the word of God. God's word is written in the kindness of your heart, and not in the kind words of a fairytale book or scriptures.



    ♥ Leandro ♥
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    free_spirit09 saiddo you agree with the following:

    “God is dead: but considering the state Man is in, there will perhaps be caves, for ages yet, in which his shadow will be shown.”
    Friedrich Nietzsche


    I'll agree on one thing - Nietzsche was an ass
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    free_spirit09 saiddo you agree with the following:

    “God is dead: but considering the state Man is in, there will perhaps be caves, for ages yet, in which his shadow will be shown.”
    Friedrich Nietzsche


    I'll agree on one thing - Nietzsche was an ass



    I agree! Nietzsche is no better then a religious person who believes it knows the existence of God.I believe that atheists are just a fanatical and self-righteous as a religious person.


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    free_spirit09 saiddo you agree with the following:

    “God is dead: but considering the state Man is in, there will perhaps be caves, for ages yet, in which his shadow will be shown.”
    Friedrich Nietzsche


    I'll agree on one thing - Nietzsche was an ass



    When asses are needed.-- You will never get the crowd to cry Hosanna until you ride into town on an ass.

    from Nietzsche's Assorted Opinions and Maxims,s. 313, R.J. Hollingdale transl.

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    Blondizgd said
    free_spirit09 saiddo you agree with the following:

    “God is dead: but considering the state Man is in, there will perhaps be caves, for ages yet, in which his shadow will be shown.”
    Friedrich Nietzsche


    I'll agree on one thing - Nietzsche was an ass



    I agree! Nietzsche is no better then a religious person who believes it knows the existence of God.I believe that atheists are just a fanatical and self-righteous as a religious person.


    ♥ Leandro ♥


    A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.
    Friedrich Nietzsche
    At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid.
    Friedrich Nietzsche
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    free_spirit09 saiddo you agree with the following:

    “God is dead: but considering the state Man is in, there will perhaps be caves, for ages yet, in which his shadow will be shown.”
    Friedrich Nietzsche


    I think most atheists would disagree with this because they don't beleive that God ever lived for him to even die.
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    ALEZANDER said (man did he ever)

    "In my own personal opinion God has no connection nor a valuable existence in the eyes of men! While man has a tendency to condemn anything that moves, God condones everything he has created! For starters "GOD" is creation as we know it, scientifically or otherwise.

    God is merely a state of conscientiousness.(that's absolutely beautiful! -Doug) Human beings involves in many levels of consciousness, and every level is equally valuable, good or bad, both are necessary for one's own healthy spiritual growth!

    Conclusion: The church is the opposite of God, therefore God indeed is dead to anyone who believes organized religions knows the intentions or the word of God. God's word is written in the kindness of your heart(I loved this too), and not in the kind words of a fairytale book or scriptures."



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    free_spirit09 saiddo you agree with the following:

    “God is dead: but considering the state Man is in, there will perhaps be caves, for ages yet, in which his shadow will be shown.”
    Friedrich Nietzsche


    I'll agree on one thing - Nietzsche was an ass


    He was well known as being quite an ass, so I don;';t put much stock in him. He was looking to make millions off of people's gullabillity.
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    free_spirit09 saiddo you agree with the following:

    “God is dead: but considering the state Man is in, there will perhaps be caves, for ages yet, in which his shadow will be shown.”
    Friedrich Nietzsche


    I think most atheists would disagree with this because they don't beleive that God ever lived for him to even die.


    You, so blatantly miss the context of the statement.
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    meninlove said ALEZANDER said (man did he ever)

    "In my own personal opinion God has no connection nor a valuable existence in the eyes of men! While man has a tendency to condemn anything that moves, God condones everything he has created! For starters "GOD" is creation as we know it, scientifically or otherwise.

    God is merely a state of conscientiousness.(that's absolutely beautiful! -Doug) Human beings involves in many levels of consciousness, and every level is equally valuable, good or bad, both are necessary for one's own healthy spiritual growth!

    Conclusion: The church is the opposite of God, therefore God indeed is dead to anyone who believes organized religions knows the intentions or the word of God. God's word is written in the kindness of your heart(I loved this too), and not in the kind words of a fairytale book or scriptures."



    -Doug icon_redface.gif



    Thank you my good man! as I contemplate the eve of a new year I am thankful and quite anxious to be a year older!! as age have given me much inner peace with the world and with myself!


    Hugs to you both!!
    ♥ Leandro ♥
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    G_Force said
    Blondizgd said
    free_spirit09 saiddo you agree with the following:

    “God is dead: but considering the state Man is in, there will perhaps be caves, for ages yet, in which his shadow will be shown.”
    Friedrich Nietzsche


    I'll agree on one thing - Nietzsche was an ass


    He was well known as being quite an ass, so I don;';t put much stock in him. He was looking to make millions off of people's gullabillity.


    Millions? you sound like someone who know nothing about Herr Nietzsche.

    To predict the behavior of ordinary people in advance, you only have to assume that they will always try to escape a disagreeable situation with the smallest possible expenditure of intelligence.
    Friedrich Nietzsche
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    meninlove said ALEZANDER said (man did he ever)

    "In my own personal opinion God has no connection nor a valuable existence in the eyes of men! While man has a tendency to condemn anything that moves, God condones everything he has created! For starters "GOD" is creation as we know it, scientifically or otherwise.

    God is merely a state of conscientiousness.(that's absolutely beautiful! -Doug) Human beings involves in many levels of consciousness, and every level is equally valuable, good or bad, both are necessary for one's own healthy spiritual growth!

    Conclusion: The church is the opposite of God, therefore God indeed is dead to anyone who believes organized religions knows the intentions or the word of God. God's word is written in the kindness of your heart(I loved this too), and not in the kind words of a fairytale book or scriptures."



    -Doug icon_redface.gif






    Thank you my good man! as I contemplate the eve of a new year I am thankful and quite anxious to be a year older!! as age have given me much inner peace with the world and with myself!


    Hugs to you both!!
    ♥ Leandro ♥




    The irrationality of a thing is no argument against its existence, rather a condition of it.
    Friedrich Nietzsche







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    G_Force said
    free_spirit09 saiddo you agree with the following:

    “God is dead: but considering the state Man is in, there will perhaps be caves, for ages yet, in which his shadow will be shown.”
    Friedrich Nietzsche


    I think most atheists would disagree with this because they don't beleive that God ever lived for him to even die.



    As long as a human being have loved and have been loved that is all that matters! I do believe that all human beings from all belief systems at some point in their lives had experienced that feeling.



    ♥ Leandro ♥
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    free_spirit09 saiddo you agree with the following:

    “God is dead: but considering the state Man is in, there will perhaps be caves, for ages yet, in which his shadow will be shown.”
    Friedrich Nietzsche


    I think most atheists would disagree with this because they don't beleive that God ever lived for him to even die.


    Nietzsche wasn't putting forward an atheistic philosophy... as the first responder noted... Nietzsche was talking about institutionalized religion. Specifically, he wrote the Anti-Christ... not Anti-God or On Being Atheist. From what I've gathered when I read the Antichrist (and its been a while), I don't believe Nietzsche ever put forth a proof against the existence of God.

    Similarly, in his On the Genealogy of Morals, Nietzsche asserts that one ought to scrutinize traditional Christian morals. He states that there needs to be a transvaluation of morality which he defines as the "critique of moral values, the value of these values themselves must first be called in question... (20). His attempt is to question the assumptions about morality and Christian values that contradict the self.

    Much of the reason why Nietzsche is particularly effective in permeating popular culture and effecting many niche cultures that subscribe to his philosophy (though, in my opinion, many of these cultures subscribe to erroneous understandings of his philosophy), is because his writing is provocative. In leveling his criticism of Christian morality of The Birth of Tragedy, Nietzsche states, "Christianity was from the beginning, essentially and fundamentally, life’s nausea and disgust with life… Hatred of ‘the world,’ condemnation of the passions, fear of beauty and sensuality… For, confronted with morality (especially Christian, or unconditional, morality), life must continually and inevitable be in the wrong, because life is something essentially amoral. (23)" Nietzsche is uncompromising in his attack of Christian morality. His attack is leveled specifically at a self-sacrificing, self-denying moral goodness. However, it should be noted that in this quote Nietzsche asserts that Christian morality will inevitably be in the wrong. In distinguishing between 'right' and 'wrong', Nietzsche is positing a positive moral assertion that Christianity is indeed wrong... and in doing so catches himself in a bind. If Christianity is WRONG then there must be some RIGHT that Nietzsche posits in putting forward his philosophy, and this seems like a contradiction to Nietzsche's criticism of ethics/ morality in general.

    Many scholars have revitalized Nietzsche's intentions showing how the positive moral content of his works doesn't necessarily contradict a transvaluation of morality. I'm not going to go into this... I just wanted to mention Nietzsche's positive ethical assertions because I think people generally like to equate Nietzsche with Nihilism. While Nietzsche does indeed assert a kind of nihilism... I don't think that's what he intends to leave his reader with...

    Whether or not you think Christianity is complicit in this self-sacrificing, self-denying morality today is up for dispute... just because it was the case in the time Nietzsche was writing doesn't mean it's still a problem now (and this is not an assertion that it is NOT a problem at the moment, merely that it is debatable whether or not it is a problem).

    Hope this helps clearing up some incoherency!

    P.S... I blame all grammatical errors on the fact that I'm still tipsy from the bars.
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    G_Force said
    free_spirit09 saiddo you agree with the following:

    “God is dead: but considering the state Man is in, there will perhaps be caves, for ages yet, in which his shadow will be shown.”
    Friedrich Nietzsche


    I think most atheists would disagree with this because they don't beleive that God ever lived for him to even die.


    Nietzsche wasn't putting forward an atheistic philosophy... as the first responder noted... Nietzsche was talking about institutionalized religion. Specifically, he wrote the Anti-Christ... not Anti-God or On Being Atheist. From what I've gathered when I read the Antichrist (and its been a while), I don't believe Nietzsche ever put forth a proof against the existence of God.

    Similarly, in his On the Genealogy of Morals, Nietzsche asserts that one ought to scrutinize traditional Christian morals. He states that there needs to be a transvaluation of morality which he defines as the "critique of moral values, the value of these values themselves must first be called in question... (20). His attempt is to question the assumptions about morality and Christian values that contradict the self.

    Much of the reason why Nietzsche is particularly effective in permeating popular culture and effecting many niche cultures that subscribe to his philosophy (though, in my opinion, many of these cultures subscribe to erroneous understandings of his philosophy), is because his writing is provocative. In leveling his criticism of Christian morality of The Birth of Tragedy, Nietzsche states, "Christianity was from the beginning, essentially and fundamentally, life’s nausea and disgust with life… Hatred of ‘the world,’ condemnation of the passions, fear of beauty and sensuality… For, confronted with morality (especially Christian, or unconditional, morality), life must continually and inevitable be in the wrong, because life is something essentially amoral. (23)" Nietzsche is uncompromising in his attack of Christian morality. His attack is leveled specifically at a self-sacrificing, self-denying moral goodness. However, it should be noted that in this quote Nietzsche asserts that Christian morality will inevitably be in the wrong. In distinguishing between 'right' and 'wrong', Nietzsche is positing a positive moral assertion that Christianity is indeed wrong... and in doing so catches himself in a bind. If Christianity is WRONG then there must be some RIGHT that Nietzsche posits in putting forward his philosophy, and this seems like a contradiction to Nietzsche's criticism of ethics/ morality in general.

    Many scholars have revitalized Nietzsche's intentions showing how the positive moral content of his works doesn't necessarily contradict a transvaluation of morality. I'm not going to go into this... I just wanted to mention Nietzsche's positive ethical assertions because I think people generally like to equate Nietzsche with Nihilism. While Nietzsche does indeed assert a kind of nihilism... I don't think that's what he intends to leave his reader with...

    Whether or not you think Christianity is complicit in this self-sacrificing, self-denying morality today is up for dispute... just because it was the case in the time Nietzsche was writing doesn't mean it's still a problem now (and this is not an assertion that it is NOT a problem at the moment, merely that it is debatable whether or not it is a problem).

    Hope this helps clearing up some incoherency!

    P.S... I blame all grammatical errors on the fact that I'm still tipsy from the bars.



    The bottom line is that Nietzsche philosophy is no different from that of Christianity, in the sense that they both think they have the answer to humankind's long journey for truth and a sense of purpose in this plane we call Earth!? when in reality the only real truth to life's purpose and its existence lies ONLY within each and every individual!

    Personally I gave up a long time ago at relying on any kind of doctrine or ideology! will that make me an atheist or some sort of religious freak!? I think not!! I simply learn that in order to find the answers to life's purposes I must first look within my own purpose in life, that simple!!


    ♥ Leandro ♥
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    The bottom line is that Nietzsche philosophy is no different from that of Christianity, in the sense that they both think they have the answer to humankind's long journey for truth and a sense of purpose in this plane we call Earth!? when in reality the only real truth to life's purpose and its existence lies ONLY within each and every individual!

    Personally I gave up a long time ago at relying on any kind of doctrine or ideology! will that make me an atheist or some sort of religious freak!? I think not!! I simply learn that in order to find the answers to life's purposes I must first look within my own purpose in life, that simple!!


    ♥ Leandro ♥


    Actually, I think Nietzsche would agree with your assertion that that ethical standards of life ought to consist one's individuality (the affirmation of their lives, vitality, impulses). I didn't mean to come off as asserting the strong conclusion that Christianity and Nietzsche's transvaluation of morality were identical in the sense you mention... I think the two are separate.
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    free_spirit09 saiddo you agree with the following:

    “God is dead: but considering the state Man is in, there will perhaps be caves, for ages yet, in which his shadow will be shown.”
    Friedrich Nietzsche


    I think most atheists would disagree with this because they don't beleive that God ever lived for him to even die.


    Nietzsche wasn't putting forward an atheistic philosophy... as the first responder noted... Nietzsche was talking about institutionalized religion. Specifically, he wrote the Anti-Christ... not Anti-God or On Being Atheist. From what I've gathered when I read the Antichrist (and its been a while), I don't believe Nietzsche ever put forth a proof against the existence of God.

    Similarly, in his On the Genealogy of Morals, Nietzsche asserts that one ought to scrutinize traditional Christian morals. He states that there needs to be a transvaluation of morality which he defines as the "critique of moral values, the value of these values themselves must first be called in question... (20). His attempt is to question the assumptions about morality and Christian values that contradict the self.

    Much of the reason why Nietzsche is particularly effective in permeating popular culture and effecting many niche cultures that subscribe to his philosophy (though, in my opinion, many of these cultures subscribe to erroneous understandings of his philosophy), is because his writing is provocative. In leveling his criticism of Christian morality of The Birth of Tragedy, Nietzsche states, "Christianity was from the beginning, essentially and fundamentally, life’s nausea and disgust with life… Hatred of ‘the world,’ condemnation of the passions, fear of beauty and sensuality… For, confronted with morality (especially Christian, or unconditional, morality), life must continually and inevitable be in the wrong, because life is something essentially amoral. (23)" Nietzsche is uncompromising in his attack of Christian morality. His attack is leveled specifically at a self-sacrificing, self-denying moral goodness. However, it should be noted that in this quote Nietzsche asserts that Christian morality will inevitably be in the wrong. In distinguishing between 'right' and 'wrong', Nietzsche is positing a positive moral assertion that Christianity is indeed wrong... and in doing so catches himself in a bind. If Christianity is WRONG then there must be some RIGHT that Nietzsche posits in putting forward his philosophy, and this seems like a contradiction to Nietzsche's criticism of ethics/ morality in general.

    Many scholars have revitalized Nietzsche's intentions showing how the positive moral content of his works doesn't necessarily contradict a transvaluation of morality. I'm not going to go into this... I just wanted to mention Nietzsche's positive ethical assertions because I think people generally like to equate Nietzsche with Nihilism. While Nietzsche does indeed assert a kind of nihilism... I don't think that's what he intends to leave his reader with...

    Whether or not you think Christianity is complicit in this self-sacrificing, self-denying morality today is up for dispute... just because it was the case in the time Nietzsche was writing doesn't mean it's still a problem now (and this is not an assertion that it is NOT a problem at the moment, merely that it is debatable whether or not it is a problem).

    Hope this helps clearing up some incoherency!

    P.S... I blame all grammatical errors on the fact that I'm still tipsy from the bars.


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