If on subway, what would you have done??

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    Dec 29, 2009 4:07 PM GMT
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    Dec 29, 2009 4:20 PM GMT
    Disturbing to say the least. The only one who had the kahunas to step in was ultimately the biggest victim. If that was her bf/husband he should really take responsibility as if he hit her in the face himself as she pleaded for 4mins to stop and he completely ignored her.
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    Dec 29, 2009 4:20 PM GMT
    Move as far away as possible...get the attention of the guy driving the train and wonder "where the hell are the cops?"...idk about pulling the emergency brake thing...i dont think getting the the middle would have helped but srsly...5 min is a long time and there are cops at the stations so..WTF?!?!
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    Dec 29, 2009 4:23 PM GMT
    That is disturbing. People are taping it while a woman tries to break it up and look what happened. I would have gotten off the train. You dont know if either of those guys had a weapon. i would have found a police officer or a subway employee.
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    Dec 29, 2009 4:51 PM GMT
    Sometimes, when human beings start acting like angry primates, the only thing you can do is step out of the way and let them beat each other into oblivion. Or spray them down with water. Either way you wind up like the one woman who tried to intervene...punched in the face for trying to calm things down.

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    Dec 29, 2009 4:58 PM GMT
    nysexy saidMove as far away as possible...get the attention of the guy driving the train and wonder "where the hell are the cops?"...idk about pulling the emergency brake thing...i dont think getting the the middle would have helped but srsly...5 min is a long time and there are cops at the stations so..WTF?!?!


    This.

    All it takes is for one of them to pull a gun and it becomes a tragedy...
  • NyRuinz

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    Dec 29, 2009 5:01 PM GMT
    I was born and raised in New York and trust me when I say I have seen people fight on the subway over the most juvenile things, including looking at someone in the eyes icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 29, 2009 7:19 PM GMT
    There's Trailer Trash everywhere on this Sad Planet!
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    Dec 30, 2009 1:46 AM GMT
    this is sad..but on the other hand this is NYC...people rarely help each other in this city. Like you can be getting attacked and people will stand and watch. Its sad no one step in to help help stop it because they wanted a show..to watch and revel in this madness.
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    Dec 30, 2009 2:21 AM GMT
    I was threatened on the subway,,,,guess why....
    Because i offered to help a white tourist with directions,,,,
    A fucking jerk got out of his seat and yelled at me with clinched fists saying'' WHY ARE YOU HELPING THE ENEMY?''.....icon_eek.gif
    Of course one carrys protection when riding the subway and all i had to do was reach into my inside pocket and end it , but then i'd run the risk of going to jail...Of course he'd have nothing to loose if he went, 3 meals a day, socializing with his hommies and lifting weights, he'd live the life of riley but i'd have so much more to loose so i had to make the choice and allow him to get in my face and yell..
    There was no police presence to speak of....
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    Dec 30, 2009 3:47 AM GMT
    jgymnast733 saidI was threatened on the subway,,,,guess why....
    Because i offered to help a white tourist with directions,,,,
    A fucking jerk got out of his seat and yelled at me with clinched fists saying'' WHY ARE YOU HELPING THE ENEMY?''.....icon_eek.gif
    Of course one carrys protection when riding the subway and all i had to do was reach into my inside pocket and end it , but then i'd run the risk of going to jail...Of course he'd have nothing to loose if he went, 3 meals a day, socializing with his hommies and lifting weights, he'd live the life of riley but i'd have so much more to loose so i had to make the choice and allow him to get in my face and yell..
    There was no police presence to speak of....


    Sounds all too familiar, New York City has some characters.
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    Dec 30, 2009 4:11 AM GMT
    tereseus1 saidthis is sad..but on the other hand this is NYC...people rarely help each other in this city. Like you can be getting attacked and people will stand and watch. Its sad no one step in to help help stop it because they wanted a show..to watch and revel in this madness.


    What is sad is if someone did help and got injuried - guess who would be left with the medical bill. Do you think society would help the person with medical expenses? A sad /indifferent society where people are left to fend for themselves leads to people acting indifferently towards each other.

    Several of the people responding/helping at 9/11 were left with mounting medical bills.
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    Dec 30, 2009 5:03 AM GMT
    turn up my iphone and blast Michael Jackson's "Beat It"

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    Dec 30, 2009 5:17 AM GMT
    phemt said
    tereseus1 saidthis is sad..but on the other hand this is NYC...people rarely help each other in this city. Like you can be getting attacked and people will stand and watch. Its sad no one step in to help help stop it because they wanted a show..to watch and revel in this madness.


    What is sad is if someone did help and got injuried - guess who would be left with the medical bill. Do you think society would help the person with medical expenses? A sad /indifferent society where people are left to fend for themselves leads to people acting indifferently towards each other.

    Several of the people responding/helping at 9/11 were left with mounting medical bills.


    Well said. Why should people get involved and risk their own well-being when they will be stranded if injured??!! I grew up and live in NYC, and have never seen anything close to this happen before - but I'm really good at avoiding psychos and getting far away from oddness. perhaps my luck. but it's tragic that several people didn't just grab both and detain them for cops or at least separate them somehow. That could have diffused it - unless one of them pulled a weapon. Major risk. It seemed one of them had help when off the train.

    That poor woman - her idiot friend should have just LISTENED to her. Several times he clearly had the opportunity to back off/get away - even ONE THE TRAIN!!, but instead he persisted in aggressively engaging the other party. I've yet to find if anyone knows what this was over/about and if the police have started a proper investigation. It's been days now.
  • LuckyPierre

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    Dec 30, 2009 5:29 AM GMT
    I just have to say that I LOVE NYC... I envy y'all that live there. Can I visit and sleep on your couch?

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    Dec 30, 2009 5:32 AM GMT
    JSnow789 saidI just have to say that I LOVE NYC... I envy y'all that live there. Can I visit and sleep on your couch?



    Mr. Man Sir....you can sleep in my bed...naked..with me :-)
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    Dec 30, 2009 5:57 AM GMT
    From the video it looked like both guys were willing and wanting to fight. No one was jumped or seems to be a victim of assault. For those reasons I think my response would had been limited to notifying the cops or transit workers.

    I really find it sad though that had a good samaritan became involved in assisting someone (not just this example case) and suffered injuries that person would be responsible for the resulting medical costs (even if you had insurance it usually dosn't cover all the costs). I believe in socialized medicine, but at the very least there should be a law that if you are injuried while being a good samaritian society will help with your bills because we value people putting themselves at risk to help others.
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    Dec 30, 2009 9:19 AM GMT
    Well If I was actually there. I would break it up. I may be 5'8 ,but I know how to whoop some ass. Plus they couldn't really fight anyways. I hope I don't have to deal with that shit when I move to new york,because a bitch will swing their 20lb makeup case If they're late for a shoot. It's annoying when adults have to be so stupid and fight.
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    Dec 30, 2009 10:07 AM GMT
    Second time I've seen this video.

    1) I use that subway station regularly (South Bronx icon_biggrin.gif) and directly above the station where this fight occurred is a police station. I'm sure the conductor saw this happening and could have called the police down in an instant. The conductor seemed to only be concerned with closing the doors on the people (as if everyone politely would politely up their stuff, move on to the platform commence to beating the living shits out of each other).

    2) Does anyone even know why this fight began?

    3) What are the chances of either dude being arrested for assault since the police didn't show up? That lady was clearly punched out her mind despite trying to mediate. All of that was in vain.

    4) If I was there, since I live in the area, I would have gotten off, called 911 while I was walking home and explain to them what happened. I'd hope that when the cops arrive, the men would still be fighting so someone could speak to this incident. I just feel so bad for the woman that tried to mediate.
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    Dec 30, 2009 2:39 PM GMT
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    JSnow789 saidI just have to say that I LOVE NYC... I envy y'all that live there. Can I visit and sleep on your couch?



    Mr. Man Sir....you can sleep in my bed...naked..with me :-)


    Excuse me..my bed is big enough for both of you...and me........unless you prefer the floor
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    Dec 30, 2009 3:52 PM GMT
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    nysexy said
    JSnow789 saidI just have to say that I LOVE NYC... I envy y'all that live there. Can I visit and sleep on your couch?



    Mr. Man Sir....you can sleep in my bed...naked..with me :-)


    Excuse me..my bed is big enough for both of you...and me........unless you prefer the floor


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    Dec 30, 2009 4:03 PM GMT
    man that was upsetting!
    so glad i left new york!
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    Dec 30, 2009 4:47 PM GMT
    nysexy saididk about pulling the emergency brake thing


    That's exactly what I would have done once it arrived at a stop. That would force the conductor to see and deal with the situation instead of turning a blind eye. In Chicago, rarely do I see police presence on the el/subway. Usually they're the ones who have dogs sniffing out drugs or who knows what else. Perhaps they're all on the trains in rougher areas. Our trains have the emergency stop lever, but they also have an emergency intercom in every car that you push a button and you can talk to the conductor, so I would choose the button if I could get to it. I can't remember if NYC has those or not.

    I would never get in the middle. Who's to say that wouldn't lead to both guys beating your ass?
  • dannyboy1101

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    Dec 30, 2009 4:59 PM GMT
    Another thing... I think people need to reexamine their thought process on police forces. Police can't be everywhere at once to catch everything just as teachers/principals can't bear witness to every minor "bullying" incident in a hallway full of kids.

    To expect a police officer at every train stop and enough on the streets to keep everyone safe is unrealistic. Maybe every train stop isn't enough. Should it be every train? But then they might not be in the right car at the right time, so perhaps every train car? Unfortunately, there are more unemployed actors than police officers in the world, so unless you want to train those actors, I don't think there's enough force for you to use.

    Five years ago, I was mugged in a major intersection 5 blocks south of Wrigley Field at 6:30 AM on a sunny Saturday morning while entering a cab. The door was literally open in my hand one moment and I was being hit in the face another. The cabbie called the police on his cell phone after trying to fend them off, but the muggers weren't responding to him (there were three guys). I never thought, why wasn't there a police officer at this corner in a decent area on a sunny Saturday morning (right in front of a Dunkin Donuts even) so a phone call wasn't even necessary. They have a hard job and most do their best and do an excellent job at that, but to blame this fight on an ineffective police force is ridiculous because they just can't be everywhere something can happen at once. People need to be extra eyes and ears sometimes in order for situations to be stopped.