What do "YOU" think it takes to be an American?

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    Dec 29, 2009 9:17 PM GMT
    If I was to move to America, with my American partner, and spend the rest of my life there, would this make me an American? I say NO! I would always still be an Aussie!

    If I had a child in America, would this make him an American? No as depending on what his mother was, he would be half Aussie, so he would not be a full American, thus not an American. Plus I would do my best to never have a child in America, because I would not won't him to be burdened with the American tax system for the rest of his life.

    So I know there are Italian Americans.
    Jewish Americans,
    Greek Americans.
    Russian Americans.

    But this is not full American is it?

    So to "you" What is it that makes you an American? or what is a real American?

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    Dec 29, 2009 9:23 PM GMT
    Someone who is a citizen by birth or naturalization.
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    Dec 29, 2009 9:28 PM GMT
    Way more than the citizens of the rest of the world could endure!
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    Dec 29, 2009 9:50 PM GMT
    Someone who is not obsessed with America

    Please do stay in OZ. They need you there more than we do here.


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    Dec 29, 2009 9:58 PM GMT
    Pattison saidSo to "you" What is it that makes you an American?

    1. Not being an Australian who pretends to know about my country, when he doesn't.
    2. Not offering unsolicited opinions about my country, when he knows nothing about it, and has nothing to contribute, a failing his fellow Australians fortunately don't share with him. Which is one reason most Americans hold Australians in the greatest esteem, admiring them greatly, excepting for the OP.
    3. Not being an idiot like the OP.
    4. Not telling Australians what's wrong with their great country.
    5. Not telling Australians what's wrong with them.
    6. Not being an idiot like the OP.
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    Dec 29, 2009 10:09 PM GMT
    Timberoo saidSomeone who is a citizen by birth or naturalization.


    Timberoo captures it best. There are 380 million of us currently living within the country's borders and outside them. Few other definitions could capture the diversity of thought, experience or beliefs held by so many people living across so many time zones in many different climate zones. Its size is its advantage and its crutch. Its history is its strength, its shame and its obstacle.
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    Dec 29, 2009 10:10 PM GMT
    Blondizgd saidSomeone who is not obsessed with America

    Please do stay in OZ. They need you there more than we do here.




    Sunshine, one has no intentions of moving to America, after all I call one of the worlds most livable cities home. But I will be in Hawai'i in 2011; but thats another topicicon_wink.gif

    Hmmm intriguing all one did was ask a question, and all this abuse; seems not one, some won't asked. So one is assuming the abusers don't have a clue......

    But still I do ask what is it that makes one a true blue American?
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    Dec 29, 2009 10:18 PM GMT
    To be American all you have to do is fall out of an American cooch or fall out of a cooch on American soil. There is no sacred ritual to be one of us. Probably why America has such an identity crisis.
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    Dec 29, 2009 10:22 PM GMT
    drypin said
    Timberoo saidSomeone who is a citizen by birth or naturalization.


    Timberoo captures it best. There are 380 million of us currently living within the countries borders and outside them. Few other definitions could capture the diversity of thought, experience or beliefs held by so many people living across so many time zones in many different climate zones. Its size is its advantage and its crutch. Its history is its strength, its shame and its obstacle.


    Thank you.
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    Dec 29, 2009 10:24 PM GMT
    CarbGoggles saidTo be American all you have to do is fall out of an American cooch or fall out of a cooch on American soil. There is no sacred ritual to be one of us. Probably why America has such an identity crisis.


    You know one of my partners of 20 years was born in America, yet always calls himself : "Irish American" and never just American, so I'm assuming he does not consider himself a full American, or then he would just be an American would he not?
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    Dec 29, 2009 10:25 PM GMT
    a credit card, a car and a big fridge
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    Dec 29, 2009 10:29 PM GMT
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    Pattison saidSo to "you" What is it that makes you an American?

    1. Not being an Australian who pretends to know about my country, when he doesn't.
    2. Not offering unsolicited opinions about my country, when he knows nothing about it, and has nothing to contribute, a failing his fellow Australians fortunately don't share with him. Which is one reason most Americans hold Australians in the greatest esteem, admiring them greatly, excepting for the OP.
    3. Not being an idiot like the OP.
    4. Not telling Australians what's wrong with their great country.
    5. Not telling Australians what's wrong with them.
    6. Not being an idiot like the OP.


    Sorry guys just need to pull Red V aside and have a moment with the old fella, it will be over in a moment.

    Red V mate. You know I'm not sure what your problem is, but I'm sure it's hard to spell! Now I suggest yo go slip into something more comfortable, like a comma, But love before you do that may I suggest you go wash you mouth first, as there's still a tiny bit of bullshit around your lips. Please send you wife my kindest of regards. Have a nice day, and I'm missing you already.

    Told you it would not take long......
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    Dec 29, 2009 10:36 PM GMT
    Lostboy saida credit card, a car and a big fridge


    icon_razz.gif Then I could be an America as I have the 3. But then that would make me an American Aussie, and that won't work, because to be an Aussie you can't be both, it's one or the other.icon_wink.gif
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    Dec 29, 2009 10:36 PM GMT
    With all those loaded statements you've given, it's hard to give you "a true blue" answer....

    but let me phrase it the best I know how....

    Oh, justice will be served and the battle will rage:
    This big dog will fight when you rattle his cage.
    An' you'll be sorry that you messed with the U.S. of A.
    'Cos we'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.

    Hey, Uncle Sam put your name at the top of his list,
    And the Statue of Liberty started shaking her fist.
    And the eagle will fly and it's gonna be hell,
    When you hear Mother Freedom start ringing her bell.
    And it'll feel like the whole wide world is raining down on you.
    Ah, brought to you, courtesy of the red, white and blue.



    You'll have to forgive me, because even though the US isn't perfect... I (and many others like myself) have more pride in my country than any of you Australians will ever understand.... just ask Kieth Urban. (hah)
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    Dec 29, 2009 10:38 PM GMT
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    Red_Vespa said
    Pattison saidSo to "you" What is it that makes you an American?

    1. Not being an Australian who pretends to know about my country, when he doesn't.
    2. Not offering unsolicited opinions about my country, when he knows nothing about it, and has nothing to contribute, a failing his fellow Australians fortunately don't share with him. Which is one reason most Americans hold Australians in the greatest esteem, admiring them greatly, excepting for the OP.
    3. Not being an idiot like the OP.
    4. Not telling Australians what's wrong with their great country.
    5. Not telling Australians what's wrong with them.
    6. Not being an idiot like the OP.


    Sorry guys just need to pull Red V aside and have a moment with the old fella, it will be over in a moment.

    Red V mate. You know I'm not sure what your problem is, but I'm sure it's hard to spell! Now I suggest yo go slip into something more comfortable, like a comma, But love before you do that may I suggest you go wash you mouth first, as there's still a tiny bit of bullshit around your lips. Please send you wife my kindest of regards. Have a nice day, and I'm missing you already.

    Told you it would not take long......



    Whoa, sounds like you two have some deep history.
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    Dec 29, 2009 10:42 PM GMT
    Pattison has some deep seated trolling issues, and RV won´t block him. I have never understood why.
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    Dec 29, 2009 10:47 PM GMT
    Perhaps we should create a thread titled "America VS Australia"?
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    Dec 29, 2009 10:47 PM GMT
    kaicho saidWith all those loaded statements you've given, it's hard to give you "a true blue" answer....

    but let me phrase it the best I know how....

    Oh, justice will be served and the battle will rage:
    This big dog will fight when you rattle his cage.
    An' you'll be sorry that you messed with the U.S. of A.
    'Cos we'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.

    Hey, Uncle Sam put your name at the top of his list,
    And the Statue of Liberty started shaking her fist.
    And the eagle will fly and it's gonna be hell,
    When you hear Mother Freedom start ringing her bell.
    And it'll feel like the whole wide world is raining down on you.
    Ah, brought to you, courtesy of the red, white and blue.



    You'll have to forgive me, because even though the US isn't perfect... I (and many others like myself) have more pride in my country than any of you Australians will ever understand.... just ask Kieth Urban. (hah)


    One of the differences and there are many to us Aussies/Australians to many Americans is: We don't were our pride on our sleeve, and just wave the flag. Our pride is much deeper than that.

    Also when America goes to kick ass, or invade another land, they don't do so with out the help of us Aussies/Australians. But none of this is telling one, what it takes to be an American.

    Mate with so many ???????? in it, one did not feel they were loaded, and just questions. In fact I had every intention to just sit back and read, until the abusers come out. In fact it's a question I've had for many years now.
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    Dec 29, 2009 10:53 PM GMT
    Lostboy saidPattison has some deep seated trolling issues, and RV won´t block him. I have never understood why.


    If asking a question is trolling then so be it. I've never embraced political correctness, as it represses conversation, and stops things from being said, and asked.

    If I bother Red so much, I've never understood why he doesn't block one either, but It's his choice to look. I'm strong enough to have an opinion and stand on my own. I'm not a bully, so I don't need to be surrounded by other for support either.

    But go look at the history between us, it's Red V who come to my attension as the abuser, and in an attempt to repress one.
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    Dec 29, 2009 10:56 PM GMT
    AussieBoy55 saidWhoa, sounds like you two have some deep history.

    The only history is Pattison's attacks on the US, and its people. He poses as an expert on my country, my politics, and my culture, when in fact he is grossly misinformed.

    I can't think of anyone on RJ who routinely attacks Australia and its people, whether from the US or elsewhere, or who pretend to be experts about that fine country. Therefore, I find the unflattering comments of Pattison regarding the US and its citizens to be unwelcome, ignorant, inflammatory, and embarrassing to his own homeland, which he never fails to reference in his remarks as "Oz."

    This guy does your wonderful country a great disservice, by his claiming to represent you all. I think you would do well to disown him. Most of us "Yanks" know what great people you Aussies are, despite the aberration that is Pattison.
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    Dec 29, 2009 10:57 PM GMT
    Let's grow up people. Seriously. This is what gives Americans bad names overseas. Christ.

    "American" to me is simply a cultural reference. America is a blending of cultures, so one can be Italian American if one maintains some semblance of American culture, etc. Much the same way as saying you're "Australian" is making a statement of a cultural affiliation, as one cannot be genetically "Australian" or "Italian."

    Me, I'm of indigenous decent, mixed with a combination of European bloodlines from various countries. I have a unique perspective when it comes to people passing judgement on other cultures. And I personally found your question valid and thought provoking, not combative or judge mental.

    To me, being American means: I was born in this country; I have the right speak out and participate in my government should I choose to do so, without fear of vanishing in the night (although the Patriot Act raises that possibility); there are many other cultures surrounding me that somehow seem to blend together, with some exceptions. There's a lot of good stuff, and a lot of bad stuff too, but the thing that I like is there's always the potential to change direction, as we are, at least in theory, self-governed, with the citizenry being the largest body of the government.

    It's not perfect, but it ain't half bad...
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    Dec 29, 2009 11:03 PM GMT
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    AussieBoy55 saidWhoa, sounds like you two have some deep history.

    The only history is Pattison's attacks on the US, and its people. He poses as an expert on my country, my politics, and my culture, when in fact he is grossly misinformed.

    I can't think of anyone on RJ who routinely attacks Australia and its people, whether from the US or elsewhere, or who pretend to be experts about that fine country. Therefore, I find the unflattering comments of Pattison regarding the US and its citizens to be unwelcome, ignorant, inflammatory, and embarrassing to his own homeland, which he never fails to reference in his remarks as "Oz."

    This guy does your wonderful country a great disservice, by his claiming to represent you all. I think you would do well to disown him. Most of us "Yanks" know what great people you Aussies are, despite the aberration that is Pattison.


    Wow is this true pattison.. There is history here i am not informed about..
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    Dec 29, 2009 11:07 PM GMT
    You know on second thoughts you better become an American. You obsess about us more than we obsess about ourselves and that's saying a lot seeing as how we can be very egocentric.
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    Dec 29, 2009 11:18 PM GMT
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    So I know there are Italian Americans.
    Jewish Americans,
    Greek Americans.
    Russian Americans.

    But this is not full American is it?


    No, they are still full Americans.

    All that means is that they are an American of a certain ethnic descent.

    Need it simpler? If you're a Russian American, you are an American of Russian descent. If you're an Irish American, you're an American of Irish descent.
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    Dec 29, 2009 11:18 PM GMT
    jimbobthedevil saidLet's grow up people. Seriously. This is what gives Americans bad names overseas. Christ.

    "American" to me is simply a cultural reference. America is a blending of cultures, so one can be Italian American if one maintains some semblance of American culture, etc. Much the same way as saying you're "Australian" is making a statement of a cultural affiliation, as one cannot be genetically "Australian" or "Italian."

    Me, I'm of indigenous decent, mixed with a combination of European bloodlines from various countries. I have a unique perspective when it comes to people passing judgement on other cultures. And I personally found your question valid and thought provoking, not combative or judge mental.

    To me, being American means: I was born in this country; I have the right speak out and participate in my government should I choose to do so, without fear of vanishing in the night (although the Patriot Act raises that possibility); there are many other cultures surrounding me that somehow seem to blend together, with some exceptions. There's a lot of good stuff, and a lot of bad stuff too, but the thing that I like is there's always the potential to change direction, as we are, at least in theory, self-governed, with the citizenry being the largest body of the government.

    It's not perfect, but it ain't half bad...


    I truly thank you for your reply, and it was the kind of response one was seeking, and hoping for. You also have an intelligent insight as you seen my question, as it was intended, and it was never an attack. yes I have talked about in the past the negative impact "americanism" has had on my country, and culture. But this was not an attack on the American people but Americanism.