news alert --plus its no surprise..."PROMINENT REPUBLICANS CALL FOR RACIAL PROFILING"

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    Dec 29, 2009 11:40 PM GMT
    ok i just got in from the barber..switched on the 6 o clock news on WB11 when i heard that Republican officials are now debating over whether to try and enforce racial profiling in airports for minorities and certain religious sects. what do you guys think? Anyways here are the two articles you should read in regards to the debate. Feel free to speak your mind. As for me i have no comments on this issue as from my point of view, this country always jump on opportunities to try and subdue or put down minorities so this is just another attempt. http://www.examiner.com/x-18558-Public-Policy-Examiner~y2009m12d29-Process-versus-racial-profiling-I-guess-Obama-and-I-are-terrorists
    http://thelastcrusade.org/2009/12/28/call-for-racial-profiling/
  • Webster666

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    Dec 30, 2009 2:02 AM GMT
    Didn't we learn anything from the stupidity of placing all the American Japanese in concentration camps during WW2 ? Apparently not.

    It makes a lot more sense to spend money on the most modern technology to screen ALL airline passengers, and, if necessary, the U.S. should provide the screeners (machines) for countries that can't afford them.

    And, if somebody's own FATHER, for heaven's sake, turns him in as being a terrorist, it might be a very good idea to keep an eye on that person.
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    Dec 30, 2009 2:21 AM GMT
    Webster666 saidDidn't we learn anything from the stupidity of placing all the American Japanese in concentration camps during WW2 ? Apparently not.

    It makes a lot more sense to spend money on the most modern technology to screen ALL airline passengers, and, if necessary, the U.S. should provide the screeners (machines) for countries that can't afford them.

    And, if somebody's own FATHER, for heaven's sake, turns him in as being a terrorist, it might be a very good idea to keep an eye on that person.


    Of course we have not learned anything.

    Let us just see if there will be the same call for profiliiing when the terroist is a white, blond, blue eyed guy ...
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    Dec 30, 2009 2:29 AM GMT
    I had an idiot woman taking out her own ignorance on the TSA when I was waiting for a friend at the airport. She completely ignored the rules about having her ID with her, and refused to take her shoes off as they set off the metal detector.

    She looked at me and asked "Do I look like a terrorist?" My response was "I don't know lady - exactly what does a terrorist look like?".

    Profiling is stupid and senseless. There are much more effective and better ways to go about watching suspects. Given all our technology we're now resorting to 1950's era tactics?
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    Dec 30, 2009 3:58 AM GMT
    Ann Coulter was pushing for profiling last night on TV.

    A line for icky Muslims, and a line for everyone else.

    Clearly, false belief systems have their issues, but, I'm not sure that segregation, profiling, prejudice, etc. is the cure. It seems to have not worked very well in the past as The Innocence Project demonstrates.

    We've (as a society) committed some horrible offenses against those folks that are different from the main stream or of a certain color.

    The whole profiling thing, I think, is more just for the GOP folks to be their usable disagreeable, obstructionist, selves.

    Bottom line, security wasn't what it should have been, for folks for ANY color or ANY belief system.
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    Dec 30, 2009 4:00 AM GMT
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    Dec 30, 2009 6:50 AM GMT
    free_spirit09 saidBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
    Friedrich Nietzsche


    quoting Friedrich Nietzsche is good and all but what about your own thoughts....just quoting the words of one of the best philosophers does not say anything..why dont you formulate some form of argument to stand with the quotes that you provide.....
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    Dec 30, 2009 6:55 AM GMT
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    free_spirit09 saidBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
    Friedrich Nietzsche


    quoting Friedrich Nietzsche is good and all but what about your own thoughts....just quoting the words of one of the best philosophers does not say anything..why dont you formulate some form of argument to stand with the quotes that you provide.....


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    Dec 30, 2009 6:57 AM GMT
    How about we just stay equally afraid of everyone around us?

    Or heed warnings of terrorism even slightly (Maybe a more detailed search, sure the dude's dad could've been joking - but he wasn't!)



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  • Mepark

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    Dec 30, 2009 7:03 AM GMT
    We either use profiling or enhance security measures that might mean the invasion of privacy. We have to do something, but nothing will make everybody or anybody happy.
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    Dec 30, 2009 7:06 AM GMT
    Unoblivion saidIt shouldn't be drafted as legislation, but let's be realistic: if the vast majority of terrorists come from one area of the world, airport security people should pay more attention to those people/flights for potential threats. It just makes sense based on statistics





    You can't say that we should put political correctness before statistical evidence, that's not rational, nor is it in the public's best interest.



    hmm so even if a so called terrorist traveled from the middle east to the Caribbean...and then took a flight from the Caribbean to America..you would then just pick them out once they reach jfk or U.S soil..and profile them....makes no sense.
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    Dec 30, 2009 7:14 AM GMT
    This has already been happening. When I went to Spain anyone with dark skin was pulled to the side after getting off the plane my family and other white people were not held up. It was July 2002 so 9/11 was pretty fresh.. But I was still very disgusted by it.

    I mean this will only cause people who are targeted to want to act out more against the west..
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    Dec 30, 2009 7:17 AM GMT
    Unoblivion said@tereseus1:

    For the (assumed) return flight, I would keep a closer eye on the individual(s) in question because of their return destination back home to the middle east.


    if your a terrorist..why would you purchase a return ticket if you wont be alive to use it? lol the last terrorist suspect didn't have one. He only had a one way ticket. If you read one of the article that i posted you would see what i mean and how purchasing one ticket will affect how people will be treated.
  • Sirkit

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    Dec 30, 2009 7:22 AM GMT
    From the last crusade article: "100 percent of the Islamic terrorists are Muslim, and that is our main enemy today.” - Rep. Peter King

    *snort* ya think? I thought only 80% of Islamic terrorists were Muslim. This guy is a prominent doofus, anyone who takes a statement like this seriously is an imbecile.
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    Dec 30, 2009 7:22 AM GMT
    It all sounds well and good to be politically correct and all but let me ask you to think about this scenerio...

    You are with friends at a gay bar. As you leave a group of guys harrass and threaten to kill you because you are gay. The same group has already beaten up some other gay guys you know. They are all straight, white guys with blond hair and they drive away in a car with an out of state liscenes plate. You report this to the police.

    Do you expect the police to be on the lookout specifically for white guys with blond hair? Or do you want them to spend an equal amount of time investigating old ladies with blue hair driving cars with instate plates to make sure they aren't possibly going to try to beat you up too?
  • mnpopeye

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    Dec 30, 2009 7:23 AM GMT
    ChicagoBriGuy saidI had an idiot woman taking out her own ignorance on the TSA when I was waiting for a friend at the airport. She completely ignored the rules about having her ID with her, and refused to take her shoes off as they set off the metal detector.

    She looked at me and asked "Do I look like a terrorist?" My response was "I don't know lady - exactly what does a terrorist look like?".

    Profiling is stupid and senseless. There are much more effective and better ways to go about watching suspects. Given all our technology we're now resorting to 1950's era tactics?



    Well...guess what? ALL recent terrorrists are islamic jihadist/fundamentaliststs...and NONE of them are registered republicans...In fact politically they far more resemble hard-core LEFTISTS...they hate rich people, they think that the USA is the cause of ALL of the worlds problems..radical, academic left-wing revisionists every one of them!..I bet that if they would sit down and have coffee with Michael Moore they would walk away and feel quite satisfied that they had spent time with a kindred spirit!!!
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    Dec 30, 2009 7:26 AM GMT
    tereseus1 said
    Unoblivion said@tereseus1:

    For the (assumed) return flight, I would keep a closer eye on the individual(s) in question because of their return destination back home to the middle east.


    if your a terrorist..why would you purchase a return ticket if you wont be alive to use it? lol the last terrorist suspect didn't have one. He only had a one way ticket. If you read one of the article that i posted you would see what i mean and how purchasing one ticket will affect how people will be treated.


    Maybe we should be looking at things like only having a one way ticket?

    Or, better yet, search EVERYONE who flys. Would it take longer to get on a plane? Sure. But hey, then you'd be safe, right?
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    Dec 30, 2009 7:30 AM GMT
    triguybi saidIt all sounds well and good to be politically correct and all but let me ask you to think about this scenerio...

    You are with friends at a gay bar. As you leave a group of guys harrass and threaten to kill you because you are gay. The same group has already beaten up some other gay guys you know. They are all straight, white guys with blond hair and they drive away in a car with an out of state liscenes plate. You report this to the police.

    Do you expect the police to be on the lookout specifically for white guys with blond hair? Or do you want them to spend an equal amount of time investigating old ladies with blue hair driving cars with instate plates to make sure they aren't possibly going to try to beat you up too?


    try another example as this one is flawed as your comparing gender with race/ Physical characteristics. In reality they will be proposing to profile a specific ethnic group without realizing that the Muslim following comes in all ethnic groups. Its like my country.. the motto is "Out of many one people". When Americans think Jamaican, they think black men and women with dredlocks. I am not trying to be funny but thats how ignorant some of the population is. My country is a melting pot just like America. For peace sake you have Jamaicans with Japanese backgrounds to Ethiopian background. You cannot just see a Jamaican as just one racial group. The same goes for the Muslim Religion and Mideastern individuals. You get what im trying to explain?
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    Dec 30, 2009 7:48 AM GMT
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    Well...guess what? ALL recent terrorrists are islamic jihadist/fundamentaliststs...and NONE of them are registered republicans...In fact politically they far more resemble hard-core LEFTISTS...they hate rich people, they think that the USA is the cause of ALL of the worlds problems..radical, academic left-wing revisionists every one of them!..I bet that if they would sit down and have coffee with Michael Moore they would walk away and feel quite satisfied that they had spent time with a kindred spirit!!!


    Except that those Islamic/jihadist/fundamentalists are religious fanatics who would actually have very little in common with Michael Moore or left-wing academics. I don't think either side would consider the other side to be anything like kindred spirits.

    In fact, there are areas in which the way they view things more closely resembles that of fundamentalist Christians who are more likely to be Republicans than Democrats. Areas like gay rights, rights for women, abortion.

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    Dec 30, 2009 7:56 AM GMT
    Unoblivion said
    Sean85 saidThis has already been happening. When I went to Spain anyone with dark skin was pulled to the side after getting off the plane my family and other white people were not held up. It was July 2002 so 9/11 was pretty fresh.. But I was still very disgusted by it.

    I mean this will only cause people who are targeted to want to act out more against the west..


    Yes, but they are already acting out, so these measures would help stop them regardless of whether or not the measures provoke more terrorists to try.


    Yeah well its not going to stop the muslim guy down the street driving a car bomb into a school..
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    Dec 30, 2009 8:01 AM GMT
    chuckystud saidAnn Coulter was pushing for profiling last night on TV.

    A line for icky Muslims, and a line for everyone else.

    Clearly, false belief systems have their issues, but, I'm not sure that segregation, profiling, prejudice, etc. is the cure. It seems to have not worked very well in the past as The Innocence Project demonstrates.

    We've (as a society) committed some horrible offenses against those folks that are different from the main stream or of a certain color.

    The whole profiling thing, I think, is more just for the GOP folks to be their usable disagreeable, obstructionist, selves.

    Bottom line, security wasn't what it should have been, for folks for ANY color or ANY belief system.


    Well I need to say that I agree with you!...Actually current security isn't PERFECT but that's OK. Any ethnic or religeon-based profiling against anyone who is a member of a minority group is incredibly and unbelievably offensive! Yes it may be unfortunate for me that a family member like my mother could possibly die on a plane flying that is bombed into or out of some gawd-foraken backwater like Detroit but that's TOTALLY OK as long as the GOP would not get their silly, narrow-minded way!!!...After all, don't we all HATE the GOP! Yes those loathesome GOP people want us to beware of those so-called "terrorists" of Al Quaida....cha! The truth is that Al Quaida people aren't so bad...At least they aren't REPUBLICANS...yeah good point!!! After all, Islam is THE religeon of peace--in spite of the fact that it commands that all gays be exterminated...at least most muslims vote like solidly loyally BLUE STATE DEMOCRATS!!! YEAH!!! How dare those GOP people try to get us all alarmed over a non-existant foreign threat...After all 9/11 was all a George Bush/GOP plot...Michael Moore basically said so...And NO Michael Moore is not a marxist...
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    chuckystud saidAnn Coulter was pushing for profiling last night on TV.

    A line for icky Muslims, and a line for everyone else.

    Clearly, false belief systems have their issues, but, I'm not sure that segregation, profiling, prejudice, etc. is the cure. It seems to have not worked very well in the past as The Innocence Project demonstrates.

    We've (as a society) committed some horrible offenses against those folks that are different from the main stream or of a certain color.

    The whole profiling thing, I think, is more just for the GOP folks to be their usable disagreeable, obstructionist, selves.

    Bottom line, security wasn't what it should have been, for folks for ANY color or ANY belief system.


    Well I need to say that I agree with you!...Actually current security isn't PERFECT but that's OK. Any ethnic or religeon-based profiling against anyone who is a member of a minority group is incredibly and unbelievably offensive! Yes it may be unfortunate for me that a family member like my mother could possibly die on a plane flying that is bombed into or out of some gawd-foraken backwater like Detroit but that's TOTALLY OK as long as the GOP would not get their silly, narrow-minded way!!!...After all, don't we all HATE the GOP! Yes those loathesome GOP people want us to beware of those so-called "terrorists" of Al Quaida....cha! The truth is that Al Quaida people aren't so bad...At least they aren't REPUBLICANS...yeah good point!!! After all, Islam is THE religeon of peace--in spite of the fact that it commands that all gays be exterminated...at least most muslims vote like solidly loyally BLUE STATE DEMOCRATS!!! YEAH!!! How dare those GOP people try to get us all alarmed over a non-existant foreign threat...After all 9/11 was all a George Bush/GOP plot...Michael Moore basically said so...And NO Michael Moore is not a marxist...


    Worth remembering is that in June there was a bipartisan vote in the House on an amendment sponsored by a Republican that would have made full-body scans allowable only as a secondary screening method and then only if that was the passenger's preference:

    http://www.postonpolitics.com/2009/12/full-body-airport-scans-reps-hastings-rooney-wexler-opposed-them-in-june-vote/

    Joe Wilson was a co-sponsor. He said, "I have faith in metal detectors. Simple, little metal detectors that we've had for 40 years. I feel very secure for the American people with those. A metal detector should be about 90 percent of airport security."

    Meanwhile, the Republican leadership placed a "hold" on Obama's choice to head the Transportation Security Administration for reasons that seem to me influenced more by politics than any truly substantive concerns. Story is on the linked page if you scroll down a bit:

    http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=8024930

    Obviously, I'm not blaming the Republicans for what happened. There was a real breakdown. But the Republicans shouldn't be blaming the Democrats. What should happen is a good-faith bipartisan collaboration to truly determine the best ways to prevent terrorist attacks and to see those methods implemented with as much consistency as possible.

    But I do believe that racial profiling is not the best way or a very effective way to prevent terrorist attacks.
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    Dec 30, 2009 8:51 AM GMT
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    free_spirit09 saidBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
    Friedrich Nietzsche


    quoting Friedrich Nietzsche is good and all but what about your own thoughts....just quoting the words of one of the best philosophers does not say anything..why dont you formulate some form of argument to stand with the quotes that you provide.....


    Although the most acute judges of the witches and even the witches themselves, were convinced of the guilt of witchery, the guilt nevertheless was non-existent. It is thus with all guilt.
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