Body Scanning......For or Against it?

  • silverfox

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    Dec 31, 2009 1:59 AM GMT
    It is hard for me to believe that in this day and age there are people out there that oppose the body scanning machines at airports. I mean, really.

    But maybe I am missing something?

    Is there anyone out there who has gone through this machine at the airport....who can share thoughts?

    What do you think...... should body scanning machines be mandatory?

    I say yes 100% yes.

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    Dec 31, 2009 2:04 AM GMT
    personally I don't really care.

    Scan me, don't scan me, just don't strip search me again and give me an ugly cop to do a cavity search!!!
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    Dec 31, 2009 2:05 AM GMT
    Just wait till they see the 12 incher I am packin!!!

    LOL
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    Dec 31, 2009 2:08 AM GMT
    Now, now, Mystic_ man...you know you can't carry a kielbasa aboard an airplane nowadays!!icon_lol.gif
  • Timbales

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    Dec 31, 2009 3:10 AM GMT
    I'm against it, I feel it's an invasion and that there are other means of doing the same thing. They can use metal detectors and those machines like they have at the Statue of Liberty that blow the puffs of air on you. Those full body scan things aren't fool proof, someone could put something in a body cavity and it wouldn't pick it up.
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    Dec 31, 2009 3:14 AM GMT
    Against. A body scanner will add another 2 hours to the check-in process if everyone has to go through it. This machine should only be used on people that are on that "special" list.

    The TSA is just giving more reasons for foreigners to NOT come to the US, whether it's for business or leisure. This is hurting the travel industry, as well as the general US economy.

    It would be great if this thing was real..

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    Dec 31, 2009 3:30 AM GMT
    I don’t understand the arguments against it either. I’ve seen the types of images these machines produce, and there’s nothing intrusive about them. In any event, I don’t see why people should face an increased risk of death simply because some other people find their own fat or whatever a little embarrassing. I mean, really? These people are so selfish they’d really allow other people to suffer a higher risk of mutilation or death just for that nonsense? Really?

    As for timberoo’s claim that other technologies can accomplish the same thing, the metal-detector claim isn’t true, and I would think that it would be easy to shrinkwrap an explosive (for removal in the airplane’s bathroom) to defeat the air-puff/explosive residue tech (not to knock that tech, but it too isn’t “foolproof.” Why would you hold any of these devices to that standard? Using multiple things together would be best, imo.)

    xrichx raises an interesting point with wait times, but I’m skeptical it would add that much time even if we used them in addition to metal detectors.
  • JP85257

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    Dec 31, 2009 4:14 AM GMT
    Profiling.

    Plain and simple.
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    Dec 31, 2009 4:26 AM GMT
    The little extra time to be scanned is well worth it. I think anything we can do to prevent these creeps from getting on planes is well worth it. If we have another incident like this of terrorists like this getting on planes, I think people are going to lose confidence in the security of our airports. We can't afford to have another incident like this again. Over 200 people were almost killed by this guy.
  • JP85257

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    Dec 31, 2009 4:34 AM GMT
    G_Force saidThe little extra time to be scanned is well worth it. I think anything we can do to prevent these creeps from getting on planes is well worth it. If we have another incident like this of terrorists like this getting on planes, I think people are going to lose confidence in the security of our airports. We can't afford to have another incident like this again. Over 200 people were almost killed by this guy.

    LOSE confidence? I dont think there is any to lose. Airport security is a joke and if those assholes are unionized we are really screwed.
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    Dec 31, 2009 5:00 AM GMT
    100% For. There is absolutely no logical argument that can be said against using these machines. Mole that you don't want people to see? An embarrasing body art piece? Get over it. And what invasion of privacy? What could you possible have on your body going through a scanner that you wouldn't want people to see?
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    Dec 31, 2009 11:10 AM GMT
    is it safe for people with heart pacer, bone metals, etc? just wondering...
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    Dec 31, 2009 11:18 AM GMT
    I really don't care....

    The truth is that the vast of these inane rules are made up with the prospect of inspiring a sense of security rather than actually protect anyone, if the scanners get me through security faster and mean less dealing with what really has to be truly incompetent airport security employees.

    I've been strip searched several times and the first time was the worst the guy was an ass....i had to stand there in my underwear while he rifled through my bags pulling receipts out of the pockets and asking why had I bought a magazine in heathrow if i had traveled from gatwick.....who was the individual in this picture tucked in my notebook......What did this page of college notes refer to icon_neutral.gif

    On another point...I hope if the US is going to insist on using these on all US flights bound that they will pay for it..... It's their foreign policy that brought about these issues, and their politicians proposing these extra security measures to keep themselves in office.... not to mention a kickback to GE or lockheed or whatever american corporation has it's hands in the white house and makes these scanners

    but it's likely that it will end up as another ticket surcharge
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    Dec 31, 2009 11:28 AM GMT
    Really? I mean... really?

    Do people just NOT care at ALL about - not JUSt their privacy - but their RIGHTS?

    It's amazing to me, that I open this thread, and almost everyone is FOR it, or indifferent, that people justify it.

    It is, without question, a violation of privacy. Where does the erosion of rights and freedoms end? And why do we, the stupid, ignorant plebs (which is how we are viewed) continue to not only ACCEPT our freedoms and rights being dismantled and stripped, but we JUSTIFY it and CHEER it on.

    And everyone says, "oh, it's for our security", "we need to fight terrorists, whoever they are, where ever they are"

    oh, and dont forget, the terrorists HATE you because of your "Freedom". So, to fight them, and "protect" yourself from them... give away all your freedoms. Then they will have nothing to hate you for. You'd live under an authoritarian state, but hey, it's for our "protection."

    Historically, when a society begins the process of dismantling rights and freedoms of its people, it DOESN'T stop until it's all gone. And it seems that it will be justified and applauded all the way.

    After reading this thread, I'm not going to lie, I kind of lost some hope in humanity.

    "Those who give up liberty for security, deserve neither"
    - Thomas Jefferson
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    Dec 31, 2009 11:39 AM GMT
    My indifference to these body scanners is only to a point Meoh, if they attempt to justify using them in other places I will have something to say about it.

    However, I've worked for companies that required a LOT more digging into my personal information then being seen butt naked by some person behind a scanner.

    Invasion of privacy by scanning me as I walk into an airport isn't much concern considering I've had much worse dug up about me, presented to be and placed under a grueling series of questions.

    But I am the same with everything, from speed cameras (which I'm successfully helped get removed) to fighting things like internet filtering and so on.

    I'm not indifferent about the body scanners because it some how doesn't affect me (although, the likelyhood of me going to the US is pretty slim) but because I don't see much problem with it, I would however see a problem with such things like camera's being installed everywhere to watch the public, laws that allow someone to do a police check for no reason, pry into personal information and so on.
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    Dec 31, 2009 11:42 AM GMT
    I support those completely. Rather let them take 2 hours to check-in than risking my life with a terrorist on board.
  • GQjock

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    Dec 31, 2009 11:45 AM GMT
    Body scans are irrelevant to me
    The real issue is that they should be finding these guys BEFORE they get on the plane
    When you're patting down grandmothers and having people remove their shoes and belts and everything else they are doing we should be focusing more on apprehending these guys who stick out like sore thumbs
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    Dec 31, 2009 11:47 AM GMT
    I feel that much of what goes on at the airports today is what I call "security theater."

    Body scanning will be just another act in an ongoing play. No matter what we do, if someone or some groups want to harm Americans, they're going to find a way to do it.

    However, I am also resigned to the fact that flying is going to be unpleasant no matter what (not that it was great before 2001), so if they would dump the other stuff, then I guess we can all be scanned.

    If they're set on doing this, and apparently they now are, then ALL materials except what we're wearing and IDs (medical allowances) should have to be checked. The checked luggage is already x-rayed and searched.

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    Dec 31, 2009 11:54 AM GMT
    lilTanker saidMy indifference to these body scanners is only to a point Meoh, if they attempt to justify using them in other places I will have something to say about it.

    However, I've worked for companies that required a LOT more digging into my personal information then being seen butt naked by some person behind a scanner.

    Invasion of privacy by scanning me as I walk into an airport isn't much concern considering I've had much worse dug up about me, presented to be and placed under a grueling series of questions.

    But I am the same with everything, from speed cameras (which I'm successfully helped get removed) to fighting things like internet filtering and so on.

    I'm not indifferent about the body scanners because it some how doesn't affect me (although, the likelyhood of me going to the US is pretty slim) but because I don't see much problem with it, I would however see a problem with such things like camera's being installed everywhere to watch the public, laws that allow someone to do a police check for no reason, pry into personal information and so on.


    Hope is returning. Thank you!

    Such a relief to read that.

    I'm in Vancouver, and the Olympics are coming, and my city is becoming a police state (something that has been underway for many years now), and we are setting up a surveillance society... and these things arent going to leave when all the tourists do.

    Our police are bad enough as it is, I've seen and heard of enough police brutality in this city to not be much of a fan of it turning into a surveillance/police state. I mean, the Vancouver police tasered and killed a Polish man at the airport because he was having a mental breakdown and was freaking out... so they tasered him 8 times and jumped on his neck. All they needed was a translator, but killing him is easier... apparently.

    Clubs scan and register ID cards, take your photo, have it linked up to some "central database," our Province has introduced ID cards, which they call "enhanced drivers licenses" which have RFID chips in them, and are to spread continent wide as North American ID cards. Cameras are springing up everywhere, as cities around the world follow London's lead.

    My generation is going to inherit a world of nothing worth fighting for. We are generally SO acquiescent and ignorant of our freedoms and rights that we don't even notice they are disappearing.

    When did it become normal to be watched everywhere you go?

    It still amazes me that there is no such thing as "rights" when traveling, or at an airport.

    And yes, internet filtering is a huge issue. The one remaining democratic system, the internet, is under attack. And most people just don't give a shit.

    So thank you, tanker, for being... a thinking person. I don't even know what to say to people who think "this is great!"... how about they just get it over with and set the constitution on fire, it's not like they're using it anyway.

    Thanks, tank, for giving me hope. I mean that. I'm relieved.
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    Dec 31, 2009 12:02 PM GMT
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    Dec 31, 2009 12:06 PM GMT
    as with all things in society, these things will ebb and flow, laws will increase until they really start affecting people. then they'll say no, when the young generation start saying no and pushing back things will move back again.

    However, right now, governments are using fear to get these things through and unfortunately businesses and groups are all for it because it makes it easier for them to extract control.

    But again, things ebb and flow in all societies, you just need that core resistant pain in the arse that never goes quietly (ie, people like you icon_razz.gif )
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    Dec 31, 2009 12:12 PM GMT
    Haha, yes, and I will continue to do so.

    However, my fear is that this trend is not in one country, but international. And that things are and have been steadily increasing (or decreasing, rather) at such an alarming rate, that by the time people NOTICE, it will be too late.

    I find Western "civilization" to be such an anomaly. Everyone is grouped into their own "group identity" - Republican, Democrat, conservative, liberal, gay, black, latino, etc etc - and each group fights for THEIR own rights.

    Meanwhile... ALL of their rights are being taken away.

    I don't see the logic in fighting for equal marriage rights if we are willing and cheering on the dismantling of rights to privacy, freedom of movement, freedom of association, and freedom of speech.

    No wonder people are treated like idiots by their rulers... if you act like sheep, expect to be treated like sheep.
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    Dec 31, 2009 12:12 PM GMT
    Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, Deserve neither


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    Dec 31, 2009 12:12 PM GMT
    It's an ACLU thing, unfortunately. I love the ACLU, just not on this matter. Rights is rights, but if they want to check my underwear for explosives...icon_eek.gif
    I say, "Go for it, dude!"
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    Dec 31, 2009 12:22 PM GMT
    MeOhMy saidHaha, yes, and I will continue to do so.

    However, my fear is that this trend is not in one country, but international. And that things are and have been steadily increasing (or decreasing, rather) at such an alarming rate, that by the time people NOTICE, it will be too late.

    I find Western "civilization" to be such an anomaly. Everyone is grouped into their own "group identity" - Republican, Democrat, conservative, liberal, gay, black, latino, etc etc - and each group fights for THEIR own rights.

    Meanwhile... ALL of their rights are being taken away.

    I don't see the logic in fighting for equal marriage rights if we are willing and cheering on the dismantling of rights to privacy, freedom of movement, freedom of association, and freedom of speech.

    No wonder people are treated like idiots by their rulers... if you act like sheep, expect to be treated like sheep.

    Oh indeed things are declining at an incredibly rate, but there are many things for it, the great thing however is that no rule, no law is written in stone, even country constitutions can be changed.

    Unfortunately, things will get a lot worse before they get better, but they always get better, whether we see it happen or not