Steroids or stuff like Zma??

  • Ziggy1

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    Jan 02, 2010 11:47 PM GMT
    Hey gents!

    Right, I know that there are a heap of threads on steroids and the like but I want to make my own thread just because icon_lol.gif .

    I am in pretty decent shape but after seeing some guys (yes, I know you shouldn't compare) I want to have the 'thickness' of body that I just can't seem to get but taking creatine, protein and going to the gym 5 days a week.

    If i do decide to g for steroids Im thinking of Winstrol as I've been told its good. I dont want to GET MASSIVE, I just want to get that 'thickness' icon_rolleyes.gif Be happy with what you have is great advice but thats not really human nature, is it boys? We always strive for something (we think) better... slim want to bulk up, bulky want to slim down, etc.

    So! Anyway either I want to do 1 (only 1) cycle and then try to keep the mass I get (and hopefully not get any nasty side effects) OR go for the less extreme approach and take things like Zma to slowly build the body I want ( I dont want to be an old man by the time that happens though icon_razz.gif)

    SO, WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO: should I go for a steriod as a once off OR take Zma and alike and get gains reasonably fast? (does stuff like Zma actually work, and if so how long does it take to see reasonable results?)

    Thanks boyz icon_twisted.gificon_wink.gif
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    Jan 03, 2010 4:53 AM GMT
    I've tried ZMA on and off over the years, and I can honestly say that it doesn't do much. For me, at least.

    I've got nothing against steroids, but I think it's a waste of money if you're not going to become a competitive bodybuilder. Also, doing only one cycle and hoping to keep your gains is unrealistic. I've seen guys come off of a cycle and shrink back down to their original size.

    Also, you really need to know what you're doing. Don't rely too much on bits of information you read on forums or from some random juicer you meet at the gym. You really need a qualified doctor to monitor your health while you're using the stuff.

    I think you can gain lean muscle mass without the steroids. You just need to change your workout routine and your diet.
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    Jan 03, 2010 5:06 AM GMT
    you've got the perfect lean body that many of us like, so why you wanna go mess it up with steroids? yuk. resist the pressure to get 'big'. i see the big boys at the gym every day and don't find it interesting or sexy at all. it's not healthy either. just my 2 cents.
  • B71115

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    Jan 03, 2010 5:12 AM GMT
    winstrol won't really do what you want. you need to learn more about it before you even dream about it
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 03, 2010 5:14 AM GMT
    rightasrain saidyou've got the perfect lean body that many of us like, so why you wanna go mess it up with steroids? yuk. resist the pressure to get 'big'. i see the big boys at the gym every day and don't find it interesting or sexy at all. it's not healthy either. just my 2 cents.



    I agree. You look great the way you are and steroids will mess with that. Just keep living s healthy lifestyle and keep up with your workouts and you'll keep getting better and better naturally.
  • danisnotstr8

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    Jan 03, 2010 5:15 AM GMT
    Typical Los Angeles faggot. There's more to life than image. Blech.
  • Celticmusl

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    Jan 03, 2010 5:17 AM GMT
    Winstrol is a cutting steroid, so not sure why you would want something like that. You might want to try a legal superdrol knockoff, since superdrol is no longer sold OTC. But using prohormones is a bit tricky to keep the gains, it might just be better to hit the gym harder in the long run. As a side note, I was pretty small when I started working out at 25 yrs old.

    ZMA is good to take as a support supplement that helps your body create testosterone, but really unless you have tons of money to burn, it would not be something I would necessarily invest in, or even expect any gains from. I do take ZMA, but it just so happens to be in a supplement I am currently taking.

    If you want to go all natural, you might like what I am taking, Reversitol by Iforce.
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    Jan 03, 2010 5:42 AM GMT
    I actually like ZMA. I am not, however, sold on the fact that it can increase T levels--there is only one study that found the relationship, and I think several studies since have debunked it. The reason I like it is it is relatively inexpensive (less than $10 for a months supply) and it does seem to leave me feeling more refreshed in the morning when I take it before I go to bed. It is subtle though, and sometimes I don't feel anything.

    Steroids I have no experience with, and will leave that topic to other posters. I am not really interested in health and legal risks involved, not to mention the expense. But your situation may be different.

  • Ziggy1

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    Jan 11, 2010 3:18 AM GMT
    Thanks guys, appreciate the replies

    Ive decided not to go with steroids as I dont want to risk messing up my natural ability to produce testosterone afterwards... Im going to mix up my routine more and push myself that bit harder. I eat pretty well but Ill see about that too.

    Thanks everyone icon_wink.gif for the replies (apart from jerk off danisnotstr8 icon_evil.gif that is, who called me a typical LA Faggot...V)

    Thanks again
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    Jan 11, 2010 3:19 AM GMT
    I only used ZMA for the placebo effect of better sleep... and even then.
  • UFJocknerd

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    Jan 11, 2010 3:44 AM GMT
    If your first inclination is Winstrol, and your reason for not doing it is fear of not having test production return to normal afterwards, both are indications that you do not know enough about AAS to begin a cycle. So, good decision.
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    Jan 11, 2010 4:11 AM GMT
    danisnotstr8 saidTypical Los Angeles faggot. There's more to life than image. Blech.
    you sound like real quality type of guy...congrats!! BTW Sacasm
  • tseca66

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    Jan 11, 2010 4:18 AM GMT
    danisnotstr8 saidTypical Los Angeles faggot. There's more to life than image. Blech.


    Really? As a 43 yr old gay man living in Hollywood Ca ( a suburb in LA) , you insult me. I went hiking in the mountains by the beach today. It was 70 degrees.

    How's Jersey working out for ya?
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    Jan 11, 2010 4:29 AM GMT
    tseca66 said
    danisnotstr8 saidTypical Los Angeles faggot. There's more to life than image. Blech.


    Really? As a 43 yr old gay man living in Hollywood Ca ( a suburb in LA) , you insult me. I went hiking in the mountains by the beach today. It was 70 degrees.

    How's Jersey working out for ya?


    Snap!
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    Jan 12, 2010 12:07 AM GMT
    ....i use ZMA at bedtime....and Trib if my libidos down....never associated it with gains?

    ive done a few cycles.....the hard part is keeping the gains post cycle....you must plan your pct as detaied as ur aas.