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    Jan 03, 2010 5:06 PM GMT
    why is there no topics on AAS?.....isn't allowed on RJ?
  • UFJocknerd

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    Jan 03, 2010 7:43 PM GMT
    There've been a few discussions. It typically rapidly degenerates into folks who think the sight of AAS will cause your balls to fall off and is morally akin to massacring a small village, and folks who think that AAS have no side effects at all and are totally safe for everyone.
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    Jan 03, 2010 10:19 PM GMT
    UFJocknerd saidThere've been a few discussions. It typically rapidly degenerates into folks who think the sight of AAS will cause your balls to fall off and is morally akin to massacring a small village, and folks who think that AAS have no side effects at all and are totally safe for everyone.


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    Jan 03, 2010 10:21 PM GMT
    what is AAS?
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    Jan 03, 2010 10:37 PM GMT
    Yep- got the same googling it
  • UFJocknerd

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    Jan 03, 2010 10:45 PM GMT
    Anabolic-androgenic steroids
  • Anto

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    Jan 03, 2010 10:46 PM GMT
    I think he means steroids.
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    Jan 03, 2010 10:52 PM GMT
    UFJocknerd saidThere've been a few discussions. It typically rapidly degenerates into folks who think the sight of AAS will cause your balls to fall off and is morally akin to massacring a small village, and folks who think that AAS have no side effects at all and are totally safe for everyone.


    MikePhil will show up and say that anyone who takes any substance other than pure spring water blessed by the Pope himself will rot in hell for all eternity. Chucky will counter that baby boys enter andropause the very second after they are born and will become pussy fat asses if they don't begin massive quantities of AAS the moment the cord is cut

    In other words, break out the popcorn, sit back and enjoy the show.

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    Jan 03, 2010 11:21 PM GMT
    I think GS summed it up perfectly. icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 04, 2010 12:24 AM GMT
    I don't think there is a problem discussing AAS on RJ, after all exchanging information is perfectly legal. The problem is in selling them and possessing them. It is also a very personal subject and people have very definite opinions about them. My advice, take whatever is said here as basic information and research it yourself and then you have to weigh the cost and benefit.....to do, or not to do? That is the question for you IF you are even considering it....you may just want information.

    Personally I think AAS should be declassified as controlled substances and made more readily available to anyone who chooses to use them. Recreational drugs, tobacco and alcohol do far more harm than steroids ever will!

    I see it as akin to the argument that those in favor of abortion use. Women have the right to decide how they are going to treat their bodies and should have access to safe medical care when and if they choose to have a procedure like abortion. I personally don't believe in it but I will totally defend a woman's right to make that choice for herself.

    Same with men/women and steriods. If someone wants to have the best body they can naturally....great. If they choose to use enhancements and take it beyond the level they could achieve naturally, then they should be able to make that choice legally.

    If you are going to outlaw steroids because they MAY cause "unnatural/premature" death, then we should totally outlaw tobacco and alcohol because we KNOW they cause premature death and not just in the user but in people around them by second hand smoke or driving while intoxicated. Do we outlaw them? NO! We educate people about the hazards, institute a law to regulate who can legally drink and punishment for those who abuse but leave it up to the individual to chose if they will or won't use/abuse.

    Most of the stigma around steroids come from cases of EXCESS and just like any other drug, people who abuse them will have issues. Use of steroids does not cause long term health issues but ABUSE, probably most certainly does. We don't know because no studies have been done to prove one way or the other.

    Most likely the person who uses them occasionally to build their bodies and takes appropriate time off of them will have no long term adverse effects. The person who is 5' 8" and weighs 350 pounds and can barely walk normal and never goes off them.....is probably going to have issues down the road. Again, who knows. That is my personal observation from being around fitness and bodybuilding for so long and having done some homework on the subject myself.

    It's normal to be curious and to have questions. It's nice to get straightforward honest answers vs assumption and conjecture based on peoples fear and ignorance. Hopefully whatever is written here will be constructive discussion.
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    Jan 04, 2010 2:20 AM GMT
    The op is from Glasgow... It's legal to import, poscess and use.... Just not to sell and or give them to anyone else
  • UFJocknerd

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    Jan 04, 2010 3:18 AM GMT
    In general I agree with Short. I think people should have a right to do what they want with their own bodies, but there are some considerations here... for example, before cosmetic surgery people are given a psych workup to screen for body dysmorphic conditions. Similarly, I think there's a problem when AAS are used by men in an attempt to resolve some body dissatisfaction problems (which they won't).

    I think the point about use vs. abuse is really the take-home message. AAS can be used moderately, using sterile practices, in a controlled and appropriate way, and benefit the user without major consequences. Abuse, though, is probably going to be met with some pretty significant health consequences down the line.
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    Jan 04, 2010 4:54 AM GMT
    MsclDrew....he's lucky then. All he has to do is decide if it's for him or not.

    UFJocknerd, I agree with you on the body dysmorphia point. Not a good reason for plastic surgery and not a good reason to do steroids.

    I intend to compete again as soon as my life settles down enough to focus on everything....the workouts, the diet, the preparation and the cost of just showing up on the day of the competition. It all gets to be a bit steep but after doing my first show this summer, I can't wait to get back to just me, the weights, the challenge of sculpting your body to be it's best and the sense of accomplishment on show day that you've put your heart and soul into it and walked home with that trophy in hand. I'll probably never go beyond a middleweight but I personally just can't imagine me any bigger than that. That's just me though.
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    Jan 04, 2010 5:12 AM GMT
    Awesome commentary...definitely agree with Short and UF...
  • Anto

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    Jan 04, 2010 6:38 AM GMT
    I think the more important argument would be how it might affect a person's body and health.
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    Jan 04, 2010 9:16 AM GMT
    Anto saidI think the more important argument would be how it might affect a person's body and health.


    And that argument would be?
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    Jan 06, 2010 11:30 PM GMT
    MsclDrew saidThe op is from Glasgow... It's legal to import, poscess and use.... Just not to sell and or give them to anyone else



    yea...sorry people...my thread was meant to be based on BEING on AAS.....i am on my 3rd cycle .....you can posess gear here for personal useicon_biggrin.gif

    I agree its a choice...down to the person....pros and cons....however for me its been positive all the way....no sides( yet)....i have good support....and a trusted supplier...i would never buy off line

    its huge in the UK....u will find it in almost every gym....all of the uk muscle sites have AAS sections for users to share, learn and coach through their cycles

    I enjoy the process of injecting...kinda look forward to it....


    anyway...thats just me.....my take on it.....

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    Jan 06, 2010 11:37 PM GMT
    There are probably more appropriate places, like this one:

    http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=148

    Bluelight is a substance use harm reduction website. Post all your AAS related forums there and be merry.
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    Jan 06, 2010 11:41 PM GMT
    nottingham_fella saidPersonally its upto the individual if he takes AAS. They need to research what they will be taking and researching where they will be getting the stuff from. There are alot of scammers out there. I have known alot of 16 to 18 year olds who have older friends who have used or are using steroids and want to use themselves. I would not recomend anyone under 21 to use them...

    ...What is the Right Age to Start Using Steroids?

    At what age should you be, before you consider using steroids? This question is not as easily answered as you may think it is. You cannot randomly just pick an age and say that this is the point at which you can now start to consider using steroids.

    Between the ages of 12 and 26 a male's hormone levels are on a steady rise until the age of 26. This is when these levels slowly start to decline until they are almost nonexistent by the ripe old age of 40.

    When puberty starts in males at the age of 12 there is a huge flux in hormonal patterns in the body, which cause the growth of male characteristics, (deepening of the voice, growth of body hair, growth in height, etc.). These hormone levels increase by themselves so much that they can be compared to that of a mild steroid cycle. Therefore trying to add to what the body is doing on its own by adding in exogenous (outside) Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is very counter productive.

    Whenever any extra amount of AAS is added to the body, the body recognizes this extra level through a feedback loop in the human body known as the Hypothalamus. Once the Hypothalamus recognizes the increase in hormones which happens usually between 14 and 21 days, the body will shut off its own production of hormones until these levels decrease, along with increasing hormones to decrease these extra levels in the body (cortisone, estrogen). Cortisone and Estrogen are 2 hormones in the body that BBs do not need any extra. The easiest way to try to explain this without getting to complicated, is that the more AAS you put in your body, the more your body will try to lower those levels. When this happens BBs get all the side effects that are normally associated with AAS use, gynecomastia (growth of fatty tissue underneath the breasts in males), hair loss, kidney damage, liver damage, and high blood pressure, just to name a few).

    Before you consider the use of AAS you should have already reached your genetic potential. What is your genetic potential? To figure this out you should first look at the weight, height and build of other members in your family. Is this exact, no, but it is somewhere to start. If every male on both sides of your family is approximately 5'7" and weighs between 150lbs and 170lbs and they are all bald by the age of 25, then it would be a good guess that you will also fall somewhere in those ranges by the time you stop growing. Now with working out and eating correctly for 4 years lets say, you would be able to put on 15 or more pounds of muscle tissue (that would mean you now weigh 165-185 lbs.). This is what your genetic potential would be. Now if you started to use steroids at that point, 165-185 lbs you may be able to put on another 15-20 lbs (180-200lbs). If you had started using when you were 125 lbs., and gained 25lbs through the use of steroids, you would still be well short of what you could have gotten naturally (150lbs as compared to 180-200lbs), and now it will be much harder to try to gain another 30-40lbs.

    So for a starting point lets say that you need to be at least 18 years of age before you consider using steroids. Now that we have a starting point, lets look at a few other factors that should be considered. Steroids DO NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM makes up for a good diet and workout program. Most people who use AAS feel that this is the time where they can be a little more relaxed in their workouts and diet. Actually this is when they should be even more strict. So before you can think of using at the age of 18, you will need 3 more solid years of good training and eating habits. Minor changes in diet and workouts can result in great gains in mass and muscle as well as strength.

    No matter how much assistance you get from AAS, without proper nutrition and workouts you will be lucky to have any gains at all, let alone keep them after the cycle is over. The goal of using any substance, legal or not should be that after you stop using it you don't loose all of that which you have fought to get. What would be the point of spending all that money (steroids are not free) to gain that 30lbs when you will loose it after the cycle is over anyway?

    So the better question to ask instead of when can I take steroids, should be, what can I do to get all that I can out of my body without needing steroids?. In order to calculate my progress, I need to talk with my family and doctors, before I try to make a choice like that.

    We will start with the age range of 14-16; this is when your hormones are raging. Your body is in full swing of making the best steroids that you can ever get, and it does all this without you even needing to do a single thing. At this point you should start with a solid exercise plan and a basic supplement plan in addition to the regular food that you need to be eating on a regular basis.

    For workouts focus on the basic compound movements (Bench Press, Squats, Deadlifts, Barbell Curls, etc.) Working out 4 days a week with at least 8 hours of sleep a night is a great start. Add to that the extra protein that you should be taking and you will definitely start seeing a difference in your body. As for supplements, at this point all I would suggest is a good Meal Replacement Shake, multi-vitamin and creatine. Any shake will work, just add 2 shakes a day to the 3 solid meals that you should already be eating. Creatine has more benefits then I could start to explain in this article, but what I can say is that it will help your strength, muscle, speed, and recovery without any negative side effects.

    By the age of 16-18 you will have had most of your growth spurts and you will be ready to change a few more things in your overall plan. You workouts can become a little more specialized as you start using different exercises. As for your nutrition program, all that I would think of adding now would be something such as extra glutamine before bed and maybe a ZMA supplement. You still don?t want to take anything that would alter what your body is doing on its own, so using ZMA and glutamine is just what you need.

    Somewhere between 18 and 21 you should be just about done growing, so what should you do differently now? Add more protein! You should be getting at the very least, your body weight in grams of protein per day! And that?s at the very least! By now you will have been working out consistently for quite a while and should know your body very well. What will work and what won?t work should be old news. There isn?t really anything new to add to what is already a great program, other than Tribulus and maybe a pre-workout supplement such as Ultimate Orange. After this point, you can start to consider the use of steroids. What about them? Are they as terrible as everyone seems to think they are? As long as they are used correctly, I don?t think so. When considering their use, I feel that orals should be used as late as possible. These are most harmful on the body and therefore should not be used for a very long time.

    Another thing to consider, other than the side effects I have already spoken of, is your sex drive. Some AAS will make your sex drive almost nonexistent and will have a big effect on your sperm count. These drugs in particular should try to be avoided. That leaves mild anabolics. Although they are the safest to use, they are expensive, illegal, and require the use of a needle. Which most first time users do not want to use.



    a lot of key points in the above pos
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    Jan 06, 2010 11:44 PM GMT
    syd_hockey_79 saidThere are probably more appropriate places, like this one:

    http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=148

    Bluelight is a substance use harm reduction website. Post all your AAS related forums there and be merry.


    im cool buddy....got all the support i need....its just unusual not to have the topic on a muscle siteicon_cool.gif
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    Jan 06, 2010 11:52 PM GMT
    Well it's not muscle site per say it's 'health & fitness' site and for most people that means inflatable balls and pretty pink plastic dumbellsicon_neutral.gif

    Your about to get a load of guys jumping on your case saying AAS have nothing to do with health fitness and are meatheads thinking all about appearences

    plus posting clearly photoshopped pics and saying eww don't want to look like that freak
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    Jan 07, 2010 12:28 AM GMT
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    Jan 07, 2010 12:43 AM GMT


    And that argument would be?
    How it might affect a person's body and health.
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    Jan 07, 2010 1:15 AM GMT
    nottingham_fella saidPersonally its upto the individual if he takes AAS. They need to research what they will be taking and researching where they will be getting the stuff from. There are alot of scammers out there. I have known alot of 16 to 18 year olds who have older friends who have used or are using steroids and want to use themselves. I would not recomend anyone under 21 to use them...

    ...What is the Right Age to Start Using Steroids?

    At what age should you be, before you consider using steroids? This question is not as easily answered as you may think it is. You cannot randomly just pick an age and say that this is the point at which you can now start to consider using steroids.

    Between the ages of 12 and 26 a male's hormone levels are on a steady rise until the age of 26. This is when these levels slowly start to decline until they are almost nonexistent by the ripe old age of 40.

    When puberty starts in males at the age of 12 there is a huge flux in hormonal patterns in the body, which cause the growth of male characteristics, (deepening of the voice, growth of body hair, growth in height, etc.). These hormone levels increase by themselves so much that they can be compared to that of a mild steroid cycle. Therefore trying to add to what the body is doing on its own by adding in exogenous (outside) Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is very counter productive.

    Whenever any extra amount of AAS is added to the body, the body recognizes this extra level through a feedback loop in the human body known as the Hypothalamus. Once the Hypothalamus recognizes the increase in hormones which happens usually between 14 and 21 days, the body will shut off its own production of hormones until these levels decrease, along with increasing hormones to decrease these extra levels in the body (cortisone, estrogen). Cortisone and Estrogen are 2 hormones in the body that BBs do not need any extra. The easiest way to try to explain this without getting to complicated, is that the more AAS you put in your body, the more your body will try to lower those levels. When this happens BBs get all the side effects that are normally associated with AAS use, gynecomastia (growth of fatty tissue underneath the breasts in males), hair loss, kidney damage, liver damage, and high blood pressure, just to name a few).

    Before you consider the use of AAS you should have already reached your genetic potential. What is your genetic potential? To figure this out you should first look at the weight, height and build of other members in your family. Is this exact, no, but it is somewhere to start. If every male on both sides of your family is approximately 5'7" and weighs between 150lbs and 170lbs and they are all bald by the age of 25, then it would be a good guess that you will also fall somewhere in those ranges by the time you stop growing. Now with working out and eating correctly for 4 years lets say, you would be able to put on 15 or more pounds of muscle tissue (that would mean you now weigh 165-185 lbs.). This is what your genetic potential would be. Now if you started to use steroids at that point, 165-185 lbs you may be able to put on another 15-20 lbs (180-200lbs). If you had started using when you were 125 lbs., and gained 25lbs through the use of steroids, you would still be well short of what you could have gotten naturally (150lbs as compared to 180-200lbs), and now it will be much harder to try to gain another 30-40lbs.

    So for a starting point lets say that you need to be at least 18 years of age before you consider using steroids. Now that we have a starting point, lets look at a few other factors that should be considered. Steroids DO NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM makes up for a good diet and workout program. Most people who use AAS feel that this is the time where they can be a little more relaxed in their workouts and diet. Actually this is when they should be even more strict. So before you can think of using at the age of 18, you will need 3 more solid years of good training and eating habits. Minor changes in diet and workouts can result in great gains in mass and muscle as well as strength.

    No matter how much assistance you get from AAS, without proper nutrition and workouts you will be lucky to have any gains at all, let alone keep them after the cycle is over. The goal of using any substance, legal or not should be that after you stop using it you don't loose all of that which you have fought to get. What would be the point of spending all that money (steroids are not free) to gain that 30lbs when you will loose it after the cycle is over anyway?

    So the better question to ask instead of when can I take steroids, should be, what can I do to get all that I can out of my body without needing steroids?. In order to calculate my progress, I need to talk with my family and doctors, before I try to make a choice like that.

    We will start with the age range of 14-16; this is when your hormones are raging. Your body is in full swing of making the best steroids that you can ever get, and it does all this without you even needing to do a single thing. At this point you should start with a solid exercise plan and a basic supplement plan in addition to the regular food that you need to be eating on a regular basis.

    For workouts focus on the basic compound movements (Bench Press, Squats, Deadlifts, Barbell Curls, etc.) Working out 4 days a week with at least 8 hours of sleep a night is a great start. Add to that the extra protein that you should be taking and you will definitely start seeing a difference in your body. As for supplements, at this point all I would suggest is a good Meal Replacement Shake, multi-vitamin and creatine. Any shake will work, just add 2 shakes a day to the 3 solid meals that you should already be eating. Creatine has more benefits then I could start to explain in this article, but what I can say is that it will help your strength, muscle, speed, and recovery without any negative side effects.

    By the age of 16-18 you will have had most of your growth spurts and you will be ready to change a few more things in your overall plan. You workouts can become a little more specialized as you start using different exercises. As for your nutrition program, all that I would think of adding now would be something such as extra glutamine before bed and maybe a ZMA supplement. You still don?t want to take anything that would alter what your body is doing on its own, so using ZMA and glutamine is just what you need.

    Somewhere between 18 and 21 you should be just about done growing, so what should you do differently now? Add more protein! You should be getting at the very least, your body weight in grams of protein per day! And that?s at the very least! By now you will have been working out consistently for quite a while and should know your body very well. What will work and what won?t work should be old news. There isn?t really anything new to add to what is already a great program, other than Tribulus and maybe a pre-workout supplement such as Ultimate Orange. After this point, you can start to consider the use of steroids. What about them? Are they as terrible as everyone seems to think they are? As long as they are used correctly, I don?t think so. When considering their use, I feel that orals should be used as late as possible. These are most harmful on the body and therefore should not be used for a very long time.

    Another thing to consider, other than the side effects I have already spoken of, is your sex drive. Some AAS will make your sex drive almost nonexistent and will have a big effect on your sperm count. These drugs in particular should try to be avoided. That leaves mild anabolics. Although they are the safest to use, they are expensive, illegal, and require the use of a needle. Which most first time users do not want to use.


    Very thorough. Thank you

    I've just
  • UFJocknerd

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    Jan 07, 2010 1:28 AM GMT
    Anto said

    And that argument would be?
    How it might affect a person's body and health.



    ...this is not an argument. Lots of things can negatively impact your health.