Creatine and ProHormone

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    Jan 07, 2010 8:49 PM GMT
    I'm about to start a PH cycle, but was wondering if in taking Creatine would be counter-productive, or over kill? My two previous trainers had me do Creatine 4 times for the first 7 days, and then cut back to 2 times idea. Any advice from knowledge or experience?
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    Jan 07, 2010 9:08 PM GMT
    why do you need PH you're frkin 20 icon_confused.gif oyu already have the testostrones you'll ever need even bb.com will strictly advise against it for our ages plus you'll get the irreversible PH 'gut'
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    Jan 07, 2010 9:17 PM GMT
    Too young.

    Many prohormones are more potentially dangerous than actual steroids.
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    Jan 07, 2010 9:26 PM GMT
    Well I feel I've hit a road block with my training. I'm doing Pre and Post Workout, Creatine, L-Glutamine, multivitamins, protein etc... What should try replacing, adding or removing?
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    Jan 07, 2010 9:49 PM GMT
    what are your goals?
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    Jan 07, 2010 9:58 PM GMT
    And how much are you currently eating every day?
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    Jan 07, 2010 10:02 PM GMT
    I eat quite a bit. I'm wanting to put on about 15 lbs and get about 4-6% less body fat by March. I had appendix problems in December, so the doctor recommended I cut back a little, but am all clear to get going again.

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    Jan 07, 2010 10:13 PM GMT
    GWACpwns saidI eat quite a bit.


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    Jan 07, 2010 10:27 PM GMT
    Breakfast:
    Lite Protein Shake (about 16g) when I wake up
    2-4 Eggs about half an hour later
    1 Small cup of coffee

    Snack:
    Protein Shake (32g)

    Lunch:
    Grilled chicken
    Raspberries
    Milk
    Almonds

    Snack/Pre Workout:
    Protein Shake (32g)

    Dinner:
    Chicken
    Potato
    Milk

    That's is pretty much constant day-to-day
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    Jan 08, 2010 2:41 AM GMT
    Want to make sure you hydrate a ton while taking creatine. Hope you are drinking lots of water, in addition to the food and drinks you mentioned specifically in your daily diet. Stuff works great but is hard on the kidneys.

    Like another guy said: You do not need pro-hormone at your age unless you were born with a non-functioning pituitary gland or some other rare endocrinal condition.

    Me? on the other hand: I probably NEED the pro-hormone or maybe even the hormone itself! LOL! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 08, 2010 3:14 AM GMT
    GWACpwns saidBreakfast:
    Lite Protein Shake (about 16g) when I wake up
    2-4 Eggs about half an hour later
    1 Small cup of coffee

    Snack:
    Protein Shake (32g)

    Lunch:
    Grilled chicken
    Raspberries
    Milk
    Almonds

    Snack/Pre Workout:
    Protein Shake (32g)

    Dinner:
    Chicken
    Potato
    Milk

    That's is pretty much constant day-to-day


    Flat out--you don't eat enough, and too much (those three protein shakes) is non-food. If you use prohormone now your gains will be hindered by your diet (but don't do them anyway, because you're too young). I'd suggest:

    Breakfast: turn the protein shake into a fruit, yogurt, & protein smoothie
    Turn the snack protein shake into another meal (chili, pasta, tuna, salmon)
    Add a sandwich to the pre-workout snack
    Add cottage cheese (maybe in a salad) after dinner

    Your natural gains with extra food will exceed what the prohormones could do for you.
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    Jan 14, 2010 8:35 PM GMT
    I definitely agree that you don't eat enough, nor do you have enough variety in your diet. I, too, am trying to put on more muscle weight (about 10 lbs.). You might find the article in today's NYTimes helpful, which I've posted.
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    Jan 14, 2010 8:51 PM GMT
    UFJocknerd said
    GWACpwns saidBreakfast:
    Lite Protein Shake (about 16g) when I wake up
    2-4 Eggs about half an hour later
    1 Small cup of coffee

    Snack:
    Protein Shake (32g)

    Lunch:
    Grilled chicken
    Raspberries
    Milk
    Almonds

    Snack/Pre Workout:
    Protein Shake (32g)

    Dinner:
    Chicken
    Potato
    Milk

    That's is pretty much constant day-to-day


    Flat out--you don't eat enough, and too much (those three protein shakes) is non-food. If you use prohormone now your gains will be hindered by your diet (but don't do them anyway, because you're too young). I'd suggest:

    Breakfast: turn the protein shake into a fruit, yogurt, & protein smoothie
    Turn the snack protein shake into another meal (chili, pasta, tuna, salmon)
    Add a sandwich to the pre-workout snack
    Add cottage cheese (maybe in a salad) after dinner

    Your natural gains with extra food will exceed what the prohormones could do for you.


    I second the above, with the addition of some sort of complex carbs in the morning and lunch. God knows, if you're working out a lot, you're going to need some fuel.

    And, dude, a 15 lb gain and a 5% body fat loss in 6 weeks -- not even PH is going to do that for you, and if it does, it could seriously rough up your system for a long time to come. Slow and steady really is the way to go for long term / long lasting weight gain.