self-hating homosexuals

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    Jan 08, 2010 5:23 AM GMT
    self-hating homosexuals who, bash other homosexuals, hates everything feminine, and views the world through ancient greek standards of masculinity (he should take a course in cultural anthropology), claims to be the sage and savior of the gay community covertly, cannot even speak his own truths, but hides behind prejudice , sexisst and moronic attacks, I have never seen a more pathetic human being..I guess PTSD really does you in
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    Jan 08, 2010 5:27 AM GMT
    I'm sorry, was there a Thread Topic question in there?
  • drypin

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    Jan 08, 2010 6:28 AM GMT
    I'm pretty sure that was just a...

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  • zakariahzol

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    Jan 08, 2010 2:40 PM GMT
    Well, you cant really blame them. They are told ever since infancy that being gay is bad, sinful, against nature and all kind of stuff. It just deep inside they know they are gay but they cant change. Another gay people (especially feminine and open gay), reminded them of their unhappiness , so that why we have all this gay hating another gay.
  • Celticmusl

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    Jan 08, 2010 2:52 PM GMT
    Just like humans, gays don't have to like or appreciate other gay's looks, demeanor, or attitude.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 08, 2010 3:08 PM GMT
    free_spirit09 saidself-hating homosexuals who, bash other homosexuals, hates everything feminine, and views the world through ancient greek standards of masculinity (he should take a course in cultural anthropology), claims to be the sage and savior of the gay community covertly, cannot even speak his own truths, but hides behind prejudice , sexisst and moronic attacks, I have never seen a more pathetic human being..I guess PTSD really does you in


    Why do I get the feeling, since you used the term "PTSD" in your post, that you are talking about someone in particular here at RJ, not just a particular mindset in general? Regardless, calling someone with that particular mindset "a pathetic human being" is being just as judgmental. Why is it that often-times when someone who is gay has a problem with the actions/bahavior of some other gays, that it is immediately assumed that they are "Self-hating"? Just like in the straight world, gays run the gamut of ways at looking at the world.
  • masculumpedes

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    Jan 08, 2010 3:10 PM GMT
    I think that there is nothing more sad than a gay person who can't find some sort of acceptance from his fellow gay men. Not everyone is going to accept you, and it really hurts when the guys you would like to receive acceptance from...refuse to acknowledge...because it makes you feel even more alone.
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    Jan 08, 2010 3:12 PM GMT
    Celticmusl saidJust like humans, gays don't have to like or appreciate other gay's looks, demeanor, or attitude.

    There is a massive difference from disinterest and beating them down because they aren't like your fantasy of what a man should be.
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    Jan 08, 2010 3:16 PM GMT
    lilTanker said
    Celticmusl saidJust like humans, gays don't have to like or appreciate other gay's looks, demeanor, or attitude.

    There is a massive difference from disinterest and beating them down because they aren't like your fantasy of what a man should be.


    You're right, but in this instance I wonder what "bash" means. Was it just a comment that someone stated on their profile like "I'm only interested in masculine men" or are we talking about physical bashing, etc. From what I've noticed on this site, it is usually the prior rather than the latter.

    Intolerance and discrimination is despicable, regardless of who the culprit is.
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    Jan 08, 2010 3:26 PM GMT
    free_spirit09 saidself-hating homosexuals who, bash other homosexuals, hates everything feminine, and views the world through ancient greek standards of masculinity (he should take a course in cultural anthropology), claims to be the sage and savior of the gay community covertly, cannot even speak his own truths, but hides behind prejudice , sexisst and moronic attacks, I have never seen a more pathetic human being..I guess PTSD really does you in


    Considering the tone of your post, you yourself sound like a bashing homo who hates anything that is opposed to his view.
  • masculumpedes

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    Jan 08, 2010 3:28 PM GMT
    Hillie said

    Considering the tone of your post, you yourself sound like a bashing homo who hates anything that is opposed to his view.



    I think it's more of a case of: What do you do...when they guys you want....don't want you icon_question.gif
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    Jan 08, 2010 3:45 PM GMT
    Celticmusl said
    lilTanker said
    Celticmusl saidJust like humans, gays don't have to like or appreciate other gay's looks, demeanor, or attitude.

    There is a massive difference from disinterest and beating them down because they aren't like your fantasy of what a man should be.


    You're right, but in this instance I wonder what "bash" means. Was it just a comment that someone stated on their profile like "I'm only interested in masculine men" or are we talking about physical bashing, etc. From what I've noticed on this site, it is usually the prior rather than the latter.

    Intolerance and discrimination is despicable, regardless of who the culprit is.

    The thing with that whole "masculine" comment is more often then not, these apparently "masculine" men who are seeking other "masculine" men, are usually anything but "masculine" but anyway, moving on.

    when I said beating them down, I mean mentally, physically beating someone down usually has the eventual opposite effect, but the mental stuff starts running a lot deeper when it's constant barrage from so many and so constant and constant little flicks are a lot worse then occasional full on mental abuse..

    As much as people would like to say that those little things don't have an effect, when they are so prevalent as they are on RJ, they do..

    take a pebble from a pot of a million pebbles and you wont affect anyone, I mean, it's only one pebble right? but when a million people come by with the same idea that pot of a million pebbles is empty..

    anyway, I've sorta deviated..

    Yes, on RJ, the abuse here is entirely mental and hurts people more often then not, you just don't get to see into peoples heads when it happens.
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    Jan 08, 2010 3:49 PM GMT
    OK so I just signed off and back on thinking I was on the wrong site. This IS the same group of tolerant, open minded, accepting and non-discriminating guys that loath any gay who's religious, republican, feminine, closeted, married or headless right? Or did someone sprinkle pixie dust all over RJ and I missed the epiphany?

    Suddenly a change in thinking of the hating dished out on here. Self-hating (gay vs gay) has almost become acceptable here by some. I think "pathetic human beings" may be an accurate way to describe those who prey on others for the sake of achieving some sort of self superiority.

    (disclaimer: not that anyone who posted is intolerant but we certainly see a fair share of those gays who are here on RJ.)
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    Jan 08, 2010 3:49 PM GMT
    oh yes another thread telling gay men how they should act and treat everyone and if they do not embrace every aspect of femininity than somehow they are self loathing.

    When are people going to get it into their heads that gay people are not all the same. There interests and traits run the gamuts just like straights do. If they are not into someone or something, it does not make them self loathing. Just because Im gay does not mean I feel I have to have this special pressure to like everything and save the world.
  • masculumpedes

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    Jan 08, 2010 3:52 PM GMT
    lilTanker said Yes, on RJ, the abuse here is entirely mental and hurts people more often then not, you just don't get to see into peoples heads when it happens.


    Once again...everyone is looking for some sort of acceptance. I believe this is also true of the OP. We may say that we do not care what anyone else thinks...that we are strong enough in and of ourselves to live a solitary life...but who can truly stand alone his entire life without turning bitter or sad and disaffected icon_question.gif
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    Jan 08, 2010 3:57 PM GMT
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    lilTanker said Yes, on RJ, the abuse here is entirely mental and hurts people more often then not, you just don't get to see into peoples heads when it happens.


    Once again...everyone is looking for some sort of acceptance. I believe this is also true of the OP. We may say that we do not care what anyone else thinks...that we are strong enough in and of ourselves to live a solitary life...but who can truly stand alone his entire life without turning bitter or sad and disaffected icon_question.gif

    acceptance comes in many forms and can begin as simply.

    I may not believe as you do, I may not see as you see, but I choose not to hurt you with my words, I accept that you are there and I will treat you with equal respect, we may not have a common ground upon first look and we may not have common ground on second, but I will treat you with dignity you deserve and not hurt you because you do not believe as I do.
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    Jan 08, 2010 4:01 PM GMT
    lilTanker said
    acceptance comes in many forms and can begin as simply.

    I may not believe as you do, I may not see as you see, but I choose not to hurt you with my words, I accept that you are there and I will treat you with equal respect, we may not have a common ground upon first look and we may not have common ground on second, but I will treat you with dignity you deserve and not hurt you because you do not believe as I do.



    Wow.....I can't believe these words just came from you.....perhaps....you require a more in-depth approach icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 08, 2010 4:03 PM GMT
    lilTanker said
    malefeet said
    but I will treat you with dignity you deserve and not hurt you because you do not believe as I do.



    This concept seems simple and a no-brainer for gays since so many are struggling for tolerance and acceptance themselves from the general population yet, ironically, many gays (as evidenced right here on this site) can't quite grasp this concept themselves when it comes to the unique differences within the gay community. The "My way or the highway" mentality is all kinds of hypocritical, but some just can't see that.
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    Jan 08, 2010 4:06 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    lilTanker said
    malefeet said
    but I will treat you with dignity you deserve and not hurt you because you do not believe as I do.



    This concept seems simple and a no-brainer for gays since so many are struggling for tolerance and acceptance themselves from the general population yet, ironically, many gays (as evidenced right here on this site) can't quite grasp this concept themselves when it comes to the unique differences within the gay community. The "My way or the highway" mentality is all kinds of hypocritical, but some just can't see that.

    and this is where the pickle begins.
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    Jan 08, 2010 4:14 PM GMT
    free_spirit09 saidself-hating homosexuals who, bash other homosexuals, hates everything feminine, and views the world through ancient greek standards of masculinity (he should take a course in cultural anthropology), claims to be the sage and savior of the gay community covertly, cannot even speak his own truths, but hides behind prejudice , sexisst and moronic attacks, I have never seen a more pathetic human being..I guess PTSD really does you in


    Wow. I think it's pretty obvious who this message is directed to. At first glance, it seems he hates him, but I think it's just the opposite. What I don't understand is how someone can get so passionate about a person they have not met. For many, hate and love are 2 emotions used interchangeably.
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    Jan 08, 2010 4:15 PM GMT
    lilTanker said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    lilTanker said
    malefeet said
    but I will treat you with dignity you deserve and not hurt you because you do not believe as I do.



    This concept seems simple and a no-brainer for gays since so many are struggling for tolerance and acceptance themselves from the general population yet, ironically, many gays (as evidenced right here on this site) can't quite grasp this concept themselves when it comes to the unique differences within the gay community. The "My way or the highway" mentality is all kinds of hypocritical, but some just can't see that.

    and this is where the pickle begins.
    Amen to that! So where does one cross the line btw tolerance with acceptance versus a passion for what they believe? The line is often very gray with wording that is subject to interpretation. We often see and recognize when someone is way outside that gray area but why is it that many can not take the high road and recognize the possibility of misinterpretation or give the benefit of the doubt but instead must feel a need to be superior in the response? Do you think it's more prevalent in the gay community than in society in general?
  • masculumpedes

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    Jan 08, 2010 4:16 PM GMT
    collegestudd said What I don't understand is how someone can get so passionate about a person they have not met.


    Loneliness does strange things to a person.....and rejection from someone that you have developed an attraction for...even more so.
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    Jan 08, 2010 4:26 PM GMT
    eb925guy saidWe often see and recognize when someone is way outside that gray area but why is it that many can not take the high road and recognize the possibility of misinterpretation or give the benefit of the doubt but instead must feel a need to be superior in the response? Do you think it's more prevalent in the gay community than in society in general?



    My feeling is that many gays, not all, but many tend to have a chip on their shoulder due to intolerance they may have faced in their own life, insecurities as a result of their own life experience, or frustration with the gay rights issues, etc., and they wear this sentiment on their sleeve like some sort of badge of honor -- and damn anyone and everyone who does not take the same sort of aggressive approach at changing the world as they do. While other gays simply try and live their life, not feeling the necessity to wear their sexuality on their sleeve, viewing their "gayness" as merely a piece of life's whole puzzle, and not something that their whole world revolves around. These two mindsets seem to clash, and trouble, disagreement, and lashing out ensues. I'm not saying either mindset is wrong or right or better or worse than the other, just different from one another, and each side has to have respect for the other.
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    malefeet said
    collegestudd said What I don't understand is how someone can get so passionate about a person they have not met.


    Loneliness does strange things to a person.....and rejection from someone that you have developed an attraction for...even more so.


    I thought the same thing.