NBC RATINGS WOES: Comments on Jay Leno each night... Conan O'Brien's Tonight Show?

  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 08, 2010 1:27 PM GMT
    Apparently after a great start, Jay Leno's nightly show has slipped in the ratings and has caused issued for local affiliates with their local news.....
    And after owning the "late night slot" against David Letterman on CBS,
    Conan is way behind.....

    Do you watch the programs? I have to say I've enjoyed Jay Leno, but Conan really doesn't do much for me, but on weeknights, I'm usually on my way to bed anyway.

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    Jan 08, 2010 3:13 PM GMT
    I don't watch either
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    Jan 08, 2010 3:16 PM GMT
    I NEVER liked Leno at ALL. He is simply not funny to me. I have caught myself watching Letterman for his guests, and now that he is less of a dick than decades ago.
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    Jan 08, 2010 5:43 PM GMT
    Never liked Leno. His "new" show is pointless. He should just retire and spend his days polishing his cars.

    Been watching Conan since the very beginning. I like his style of humor. It's not for everyone though. icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 08, 2010 6:48 PM GMT
    I was a big fan of Johnny Carson, and Jay Leno, as well, and like Letterman, too. I'm not much on the humor of O'brien, or Fallon.

    The late news lead in numbers have been suffering and the affiliates are pitching a fit.

    I suspect it all shakes out that NBC take the hit with Conan against Letterman and Jay quietly goes on to green pastures.
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    Jan 13, 2010 12:52 AM GMT
    Personally I could care less; however, I find the whole situation amusing.
    It was my understanding, it was Leno’s Idea to move in order to save the network, and should he fail he would retire.
    No one has brought this up now that it did fail.
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    Jan 13, 2010 1:10 AM GMT
    I'm too old and feeble to stay up for late night now.

    But I really thought that when Jay left that spot at NBC, it would be for good. Now it looks like, since Conan won't accept a later Tonight Show position, that Jay will likely take it back. He's pulling a Favre/Cher.

    I generally like Conan, and I think he's quicker on his feet. People who grew up with Johnny and even Jay to an extent have different tastes (which also grew as we aged), but Conan was not given the chance to get a foothold. NBC = A.D.D..
  • Celticmusl

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    Jan 13, 2010 1:16 AM GMT
    I have never liked Leno. He doesn't even act like he's paying attention to his guests. He seems bored to me, regarding most of his guest stars.

    I find Letterman and O'brien equally amusing, but Letterman is a better host to his guest stars. O'brien is a great writer.
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    Jan 13, 2010 1:28 AM GMT
    1969er saidI'm too old and feeble to stay up for late night now.

    But I really thought that when Jay left that spot at NBC, it would be for good. Now it looks like, since Conan won't accept a later Tonight Show position, that Jay will likely take it back. He's pulling a Favre/Cher.

    I generally like Conan, and I think he's quicker on his feet. People who grew up with Johnny and even Jay to an extent have different tastes (which also grew as we aged), but Conan was not given the icon_eek.gifchance to get a foothold. NBC = A.D.D..


    Old and feeble at 40?!?!?!?!?
    Graciousful merciness!!
    You look like you could totally kick my arse--which may not be such a bad thing. ;-p
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 13, 2010 1:40 AM GMT
    Apparently now they are saying that Leno is going to get the Tonight Show again... and Conan is going away...

    I wouldn't miss him...

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    Jan 13, 2010 1:45 AM GMT
    It's all a lose-lose situation. Leno is burnt out with nothing new to offer, Conan can't carry the slot. and Letterman is tainted by his sleezy personal behavior, as well as his habit of insulting his own guests, so that many celebrities avoid him.

    Johnny Carson was Nebraska corn, but people liked him. Nobody really likes this current crop of late night hosts, and that's the problem.
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    Jan 13, 2010 1:48 AM GMT
    Both sux! No one tops Letterman. I do wish they would bring the energy back of Arsenio Hall.
  • ohioguy12

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    Jan 13, 2010 1:57 AM GMT
    Conan is funnier, because he is just very "silly" and appeals to younger people, problem is that the time slot should appeal to older people who just got done watching the news, and want more political based humor
  • pandx970

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    Jan 13, 2010 2:06 AM GMT
    I thought that NBC were keeping Jay due to his contract...a simple alteration in time slot instead of a dramatic change. However, I may be mistaken about the reasoning.

    I love chat shows somewhat along the lines of what Jay is doing now, but the show he has on now isn't that amusing or interesting. Now, if NBC were to bring someone like BBC's Graham Norton that would be a GREAT chat show.

    Le sigh. Television in the U.S.
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    Jan 13, 2010 2:17 AM GMT
    Leno was never funny. Conan is much funnier. His self depreciating humor and intelligent wit and comedy is gold. I was so happy he moved to The Tonight Show. Alas, the old fogies who watch that time slot aren't with it. They want the safe crap humor as always. Jay Leno's new time slot was for the youngins and we (or I ) don't find him funny. Jay Leno can't make up his damn mind and retire so he's grabbing for anything and taking Conan and the Tonight Show down with him. I've read Conan's letter to NBC and it is awesomely worded giving props to people for his success, his appreciation for having, for only 7 months, what he's been striving for all these years while criticizing NBC and pointing out their ineptitude with their programming without stooping to cheap shots. Conan is always classy and I hope to see him in something else later.
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    Jan 13, 2010 4:16 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidIt's all a lose-lose situation. Leno is burnt out with nothing new to offer, Conan can't carry the slot. and Letterman is tainted by his sleezy personal behavior, as well as his habit of insulting his own guests, so that many celebrities avoid him.

    Johnny Carson was Nebraska corn, but people liked him. Nobody really likes this current crop of late night hosts, and that's the problem.


    So is there a problem with Nebraska corn? icon_confused.gif
    GWGTrunks and I might have to send some white eyed, blond haired childrens (that harrassed Kirsty Alley) to Florida...

    ps. That reference is for you, Robby icon_twisted.gif
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    Jan 13, 2010 4:25 AM GMT
    Well, its all a matter of taste. Personally, Id prefer Leno over any of them. Letterman 2nd maybe... Conan... horrible. He's not funny, the his props department looks like they also design Kmart displays!

    Bad, bad, bad...

    The rising star here to me, and MAYBE should be considered for this #1 slot is Jimmy Fallon. Funny... and so cute.icon_smile.gif
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    Jan 13, 2010 4:27 AM GMT
    They both suck shit. Craig Ferguson is the only one left who's funny.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 13, 2010 5:11 AM GMT
    I can't believe they ever moved Jay Leno to 10pm in the first place. It seems a no-brainer to me that viewers like their dramas at 10pm before the news. It's just always been that way. Why? Because it worked. Watching "The Tonight Show", whether it be Johnny Carson or Leno or whoever has been a ritual for the fans of the show for decades. What's really weird about the decision is that Leno was leading in the ratings before this big switch. It was clear after the huge ratings drop of week #2 that Leno's show was going to be a bust in the 10pm time slot.

    Now that Conan is threatening to leave the network, this could get really messy because he could leave and NBC will still have to pay him millions which he had in his contract in an "Out Clause".
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    Jan 13, 2010 5:16 AM GMT
    LuvMuscle99 saidWell, its all a matter of taste. Personally, Id prefer Leno over any of them. Letterman 2nd maybe... Conan... horrible. He's not funny, the his props department looks like they also design Kmart displays!

    Bad, bad, bad...

    The rising star here to me, and MAYBE should be considered for this #1 slot is Jimmy Fallon. Funny... and so cute.icon_smile.gif


    Uhg, gotta disagree. Fallon might be cute, but he's horribly unfunny. Awkward interviews and bad writing.
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    Jan 13, 2010 5:28 AM GMT
    Conan is very smart. He's a Harvard grad, after all. I think he knows what he's doing. In fact, I think this whole thing has been a publicity stunt to get Conan the ratings he needs. Leno doesn't really want to come back. And NBC doesn't really want him back. They just needed to make a splash and then watch it go viral. You know what everyone is talking about tonight? It's Conan and his show and what he's going to do on it tonight.

    Then again, this might all be wishful thinking because I love Conan. But who knows...I guess we'll see what happens icon_smile.gif
  • silverfox

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    Jan 13, 2010 6:40 AM GMT
    NBC put themselves in a really bad way because contractually they had to give Conan the Tonight Show last year, and they were afraid that Leno was going to go to another network. So their solution?

    One of the worst in network TV history.

    Moving Leno to 10 o'clock 5 nights a week was a disaster from day one. The NBC affiliates big money making 11 o'clock news programs suffered almost immediately- losing a good chunk of their audiences and advertising revenue.
    Leno's show itself- anemic ratings.

    And then what about poor Conan? His "Tonight Show" suffered NOT from any fault of his own. In fact, with horrible lead in audience levels it is a miracle that he has maintained the same level of 18 - 49 adults that Leno had before this whole debacle took place.

    What should they have done?

    Well....If I ran the network, I would leave Conan where he is....as well as Jimmy Fallon.

    I would just let Leno go. He is damaged goods now (due to their poor decisions).
    Given his awful performance I think any other network would take pause in hiring him...especially given the humongous salary he commands. If Leno was their man, they should have kept him at 11 30 and parted ways with Conan last year....but they didn't do that because they were so CHEAP and shortsighted.

    So NOW--

    Leno will get paid for an hour show.....though he will only be doing a 1/2 hour.
    Conan is pissed.
    Jimmy Fallon is pissed.

    If Conan walks.....NBC will have to pay him to do nothing.

    And that will make shareholders pissed.

    Oh,,,,,and NBC has to scramble to fill a huge programming void- 5 hours a week. The 10 o'clock hour Monday through Friday. Quickly. Not easy.

    Good luck NBC!
  • rnch

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    Jan 13, 2010 12:32 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidIt's all a lose-lose situation. Leno is burnt out with nothing new to offer, Conan can't carry the slot. and Letterman is tainted by his sleezy personal behavior, as well as his habit of insulting his own guests, so that many celebrities avoid him.

    Johnny Carson was Nebraska corn, but people liked him. Nobody really likes this current crop of late night hosts, and that's the problem.
    yes indeed!

    i never liked lenovich, he's a blatant ass kisser to any NBC suit he can smooch up to. his "humor" is forced, stale and peurile.

    as another poster commented, leno should go home and polish his cars. surely he doesn't need the money at this point in his life!

    conan needs time to build his show, MANY MANY tv shows that are legends now started off poorly.
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    Jan 13, 2010 1:12 PM GMT
    I'm old enough to remember Steve Allen hosting the Tonight Show during the 1950s. I couldn't watch it often, because I was too young to stay up that late routinely, our single TV located in a parlor where I'd be seen, but every now and then I'd manage it, on a non-school night or some other special occasion.

    I was watching the show fairly often when Jack Parr hosted it until 1962 (by then I had a TV in my bedroom, something of a luxury in that era, even if it was only B&W). One of my favorite Parr guests was the eccentric genius Oscar Levant.

    When Parr left the program there were a number of guest hosts, including Jerry Lewis, who brought absolute insane chaos to the show. The selection of Johnny Carson to be the permanent host was greeted with skepticism, since at the time all he was doing was a minor afternoon TV game show on rival network ABC, called "Who Do You Trust" with Ed McMahon. He wasn't considered a "heavyweight" at all, but the choice turned out to be inspired.

    Watching Carson, I would often think of his youth on the bleak Nebraskan prairie in the 1930s, listening to the radio legends who ruled the airwaves back then, and watching the movie stars on the silver screen, him dreaming of someday being in that world, a million miles from his own. And then, one day, he had the most popular nighttime show on US television, and the same idols from his youth all came to be his guests, and to fawn over him:

    Jack Benny
    George Burns
    Groucho Marx
    Jimmy Stewart
    John Wayne
    Frank Sinatra
    ... and countless others

    I can't begin to imagine his feelings when those living legends sat down with him on his own show. What a wonderful life that was.
  • jhill2456

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    Jan 13, 2010 2:08 PM GMT
    silverfox1 saidNBC put themselves in a really bad way because contractually they had to give Conan the Tonight Show last year, and they were afraid that Leno was going to go to another network. So their solution?

    One of the worst in network TV history.

    Moving Leno to 10 o'clock 5 nights a week was a disaster from day one. The NBC affiliates big money making 11 o'clock news programs suffered almost immediately- losing a good chunk of their audiences and advertising revenue.
    Leno's show itself- anemic ratings.

    And then what about poor Conan? His "Tonight Show" suffered NOT from any fault of his own. In fact, with horrible lead in audience levels it is a miracle that he has maintained the same level of 18 - 49 adults that Leno had before this whole debacle took place.

    What should they have done?

    Well....If I ran the network, I would leave Conan where he is....as well as Jimmy Fallon.

    I would just let Leno go. He is damaged goods now (due to their poor decisions).
    Given his awful performance I think any other network would take pause in hiring him...especially given the humongous salary he commands. If Leno was their man, they should have kept him at 11 30 and parted ways with Conan last year....but they didn't do that because they were so CHEAP and shortsighted.

    So NOW--

    Leno will get paid for an hour show.....though he will only be doing a 1/2 hour.
    Conan is pissed.
    Jimmy Fallon is pissed.

    If Conan walks.....NBC will have to pay him to do nothing.

    And that will make shareholders pissed.

    Oh,,,,,and NBC has to scramble to fill a huge programming void- 5 hours a week. The 10 o'clock hour Monday through Friday. Quickly. Not easy.

    Good luck NBC!


    You hit the nail right on the head. They really should have just kept everything the way it was because it was working.

    Once again Jay Leno is costing someone a job and that someone will go somewhere else and be way better than he is