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Do FISH go MAD in Aquariums?

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Jan 08, 2010 8:38 PM GMT

I am coming up with some off the wall topics today, but do you think fish are generally happy in non-overpopulated aquariums with the right conditions? We don't tend to see them as cages because it is clear glass and not wire, but they really are.

I say this after making little hello boo-boo faces to my male betta that follows me all the time. He could be saying feed me again, but may be thinking, I'm BORED, get me OUT OF HERE, I want to live in a rice paddy and find a mate and kill other males. Damn you!

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Jan 08, 2010 10:41 PM GMT

I have kept goldfish in a reasonably large aquarium for 30 months, each of the fish is the original when I first set the tank up. Since then I always made an effort to look after them well. At first a few died, which I couldn't understand why. Until I bought a proper guidebook in keeping goldfish. From the beginning I was aware of regular tank maintenance, including filter pad change and cleaning of slime from the ornaments and from the inside of the tank itself. Before reading the guidebook, however, in re-topping the tank, I did not take in to account the temperature of the water just added, and adding water of a slightly different temperature, even as little as one degree, can harm the fish. This explained why these deaths occurred soon after maintenance. After making sure that at the topping up of the tank the temperature of the water to be added is exactly right, the fish are happy and healthy. They feed well, they do not have constipation (a long strand of poo trailing their bodies), and they tend to chase each other - a sign of good health, and also when relaxed, late in the evening, they tend to stay together usually near the bottom of the tank - a sign of the water being well oxygenated. However, no matter how well I look after them, occasionally one can still become ill and dies. That's goldish for you.

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Jan 08, 2010 10:45 PM GMT

NotThatOld saidI have kept goldfish in a reasonably large aquarium for 30 months, each of the fish is the original when I first set the tank up. Since then I always made an effort to look after them well. At first a few died, which I couldn't understand why. Until I bought a proper guidebook in keeping goldfish. From the beginning I was aware of regular tank maintenance, including filter pad change and cleaning of slime from the ornaments and from the inside of the tank itself. Before reading the guidebook, however, in re-topping the tank, I did not take in to account the temperature of the water just added, and adding water of a slightly different temperature, even as little as one degree, can harm the fish. This explained why these deaths occurred soon after maintenance. After making sure that at the topping up of the tank the temperature of the water to be added is exactly right, the fish are happy and healthy. They feed well, they do not have constipation (a long strand of poo trailing their bodies), and they tend to chase each other - a sign of good health, and also when relaxed, late in the evening, they tend to stay together usually near the bottom of the tank - a sign of the water being well oxygenated. However, no matter how well I look after them, occasionally one can still become ill and dies. That's goldish for you.

You probably know this, but you need to check for Ammonia and Nitrite, by products of poop that are toxic. Good bacteria eventually grow to break them down, but you need to do at least a 25% water change and gravel vacuum each week.

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You probably know this, but you need to check for Ammonia and Nitrite, by products of poop that are toxic. Good bacteria eventually grow to break them down, but you need to do at least a 25% water change and gravel vacuum each week.

That is true, hence the refilling of the tank. The gravel is vacuumed, and the golden rule in cleaning the ornaments and the filter pads, is to use the water taken from the tank itself, and NEVER fresh tap water, which would destroy the good bacteria in the tank. The same applies to renewing the filter pads (there are two within the pump unit). Renew one pad at a time, soaking the new pad in the removed tank water before fitting. Then replace the other pad a week later. Also I have Aquasafe, a chemical added to the topping up water which de-chlorinates the water, removes metals such as copper, zinc and cadmium. Iodine is added along with magnesium and vitamin B all which encourages the growth of the bacteria and helps protect the health of the fish.

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Jan 08, 2010 11:24 PM GMT

Chemicals like amquel and novaguel don't remove anything, they simply convert it to an another chemical that is less toxic to fish...othewise every large public aquarium in the US would be using them instead of massive filtration systems...Big myth in the aquarium hobby, can't convert heavy metals with these products.... Best thing to use filtered tap water thats run thru a RO system.....Drastic water changes of 25% can cause pH fluctuations which is more lethal than anything else, along with temperature shock....the tank might be fine with doing this, but for longer term fish survival, not a greeat idea...weekly 10% is better....

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shortmuscleguy saidChemicals like amquel and novaguel don't remove anything, they simply convert it to an another chemical that is less toxic to fish...othewise every large public aquarium in the US would be using them instead of massive filtration systems...Big myth in the aquarium hobby, can't convert heavy metals with these products.... Best thing to use filtered tap water thats run thru a RO system.....Drastic water changes of 25% can cause pH fluctuations which is more lethal than anything else, along with temperature shock....the tank might be fine with doing this, but for longer term fish survival, not a greeat idea...weekly 10% is better....

Hey, the next time I vacuum gravel in my tank, will you stand over my shoulder with your hand on my hand on the plastic tube, and guide me through the process?

I think both the fish and I will like that.

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Jan 08, 2010 11:34 PM GMT

Most data suggest the average fish has a 2 second memory. Everything else is instinct. So, every 2 seconds, they are in a new place, even if they are in the same place!

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Jan 08, 2010 11:34 PM GMT

I'v had my Betta [male] for about 2years now and i keep him in a vase which is about 3 1/2 feet long, he seems happy....

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newengland67 saidMost data suggest the average fish has a 2 second memory. Everything else is instinct. So, every 2 seconds, they are in a new place, even if they are in the same place!

That is TOTALLY incorrect. How do you explain fish not being afraid of you, yet being afraid of strangers. They have to remember you to not be afraid of you.

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Jan 08, 2010 11:42 PM GMT

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shortmuscleguy saidChemicals like amquel and novaguel don't remove anything, they simply convert it to an another chemical that is less toxic to fish...othewise every large public aquarium in the US would be using them instead of massive filtration systems...Big myth in the aquarium hobby, can't convert heavy metals with these products.... Best thing to use filtered tap water thats run thru a RO system.....Drastic water changes of 25% can cause pH fluctuations which is more lethal than anything else, along with temperature shock....the tank might be fine with doing this, but for longer term fish survival, not a greeat idea...weekly 10% is better....

Hey, the next time I vacuum gravel in my tank, will you stand over my shoulder with your hand on my hand on the plastic tube, and guide me through the process?

I think both the fish and I will like that.

hehe, only if clothing is optional

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wrestlervic said
newengland67 saidMost data suggest the average fish has a 2 second memory. Everything else is instinct. So, every 2 seconds, they are in a new place, even if they are in the same place!

That is TOTALLY incorrect. How do you explain fish not being afraid of you, yet being afraid of strangers. They have to remember you to not be afraid of you.

Nailed it with a perfect observation, my fish know if it's me getting ready to feed them or a stranger...I walk upto the tank and they bolt to the surface wanting food, a friend or stranger does the same thing and they hide...

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wrestlervic said
shortmuscleguy saidChemicals like amquel and novaguel don't remove anything, they simply convert it to an another chemical that is less toxic to fish...othewise every large public aquarium in the US would be using them instead of massive filtration systems...Big myth in the aquarium hobby, can't convert heavy metals with these products.... Best thing to use filtered tap water thats run thru a RO system.....Drastic water changes of 25% can cause pH fluctuations which is more lethal than anything else, along with temperature shock....the tank might be fine with doing this, but for longer term fish survival, not a greeat idea...weekly 10% is better....

Hey, the next time I vacuum gravel in my tank, will you stand over my shoulder with your hand on my hand on the plastic tube, and guide me through the process?

I think both the fish and I will like that.

hehe, only if clothing is optional

You just made my Friday night, even my weekend. Let's go fishing together naked!

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Jan 08, 2010 11:50 PM GMT

wouldn't that mean that they have a longer memory?

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wrestlervic said<

Hey, the next time I vacuum gravel in my tank, will you stand over my shoulder with your hand on my hand on the plastic tube, and guide me through the process?

I think both the fish and I will like that.
hehe, only if clothing is optional

You just made my Friday night, even my weekend. Let's go fishing together naked!

Hum, can we wrestle for rights to who feeds the fish first

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shortmuscleguy said
wrestlervic said<

Hey, the next time I vacuum gravel in my tank, will you stand over my shoulder with your hand on my hand on the plastic tube, and guide me through the process?

I think both the fish and I will like that.
hehe, only if clothing is optional

You just made my Friday night, even my weekend. Let's go fishing together naked!

Hum, can we wrestle for rights to who feeds the fish first

Um, I would have absolutely NO complaints with that.

I think I can faintly hear people saying "Go get a room for god's sake" about now.

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wrestlervic said
shortmuscleguy said
wrestlervic said<

Hey, the next time I vacuum gravel in my tank, will you stand over my shoulder with your hand on my hand on the plastic tube, and guide me through the process?

I think both the fish and I will like that.
hehe, only if clothing is optional

You just made my Friday night, even my weekend. Let's go fishing together naked!

Hum, can we wrestle for rights to who feeds the fish first

Um, I would have absolutely NO complaints with that.

I think I can faintly hear people saying "Go get a room for god's sake" about now.

Woof.....anytime

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