Oh, this kind of Obama-mania scares me: Obama White House would be dawn of a new day in America

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    Jan 08, 2008 1:43 PM GMT
    I am old enough to know that where there is a silver lining, there is a cloud. When people start seeing a candidate as the "dawn of a new day in America," they lose perspective and don't see the faults that are coming, too. Nobody is perfect and we need not to get caught up in a frenzy and not see the pitfalls. We are heading for problems that we are not thinking about.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/07/roland.martin/index.html
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    Jan 08, 2008 4:25 PM GMT
    and I quote, "New Age mumbo jumbo"
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    Jan 08, 2008 4:43 PM GMT
    I agree as well, mumbo jumbo. A lot has has been said, without ever really saying anything. Too many words, and not enough details.
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    Jan 08, 2008 5:04 PM GMT
    What is there to be scared of do you honestly think Obama will NOT be the next president of United States of America?icon_rolleyes.gif

    Never going to happened. A dream situation would be Hilary in the White house and Obama elected to the Surpreme Court...then he would be able to effect real change.

    But that won't happen either.

    God only know who will be the next president but I can guarantee you that it won't be Obama.

    OPPS! left out the most important word of the post...LOL!
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    Jan 08, 2008 5:21 PM GMT
    Ducky44 saidWhat is there to be scared of do you honestly think Obama will be the next president of United States of America?icon_rolleyes.gif

    Never going to happened...

    God only know who will be the next president but I can guarantee you that it won't be Obama.


    I'm not so sure I could say that. I thought the same thing about GWB the second time around (well, and the first really). I thought, who could possibly elect this guy again after all the crap he has done? icon_eek.gif
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    Jan 08, 2008 5:23 PM GMT
    The tag teaming I saw on the last debate between Obama and Edwards made me think of an Obama-Edwards ticket.
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    Jan 08, 2008 5:41 PM GMT
    Maybe I just a little jaded when it comes to American politics...there is no doubt that are good potential canidates but can they get elected? not sure.

    The right guy doesn't always get the keys to the white house. Look at what we have endured for 8 long years!

    Obama...eh! It would be great but I just don't see it happening.

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    Jan 08, 2008 5:55 PM GMT
    Obama is beating every candidate in important primary states. Obama is now tied with Hillary in national polls. He is going to get the nomination. No candidate has ever won both Iowa and New Hampshire to not get the nomination. So, it is inevitable now.
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    Jan 08, 2008 5:57 PM GMT
    Ducky44 saidWhat is there to be scared of do you honestly think Obama will NOT be the next president of United States of America?icon_rolleyes.gif


    After the Commander in Chimp, what could possibly scare us?

    [quote]Never going to happened. A dream situation would be Hilary in the White house and Obama elected to the Surpreme Court...then he would be able to effect real change.
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    This isn't exactly my dream. Actually it's pretty far from my dream. Clinton has too many shady (and overt) dealings that are far from honest and upstanding. A stereotypical politician.

    None of the politicians are perfect, but I would take a slice of Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, and Mike Gravel. Between the three of them we'd have a much more honest president that could bluntly say what needed to be said, do what needed to be done, which was for the American people.

    I'm tired of the lies and subterfuge, the things left undone, and spending all our money on other countries instead of ourselves.
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    Jan 08, 2008 6:09 PM GMT
    Well, if Obama does get it... which I think we need to see alot more primaries. Hillary has the backing of superdelegates that put her ahead in the count at this point.

    Also, as she looses the lead spot she'll stop thinking the way she's been acting it the winning formula. She'll make changes in how she's communicating and start figuring out what people need to hear from her to give them the confidence that she can bring change. Right now she's all about "I'm experienced" but that's not what voters want to hear. They want to hear about how things are gonna change.

    If her team can adjust their message to 'If you want change, you need someone who can run that White House machine and who will command some respect in Washington. Democrats can't get the job done with feel good rhetoric. There is too much healing internally and foreign affairs wise."

    What people around the world think of our president influences what they think about America. Clinton is a known and liked face overseas and putting the Clinton brand back in the White House would immediately improve foreign opinions of the US. Obama would be a question-mark for foreigners. Great he's a democrat, but what's he going to do with trade relations, what's he going to do with labor?

    Its a global market place and we need 'feel good' relations from foreigners to ensure they buy our products and what our tourism and come to visit the states. This stuff matters to our pocketbooks and jobs.

    I don't know if her team can make the change in the message or not.

    But if she comes in second or third - she'd be a heck of a VP. All that experience would boost Edwards or Obama on the general election ballot vs republicans. The fund raising power of Clinton would still be there, first female VP would be a smart move for Democrats, and the Republican hatred (i.e. donation power) for Clinton would be mitigated by her name not being the primary one on the ticket.

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    Jan 08, 2008 9:04 PM GMT
    I don't like Obama's rhetoric of "bringing us together". That always means that Republicans don't give an inch and Democrats wring their hands trying to find ways to placate them.

    I don't want to be brought together, I want Republican heads on pikes lining the town gates.
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    Jan 08, 2008 9:18 PM GMT
    C'mon guys, aren't there any idealists out there? Sure, after the last clump of presidents, we all have a right to be cynical, but I believe Obama appeals to the best in America, and that, while we can't expect miracles, we can expect a better country if we elect him.
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    Jan 08, 2008 9:32 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidObama is beating every candidate in important primary states. Obama is now tied with Hillary in national polls. He is going to get the nomination. No candidate has ever won both Iowa and New Hampshire to not get the nomination. So, it is inevitable now.


    While I'm a democrat and certainly I'll support the nominee, I agree with the premise of Caslon's views here. I'm sick of hearing "change" without any substance.

    I don't think its inevitable... and the importance (in delegates) with Iowa and New Hampshire (is irrelevant) other than to set the stage.
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    Jan 08, 2008 9:51 PM GMT
    the big problem here is that politicians say and promise the world but hell is going to freeze over before any of the front runners actually believe their own words and put it into practice.

    the only people i actually have a faint hope in are the so called crazy candidates. but of course because they don't try to pander to every side of the fence, they aren't going to win.

    you have candidates like good ole' boy mitt who flips back and forth faster than a male rabbit in a cage full of females, rudy who sings high terror from the pulpit and shouts 9/11 like he has an uncontrollable desire blast out with profanity and .. oh wait, they already have a name for that disease. you have huckabee that is so desperate to sleep with the RR that he'll label homos _anything_...

    has anyone ever stepped back and read over statements made by the candidates, their campaign, their reactions to events and simply gone ... WTF??

    only in America can you base your campaign on flinging utter shit to the people and have such a huge supporting group of RR etc that you actually have an entirely reasonable chance of winning.
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    Jan 09, 2008 2:05 PM GMT
    I am liking Obama more and more. His "concession" speech last night was very inspiring. Maybe his ability to inspire the country will be great for the country. Get America feeling positive and acting positive.
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    Jan 09, 2008 2:23 PM GMT
    jprichva saidI don't want to be brought together, I want Republican heads on pikes lining the town gates.


    I am with you on this one. I've had it with Republicans. David Frum, Republican advisor and apologist, was on The Daily Show singing the same tune Republicans always sing which is, "if we make it even better for the already well-off rich, it will be better for you" and "there's nothing wrong with America that tax cuts for the wealthy and a little religion won't fix."

    Yeah, those worked out real well didn't they?

    I am sick of Republicans, their war, and their unending belief in nonsense.
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    Jan 09, 2008 2:33 PM GMT
    "... I want Republican heads on pikes lining the town gates."

    Does this mean that there's still hope that the rest of world will finally get to see the televised spectacle of millions upon millions of angry American civilians descending upon their Capital and doing some mighty merciless Housecleaning before the next election?

    I was expecting something of the sort to occur a couple of months after the Iraq invasion, yet I've never ever read or heard a single allusion to this effect. Where have the hippies gone? Where is all the violence and gun-toting justice that 'America' is notorious for?
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    Jan 09, 2008 2:44 PM GMT
    Obama is a great speaker, but so was Reagan. I want to see more substance. I also think the reason the polls turned out wrong is that votes aren't going to tell a pollster they are racist but when they get in the voting booth its another matter. I hope I'm wrong on this. If we get another republican president there is a very good chance the Supreme Court will be even more conservative and remember the justices serve for life.
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    Jan 09, 2008 2:57 PM GMT
    There wont be another Repugnican president. Jesus Christ could run, but if he ran as a Repugnican, he would lose.

    In fact, I expect to see the Repugs lose more in both houses of Congress. Even the Repug candidates are running away from the Repug's record.

    But the last thing we need to do is follow advice from a country where one good sneeze could blow their confederation to pieces. icon_cool.gif
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    Jan 09, 2008 4:06 PM GMT
    Caslon saidIn fact, I expect to see the Repugs lose more in both houses of Congress. Even the Repug candidates are running away from the Repug's record.


    I hope they have "it" handed to them again. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than seeing Republicans soundly trounced all over the country in November.

    One downside to a Democrat landslide is of course that the President will be in charge of the war and I hope he or she has the will to withdraw the troops and end the folly that the Republicans and particularly their leader started.

    I think it is high time that we spend the next half-trillion here at home.
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    Jan 09, 2008 5:19 PM GMT
    Frankly, I'm just excited that Ducky44 used "effect" in the correct way in his first post on this!!

    97 people out of 100 can't differentiate effect and affect, and it drives me nuts!

    :-D

    yay for Obama - change the world, baby!
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    Jan 09, 2008 10:58 PM GMT
    vote Hillary icon_lol.gificon_exclaim.gificon_exclaim.gificon_exclaim.gif
  • NickoftheNort...

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    Jan 10, 2008 5:43 AM GMT
    Just read Leonard Pitts Jr.'s column in the Miami Herald and thought I'd share with y'all:

    We've come a very long way
    by Leonard Pitts Jr.

    These things happened last week in America.
    • Federal officials were quoted as saying Latino street gangs in Los Angeles have been killing people at random because they are black.
    • A new study found that ER doctors are less likely to prescribe strong pain medication for black and brown patients.
    • Barack Obama won Iowa's Democratic caucus.
    Read more at the Miami Herald
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    Jan 10, 2008 6:02 AM GMT
    Nick, I don't know that either of your first two points are anything new ot particularly startling.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 10, 2008 1:58 PM GMT
    One of the best things about this thread... the term "Repugnican"... I about fell over laughing when I heard that from Caslon....icon_razz.gif