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While results are not beyond 50% at this moment, it is clear that Hillary Clinton beat the naysayers that said the democratic race is all but over....

While I'm a loyal democrat and NOT against Obama (in any way).. I'd vote for him if he is the democratic nominee, I have been very concerned about the wild
(really above the top) approach many have taken since the Iowa caucas.

These results will force a real look at the issues, a calm review of what this election is all about.. and
Mrs. Clinton showed real guts the last few days...
I happen to have real respect for both Bill and Hillary.

This nomination process is FAR from over and I'm very pleased.

It is still wide open now. Fasten your seatbelts its gonna be a bumpy ride.

yeah it's going to get ugly.

And let's hope that we don't have to say "Hail to Hillary" someday. That evokes frightening imagery...

Only to you. The rest of us don't have Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

actually, the reference is to the hail part, not the hillary part. It evokes "Heil Hitler"-esque images to people who synthesize information.

Seriously, better luck next time!

Seriously, luck has nothing to do with it. Your weird aversion to all things Clinton has surfaced in about 9000 of your postings.

Clinton Country.

Cheers!

JP and Sicko:

Clit... Clinton - Does anyone else see this association? Too bad hers is a swirling black hole...

Obscene--

Sad to say, my version of Windows is so old (possibly older than some of the lads on here) that it will not permit me to view most embedded clips. So while I have no doubt you posted something wonderful, um, I'll never be able to see it.

Huzzah! I'm so excited by this news, as I have supported Hillary for a while now and called NH for her while doing some analysis for a friend's show.

It makes me happy to share the Clinton surname.

jprichva saidObscene--
Sad to say, my version of Windows is so old (possibly older than some of the lads on here) that it will not permit me to view most embedded clips. So while I have no doubt you posted something wonderful, um, I'll never be able to see it.

Well, it's a clip of one of the catfights between Alexis and Crystal.

Gedda Mac, dude!

Chewey_Delt saidHuzzah! I'm so excited by this news, as I have supported Hillary for a while now and called NH for her while doing some analysis for a friend's show.

It makes me happy to share the Clinton surname.

Holy crap, Chewey. Are you the lovechild of Bill Clinton and Lucianne Goldberg?

Sickofthesame... I'd say hail to any democrat rather than living and being "sickofthesame" of the last 7 years!!

I think it is pretty odd that the Repugnican candidates can run on a platform of change....it's been their party and their president running the country!

obscenewish said

Holy crap, Chewey. Are you the lovechild of Bill Clinton and Lucianne Goldberg?

I would never be so presumptuous to link myself directly to Bill and Hillary, but I do share the surname and my family did happen to come from the Arkansas/Missouri region.

I'm just saying...

Congrats to Hillary and Obama! I'm still for Edwards, so I can't say too much. But it's great to see individual states making up their own minds about an incredibly diverse range of candidates.

Gentlemen, I think we now have a true contest on our hands--Hillary and Obama will now have to address the issues more thouroughly. We'll see if they'll keep it civil; I think they might and for the Democratic Party's sake I hope they do. Hillary's upset proves that voters don't want to be told who they're voting for before they've even cast a ballot. More importantly, they are turning out in record numbers (Democrats outnumbering Republicans 2 to 1). On a personal note, as a Hillary supporter...fucking awesome!

I am all for change as well, but I am still wondering how our country will be able to afford Ms. Clinton financially.

scottywolden saidI am all for change as well, but I am still wondering how our country will be able to afford Ms. Clinton financially.

BushCo started out with Bill Clinton's balanced budget and turned it into record deficits, and you're wondering if we can afford Hillary?

Good for Hilary, don't know that I prefer her, but I think a good fight for the nomination should help all the candidates to clarify their positions, and prepare them for the second stage of the race.

Chewey, well no wonder you have political aspirations!

A vote for Hillary is a vote for CHANGE! Cause that's all the money you'll have left in your pocket! If you think health care is expen$ive now, wait till its free. as for quality, Brits/Canadians, give us 1st hand accounts please!
She cries, and wins. If Johnny Edwards tried that, maybe he'd do a little better. I'm sure Ahmadenijad and Kim Yung Il are QUAKING in their boots at the Heiress Apparent's imminent ascension to her Divine Right of Queens.

GWB is the biggest idiot to EVER walk the face of the Earth- Hillary is the smartest woman EVER! Bill just called her a "World Class Genius"-- WHY did she authorize force in Iraq? GWB "tricked" her. natural Blonde for SURE!

The media (CNN et al, not just Fox) is playing this for ratings- they don't even need writers! Remember their Golden Boy 5 years ago? Dean Howard, or something like that- yeah, he was a SHOE IN!
It's so predictable, yet not boring. Can't wait for the gloves to come off!

I'm SURE this Clinton would lift the Military Ban- just like hubby promised during CamelotII.

The ride will truly be bumpy, and NOT Carbon Neutral!
Question is, will the Indie canidate be a spoiler for the (D)'s- a la Nader, or the (R)'s- a la Perot?

RON PAUL IN 2008! When the going gets tough, the tough get weird!

Hillary's victory speech just ended (1:30am EST). It was truly a wonderful speech. I was for Edwards, but he seems to be tanking. She really won me over tonight. I guess I'm a Hillary guy now after all.

Good for Hillary...Now let's watch John Edwards and Obama cry because they lost, just like Edwards did after the Iowa caucas...That wasn't Edwards? Hmmm...Who was that? Props to Obscenewish for finding a version of a Dallas cat fight in spanish. I get the same way when someone reminds me about how many calories are in Chipotle!

Props to Obscenewish for finding a version of a Dallas cat fight in spanish

Spanish You are joking aren't you?

Props to Obscenewish for finding a version of a Dallas cat fight in spanish

Dallas?!!!? He can't be serious! Has anyone checked his gay card since he's been on board?

Oh noes!
In one fell sweep, I am reminded that I have not yet seen all of Dynasty and that I learn that the producers DIDN't wait until the physical cat-fight in the Dynasty movie. Damn you Spelling!
I am crushed...but like two political candidates we know, I will come back...

(which reminds me: if Schwarzenegger runs for re-election and loses, will he say "Uh'll be baack"?)

(oh, and what the 'f'? Someone is making a movie about the British girl who disappeared in Portugal this past summer?)

What a pleasant little surprise. It's seem that naysayers only make their views known publically and not politically -- like in a vote. I personally feel that it's a great thing that Hilary won the N.H. Primary. I personally feel that if Hilary could win the Presidency, than perhaps a homosexual may be a step closer being able to hold office; and to me, that would be someone I believe could really make some positive long needed changes to the political landscape, and our country overall. But, I'm just getting ahead of myself. Go Hilary! I'm ready to vote in Boston ;-) Naysayers, take your post >)

Great for her! It's going to be interesting to see who gets the nomination...

Go get'em girl!
I knew the old battle axe still had some fight in her
Just like what got her husband elected
It's the economy stupid
New Hampshire's been hit hard by the economy and the news is pretty grim about the future
people who voted with the economy in mind voted overwhelmingly for Hillary

I've heard rumors of a Clinton attack machine, and I guess what Huffington describes is that machine and how it works.

The Huffington Post: Portrait in Cynicism: Hillary Attacks Obama from Every Angle
by Arianna Huffington

Reports of her demise are premature...

You go girl.

Ms. Huffington, whom I like, is notoriously, violently, relentlessly, tiresomely anti-Hillary. I think it sucks that the site's home page seems repeatedly slanted against Hillary.

This morning they're "blaming" Hillary's win on her tears, as if Obama's appeal isn't primarily emotional.

I like Arianna, but I hate Huffington Post. Seriously, do we really need to read editorials by a former star of the show Wings?

If you want to see really silly democrats you should read Daily Kos. They are rabid Edwards supporters talking about how now is the perfect chance for an Edwards come back! Cause, you know, coming in third in the only two states you even have a pulse in is a real launch pad.

But hey, based on polling information and prediction markets I thought Obama would win by 8 points last night. So, you never know.

Actually, Edwards came in second in Iowa.

I post regularly on DailyKos, and as a Hillary supporter, it is hard to do so. That website, supposedly in place to elect more and better Democrats, has become THE premier Hillary hate site on the Internet, even more than RedState.org. Kossacks, as we are called, feel Hillary is not liberal enough to be the standard bearer for the party, while Republicans think she is too liberal. This dear lady is like a national Rorsach inkblot. People look at her and see what they want to see...

This is exactly what is wrong with US politics: more style, less substance. Clinton gets "emotional" in response to a question about her hair, and suddenly she's a human being! Um, what about that Iran vote she just said "yes" to? Iraq? IMF/WTO? Does anyone GAF???

Am I the only one thoroughly disgusted with BOTH US political parties at the moment?

I'm glad she won, nothing against Barack, he just doesn't seem to have his policy platform down pat yet. His comment where he mused about using military force to go into Pakistan gave me pause.

I am also glad that John McCain won. Although I am not a big fan of the Republicans, I could live with McCain or Guiliani, at least they have some feistiness and nastiness to them as well as integrity (for a politician). They also don't seem to be as beholden to the Christian right like Huckabee.

sickothesame saidactually, the reference is to the hail part, not the hillary part. It evokes "Heil Hitler"-esque images to people who synthesize information.

We've had seven years of bowing to the anti-christ, already. In spite of the fact that I don't feel as excited about her, Obama, or Edwards, I'd still welcome the second coming of the Clintons.

(God, I hope that wasn't blasphemous.)

Jrdnstatz saidClit... Clinton - Does anyone else see this association?

To that I'd have to say, Dick and Bush... Do I have to spell out how F*cked we've been? As long as this Clit isn't circumsized, then we should have, at least, a 4 year orgasm. (Hmmm, that can give all kinds of new meaning to "serving at the pleasure of the Prez."

would everyone stop flipping shit over hillary letting her guard down? the poor woman is exhausted! Much more so than the men because she has to act tough so as to fight the double standard of 'women are too emotional to hold positions of power.'

the initial question was "How do you do it?" That is what Hillary was responding to -- did any of you complainers actually watch the clip to see what she had to say and how genuine her words were??

I for one am elated over NH's results...

jarhead5536 saidI post regularly on DailyKos, and as a Hillary supporter, it is hard to do so. That website, supposedly in place to elect more and better Democrats, has become THE premier Hillary hate site on the Internet, even more than RedState.org.

I was pretty disgusted to see Markos this morning posting the tired crap about how she only won because she cried and that everyone has to quit hating on her because that just builds a bloc of sympathy voters. Good lord.

For the first time in American history, a woman and a man who is not white-straight-christian-republican both stand a pretty good chance at becoming the president of what might soon become again the greatest country on the planet. Not a bad day to be American.

I'm not FOR Hillary, but don't hate her either. Back when she was the health care warrior queen, I thought she was great. But since then she voted FOR the war in Iraq, supported that horrific bankruptcy bill (come on people, THAT was bad ), and generally tried to triangulate towards a formula for national electibility which included taking a number of right-wing positions.

It's all reasonable strategy (or is it officially 'strategerie' now?), but none of that's going to win my heart or mind.

You Americans...

This is horrible news, I guess democratic voters in New Hampshire fell for her phony bullshit and all her false promises. It is the same phony bullshit that she pulled to get elected US Senator for New York and since then she has done nothing for the people of New York except shoot her big mouth off and release huge quantities of hot air. Hail to Hillary hell no. She does not deserve any respect or admiration because she failed to earn it. She is all appearences and no substance. A message to all you Hillary sycophants out there, this race is very far from over will see how this queen bee carpetbagging bitch does in South Carolina and the rest of the country. She is definately the worst democratic presidential candidate and if she does win the democratic nomination, I intend to vote republican and the hell with the democrats. You want me to vote democrat, then goddamnit choose a decent, trustworthy candidate and send this loudmouthed, opportunist bimbo back to Little Rock.

[quote][cite]roadbikeRob said[/cite]This is horrible news, I guess democratic voters in New Hampshire fell for her phony bullshit and all her false promises. It is the same phony bullshit that she pulled to get elected US Senator for New York and since then she has done nothing for the people of New York except shoot her big mouth off and release huge quantities of hot air. Hail to Hillary hell no. She does not deserve any respect or admiration because she failed to earn it.

I find such ungrounded comments really offensive. She is a very hard working senator.. She serves on committees in the senate, including the foreign affairs committee, has made trips overseas and worked hard and listened to the people of New York.

She has more than earned respect for her dedication.
What she doesn't deserve was the treatment she received over the weekend, but she showed them.
I was very pleased.

roadbikeRob--I've read enough of your posts now to come to the conclusion that you're aversion to Hillary Clinton boils down to blantant mysogyny. Calling her a bitch only debases yourself; and if you think that voting Republican would be the answer, then there's probably a screw loose there as well. Perhaps you, Chris Matthews, and Rush Limbaugh should go have a tea party or something.

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Leave Hillary alone!!!

I agree with McGay..a woman or a black man as the front runners is wonderful news

its also nice to have hndsmkansan as a democrat in kansas

If Hillary wins it, I won't be pissed or anything. Just think of how cheesed off the wing-nuts will be!
That's reason enough to send her a check!

Compared to Bush, A N Y B O D Y will be a refreshing change. And I do think Hillary would be a good president BECAUSE of her ego. She's GOT to know that if she fks up, people will be all over her. I think she'll actually want to do good things for the nation even if it is, in part, about her legacy as the first woman president.

And it'll be refreshing to have someone smart in charge of the country for a change.

See, you can be cynical AND hopefull at the same time if you try hard enough!

I am telling all my co-workers I am voting for Hillary. It sends them into a tail-spin. Most of them are Repugs and the sheer mention of voting for Hillary freaks their fragile little minds. I truly prefer Edwards but of course I will vote for Hillary if she is the Democratic Nominee.

I even bought some "H" stickers and have been covering up old "W" stickers I see on parked cars. I just wish I could be there when the W-worshipers see those "H" stickers and stroke out. Ha!!!

Independent of Clinton's strengths and weaknesses, I see a problem with her candidacy unrelated to her worth. Irrational Clinton-hating, of the type we see in USMCJock's post above, is rampant in the mid-section of the country. I've witnessed it. It's out of proportion to any actual issues related to her positions, even her support of Bush's invasion of Iraq.

I am way beyond making a "statement" by my vote. First and foremost I want the Republicans out....their pandering to their own far right means step backwards in almost every area of importance to me, including gay rights, environmental issues etc. Even McCain, the most palatable of their candidates would be kissing up to the religious right portion of the party.

I'd be happy with Obama, Edwards or Clinton...but I want the party to choose the one that is most likely to defeat the Republicans. By the way, Clinton's husband balanced the budget. It's astounding to me to read some of the posts by the Log Cabin Republicans on this site actually complaining that the budget would not be balanced if Hilary Clinton became president, ignoring the near trillion dollars wasted by Bush on Iraq. Imagine if that money were back in the treasury.

I agree with McGay....if the choice comes down to Clinton or Obama as the Democratic candidate, and if one of them wins (please, God....), it will do much to restore our country to its progressive stature.

John

Well, before you remember the Clinton "Golden Years" (*cough cough*), just recall that spending for social programs started to decline in these years, Kyoto was NOT ratified, Iraq sanctions were in place, US prison population rose tremendously, and the seeds planted for what could in the near future be war in Kosovo, again. No, Clinton isn't Bush, but just keep it real.

To all those who say "anything is better than the republicans," isn't it that sort of nonchalance that has kept the Dems in Congress sitting on their asses...after all, they know they get your vote so why bother doing anything. To believe Mrs. Clinton will be any better than Giuliani (ugh, I shudder at the thought)is to ignore her voting record, her equivocations, and her record on helping the citizens of NY. 2 Cents.

"... just recall that spending for social programs started to decline in these years, Kyoto was NOT ratified..."

No one is claiming that Clinton's presidency was without its issues. But many of the things he wanted to do were stymied by an uncooperative congress. I agree about Kyoto...but at least the late 1990s were a period when what we scientists were describing as Global Warming was poorly understood, and, probably, poorly communicated. Skepticism, though unwarranted, probably was more understandable then.

From my perspective as an environmentalist, to put the Clinton presidency in the same conversation with the Bush presidency, just because of the lack of support for Kyoto by both, is reducing the score on enviornmentalism too simplistically. First, what was known about global warming then and now is the difference between night and day, and, second, the Bush administration has done its best to spread disinformation about the issue. And, then, on every other issue with respect to the environment, the Republicans fail miserably.

So, yes, at this point, ANY democrat would be better than any Republican. No one is stating, though, that were the Democrats in huge majority and in power, that some of the same fat cat issues associated would power would not emerge. Of course they would emerge.

But we are not at that point. Right now we need a change back.

I don't really care who wins, I'm just glad we're through with Bush!
Speding some time in Europe lately I heard a lot of comparisons between Bush and Hitler, now leaving in the middle if this is a good or a bad thing, the following clip just makes me think of Bush and I wanted to share...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ubn4iwcVw

Go Huckabee!!

Some of the many faces of Hillary...







She's a crazy girl, that Hillary!

Gettingharder saidGo Huckabee!!

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