Italians Rally Against Gay Marriage

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    May 14, 2007 10:59 PM GMT
    I thought this story would be of interest to gay people. I personally find it interesting since my dad is from Italy. I also thought it would interesting to highlight reaction to gay marriage across the planet.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6628559,00.html
  • SkyMiles

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    May 15, 2007 2:42 AM GMT
    Most of the world is still enthralled by conservative religious faiths who aren't too cool on the idea of gay marriage. Backlash should be expected.
  • treader

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    May 15, 2007 8:32 PM GMT

    Even before I read the article, I immediately thought that Vatican is probably behind this. The article says that they weren't officially. I still think that they have some major influence in Italy. Kinda sad.
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    May 15, 2007 10:49 PM GMT
    Tonight I was just talking with a friend (who broke up with his Italian - Roman boyfriend recently) about being gay in Italy. The last post on this is rather accurate.

    I did not know about this story, but my friend was saying that there are a lot of gays in Italy it is just that the Vatican holds quite a bit of sway over everyday life and so many are closeted (I guess as compared to other places he has lived, like here in BCN and the Netherlands for instance - but these might not be normal spaces for the opposite reason).

    He was complaining how this strong prejudice alters the situation there towards the not so healthy. Guys may even get married to a woman, all the time keeping their boyfriend. While this may have been more common in the past in many places, it is unfortunate for everyone involved in today's society. Or so it seems.

    This reminds me of an interesting article in The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200705/gay-saudi-arabia
  • BlackJock79

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    May 17, 2007 11:35 PM GMT
    GOD how I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Italian men. That didn't have much to do with the subject but I just wanted to say that...
  • GQjock

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    May 18, 2007 12:46 AM GMT
    That's the new Pope...
    Pray for some smoke out of his chimney...soon
  • Roadcyclist

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    May 18, 2007 12:50 AM GMT
    Well believe I can comment on this since I am FBI (Full Blooded Italian). Was frankly shocked to hear Italy was moving toward changing the laws regarding same sex couple as Spain has done. Expected this push back and now it's here. Seams however, at least the Italians are having a debate... more than we can say is seriously going on here in US.. This too will come to pass in time
  • allamericantx

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    May 18, 2007 12:59 AM GMT
    If the Vatican has anything to do with this issue of gay marriage, I would like to quote Margaret Cho on this one:

    "Can you believe the pope says he doesn't agree with gay marriage cause it's not 'normal'? Not normal? Who the hell does the pope think he is to be calling what is and isn't normal?! The pope?! Oh yeah, you in your loooooong robe, your gold chains and drooping jewels,......your golden hat.......lol....young boys around you everywhere you go.....lol....living in a house full of antiques!....lol....oh, yeah, you's a real good judge of what is and isn't normal!"

    - Margaret Cho
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    May 18, 2007 1:48 AM GMT
    "Seams however, at least the Italians are having a debate... more than we can say is seriously going on here in US.."

    What planet are you living on?? That's all anyone in the US talks about these days. Every church talks about gay marriage. Americans debate everything under the sun, including the sun. Typical left wing knee jerk blame America response. Boooooring~ If Italians were rounding up gays and sticking them in concentration camps (they, along with Germans, did that once before not too long ago) you would still find a reason to praise them and condemn America. Get a life!!
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    May 18, 2007 1:53 AM GMT
    Shame on the partions of the Italian and Spanish government who is banning gay marriage.

    Just the same as shame on the Republican party in the US tried to the same.

    Shame on all the political parties world wide that are trying to impose religeous values into civil law...

    Sad, and very scary..
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    May 18, 2007 2:01 AM GMT
    I don't think we should be broad-brushing this as something the "Italians" are doing. Some Italians are doing it, yes.

    And I speak as a second generation Italian-American.

    But, Italy is a very Catholic country...and their politics is often driven by the Church/Vatican, IMHO.

    It's a lesson for us. Compared to the extreme conservative Christian right in this country, the Catholic Church is benevolent.

    However, I have to say, that this is one of the reasons that I shed myself of Catholicism long before I came out.

    However, let he who is guiltless cast the first stone. I am more concerned about our own backyard in the U.S.
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    May 18, 2007 2:11 AM GMT
    I agree..

    That is exactly why I chose the word "Partians"

    Not all Italians feel the same way, I am sure many are just as outraged as many of us were when Bush wanted to do the same thing...
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    May 18, 2007 2:11 AM GMT
    Portions, Ihad typo in both poists!
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    May 18, 2007 2:38 AM GMT
    AllAmericanTX..

    Since you mentioned the Pope..

    You would really enjoy the fake Mastercard commercial on this site:

    http://www.bettybowers.com/nl_may2007.html

    LOL...
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    May 18, 2007 2:38 AM GMT
    Direct link to the Mastercard ad:

    http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0607/popemastercard.html
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    May 18, 2007 3:25 AM GMT
    According to Correire della Sera, the Milan paper, there was another large demonstration the same day pro gay marriage, anti church involvement in politics, in Piazza Navona. A number of prominent writers and artists were at the latter one. Franco Zeffireli, of all people, was at the anti-gay rights demo. Maybe tryng to pick up some cute bigot?
    On a similar note the mayor of Rome, Walter Veltroni, has just published a novel about growing up gay.
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    May 18, 2007 4:41 AM GMT
    THANK YOU!!

    It is not much different from our country. It is very dangerous to keep quite about waht is injust going on in any society.

    And the ones who accuses the ones who critisize as unpatriotic, non-appreciative, whining, US bashing, and should just move if one points out an issue that needs to be addressed and improve: This is the tactic of fascism.

    An egalitarian socoety NEEDS constant observation by its citizens and criticisms are neccessary to prevent it becoming a fascist state.
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    May 18, 2007 4:57 AM GMT
    I'm w/ TX and ms. Cho on this one.
    There is nothing that I can add to it accept some bad words, and I'm really trying to be nice today.