Hillary won NH, I am very sad =(

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    Jan 09, 2008 2:43 PM GMT
    My feeling and I hate to say this is if she got NH she will probably get the nomination. Obama had to win the early states to show his strength, and that he can defeat her. Now that she has had a comeback she will likely take the big states during the sweep. So much for progress in America. I know Obama has 1 more delegate than Clinton right now but symbolically Clinton had a huge win. Stupid old NH voters, 55% of their electorate is over 50 and therefore they don't want to see change, they just wanna keep us in the dark ages. We need young fresh innovative leadership in Washington. Paint the white house, rainbow colors! lol.
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    Jan 09, 2008 2:55 PM GMT
    Meh. The race is just beginning. Would Obama want you to give up hope? icon_smile.gif
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    Jan 09, 2008 3:06 PM GMT
    And Obama made a good showing in NH. Plus as the primaries move into the South, he will have more african-americans to vote for him. Look, he did great in two of our whitest states, for heaven's sake.
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    Jan 09, 2008 3:10 PM GMT
    I'm both for and against both of them, so I'm just gonna kick back and watch.
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    Jan 09, 2008 3:20 PM GMT
    Hippie, last I checked, about 99% of the country had yet to have their say. Might want to avoid the trap of the media/pundits and declare races a little too early.
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    Jan 09, 2008 3:23 PM GMT
    Yeah, I think this is a good thing. We will learn far more about them than we would have if Obama had swept the whole thing.
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    Jan 09, 2008 4:02 PM GMT
    It will be a sad day if either one of them gets to be president.
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    Jan 09, 2008 5:13 PM GMT
    Well, after last night I must remind to myself to never, never, never, never predict the outcome of an election based on polls, prediction markets, and demographics.

    But, it will be a more interesting contest for it.
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    Jan 09, 2008 5:16 PM GMT
    Hillary gave a GREAT victory speech last night, really inspiring. I haven't really been one of her fans before, but she won me over.

    There's still something about Obama that I find slippery.
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    Jan 09, 2008 5:22 PM GMT
    The poll numbers for Obama and Edwards were correct, yet Hillary still won. Here's what happened:

    The undecideds that made up their minds on the actual day of voting went to her by huge margins. In the end, they decided that the change Obama embodied was just too much, too frightening for them, so they chose a hard-working, experienced, thoroughly competent policy wonk.

    Go Hillary...
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    Jan 09, 2008 6:20 PM GMT
    "There's still something about Obama that I find slippery."

    I agree with this. Something just isn't right.

    I am curious though... I live in Washington, DC and the gays here don't seem so behind Obama.

    Why so much love for Obama?

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    Jan 09, 2008 6:24 PM GMT
    jscott72 said"There's still something about Obama that I find slippery."

    I agree with this. Something just isn't right.

    I am curious though... I live in Washington, DC and the gays here don't seem so behind Obama.

    Why so much love for Obama?



    My take - he is the anti-Hillary. She has been lied about for so long and so often that people believe shit made up out of whole cloth. It is easier to drink the Kool Ade and believe that Hillary is Lady MacBeth/Medea/Lucrecia Borgia all rolled into one than to take the time to see that none of that is true about her...
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    Jan 09, 2008 7:08 PM GMT

    I loath a 55% maximum tax rate. icon_neutral.gif
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    Jan 09, 2008 8:46 PM GMT
    "Young, independent voter" chiming in...

    People have been anti-Hillary since she was pushing for National Health Care back in the 90's (which they should have liked her for). Some groups were publicly burning things with her face attached, which is pretty f*cked up. It's really shocking how many people don't question the way they feel about her, because after watching the debates, she's is by far the strongest candidate.

    I don't think anyone should be talking about "sincerity" or "authenticity" in politics anymore. They all have acting coaches anyways, even the republicans. Right now, people need to be looking at pragmatism. Obama and Edwards are all fluff, and they say nothing of substance. I don't understand how people can read Obama as sincere anyways; he's cagey and vague, and his tactics will not hold up in debates against a republican candidate later on. In 2000, Bush was a very inexperienced candidate, and we all know what change was brought about from that.

    I never loved Hillary, as I don't like any politician, but I support her over the others. I liked Obama more 8 years ago, before he started campaigning. I'd support him if he's the final candidate, only because I don't want another republican president. As an independent voter, I used to think they were all the same. But enough is enough.

    "Paint the whitehouse rainbow colors" by voting for Obama?? He is not very supportive of LGBT issues. Read please, this should not be a "choose your favorite actor" contest.


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    Jan 10, 2008 12:31 AM GMT
    Luke if you stack up Obama on Hillary on LGBT issues you will find Obama is much more in favor of LGBT rights and also less afraid to say so. Obama has an account on GLEE.com and he has a page for LGBT Americans. Hillary takes the gay vote for granted. She also does not support repealing Defense of Marriage Act.
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    Jan 10, 2008 12:48 AM GMT
    luke310 said
    "Paint the whitehouse rainbow colors" by voting for Obama?? He is not very supportive of LGBT issues.


    And Hillary is gay friendly? She's all for just maintaining the status quo.

  • Timbales

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    Jan 10, 2008 12:51 AM GMT
    As a resident of the state Ms. Clinton is allegedly serving, I won't vote for her in my primary. Obama talks a good game, but I don't think he'll be able to get anything accomplished. The more I get to understand how the system works, the less enthusiasm I have for these elections.
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    Jan 10, 2008 12:58 AM GMT
    hippie4lyfeStupid old NH voters, 55% of their electorate is over 50 and therefore they don't want to see change

    And what makes you think that just because someone is over 50 that they don't want change?

    That's a broad and baseless generalization and it reeks of ageism. Just an FYI here... age doesn't automatically dictate an unwillingness for change, my friend. I'm 45 and definitely all for change... and I have a wide circle of friends and associates that encompass all ages. Most of the people over 50 that I associate with are much more in favor of change and vocal about it than most of the "under 30" crowd that I hang with.

    Perhaps the reason she carried NH is because the majority of people there like her better than the other candidates. There are people that like Hillary, you know... and not all of them are over 30.

    The race isn't won yet... the majority of the nation still has to vote... and its way too early to even start predicting who's going to get the party nom. Some people, like myself, still haven't decided who we'll vote for... and probably won't until its closer to time for us to actually vote. Personally, I want to see which candidates chage their platforms and by how much now that the primaries have begun...
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 10, 2008 1:07 AM GMT
    Hillary is using the gay vote the same way she has used the black vote, make promises and tell everyone things they want to hear but once elected put a knife in everyones back and pander to the right wing. This is a sad day for our country and the democratic party but it is only a minor setback because the overwhelming majority of the country has to vote in their primaries. Hopefully this queen bee phony bitch will get plastered in all the upcoming democratic primaries. If democratic voters are stupid enough to choose Hillary for the nomination, then be prepared for four more years of republican tenancy in the white house. I for one will even vote for the GOP candidate if Hillary wins the democratic nomination providing it is not Huckabee. The last thing we need in this country right now is billary turning the white house back into the tawdry, free-for-all freakshow that it was during the 1990s.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 10, 2008 1:15 AM GMT
    IT MADE MY WHOLE NIGHT: Was VERY pleased with the outcome.

    As mentioned in the thread I started last night, I hope this will force a reasoned dialogue over a variety of issues... not some hyped loonicy over "change" without substance. While I think Obama is a good candidate, I want to hear a grounded discussion of the issues during this year....

    I thought the treatment of Mrs. Clinton was outragious by the media and was impressed with the way she conducted herself after the Iowa caucases.

    As I mentioned in the other thread, I like all the democratic candidates. Hillary is a very hard working, articulate senator who has been a real asset to the citizens of New York. I would expect nothing other should she be the nominee...icon_biggrin.gif
  • Timbales

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    Jan 10, 2008 1:49 AM GMT
    ah, you're from Kansas
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 10, 2008 1:57 AM GMT
    I am and its great Timberoo
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    Jan 10, 2008 2:00 AM GMT
    I'm from California, and moved here from NYC. Your point?
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    Jan 10, 2008 2:06 AM GMT
    Trance23 said[quote][cite]luke310 said[/cite]
    "Paint the whitehouse rainbow colors" by voting for Obama?? He is not very supportive of LGBT issues.


    And Hillary is gay friendly?

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    Did I say she will paint the whitehouse in rainbows? No, I said I don't love her but I support her more than the others. None of them are great with these issues, and it's naive to say any of them are 'rainbow painters.'

    And the marriage argument doesn't mean much to me, since I don't believe the state has the right to recognize or sanctify any of my personal relationships.
  • Timbales

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    Jan 10, 2008 2:20 AM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidI am and its great Timberoo


    I'm sure it is, and I'm glad you like Hillary.

    But as a guy living here, and not in the favored NYC area, she has not done much for the state.