Bulking diets? I'm so confused...

  • Jormundr

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    Jan 15, 2010 3:55 AM GMT
    I just started a bulking diet 500 more calories than I normally eat, I am lifting more every session but it hasn't been two weeks and Im developing a lot of fat over my abs? Am I eating wrong or do I just not get it?
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    Jan 15, 2010 5:01 AM GMT
    generally u do accumulate fat when really bulking. it sucks i know im at the end of my bulking phase and really dont wanna do the slimming down work lol. u can gain fat even eating the right foods in excess. id say if ur not gaining strength and muscle growth aside from the fat ur either eating too much or not working hard enough. if u are seeing gains i would set a weight limit to which u gauge ur starting point for tthe cutting phase. mine was 180.
  • UFJocknerd

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    Jan 16, 2010 12:02 AM GMT
    What are the 500 extra calories composed of? Bulking diets should still be clean (i.e., your meals are still things like chicken, broccoli, and rice--you just eat more of it).
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 16, 2010 5:20 PM GMT
    The one major obstacle to bodybuilding success are these ridiculously restrictive diets. I swear these bodybuilding experts expect you to give up everything and live on nuts and twigs. It is totally unnecessary to have protein in every single meal. In fact it is unrealistic. You cannot eat this you cannot eat that, these bodybuilding diets are idiotic and too restrictive. Furthermore, I would like to know where we are going to get the tremendous amount of money to buy all these so-called clean foods that bodybuilders and nutrition experts expect us to consume on a daily basis six times a day.
    It just doesn't make any logical sense.
  • Neon_Dreams

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    Jan 17, 2010 9:47 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said...It is totally unnecessary to have protein in every single meal...You cannot eat this you cannot eat that, these bodybuilding diets are idiotic and too restrictive...bodybuilders and nutrition experts expect us to consume [clean foods with proteins] on a daily basis six times a day.


    What is the solution?

    I try to buy organic everything...And, yes- it is very costly. I sacrifice most luxuries in order to eat healthfully. I wonder if I am eating too much and/or working out not hard enough- because I am not getting fast results. I AM getting slow and steady results.

    **My goal is to gain 10lbs of muscle and lose enough body fat to see my ab definition. I weigh 140lbs @ 5'7" tall.

    This is what I EAT DAILY:

    --Quinoa, Brown Rice, Whole Grain/High Fiber Cereal, Sprouted/Spelt Bread
    --Potatoes, Carrots, Spinach, Onions, Garlic, Sea Salt, Pepper, Bell Peppers, --Cucumbers, Tomatoes, Mixed Greens
    --Almonds!!!
    --Nonfat Organic Milk, Yogurt
    --Chicken, Salmon, Tuna, Eel (Sushi!), Bison
    --Apples, Bananas, Oranges, Raspberries, Blueberries, Mango
    --Cheese (Pizza!), Dark Chocolate, Red Wine - on occasion
  • DCEric

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    Jan 18, 2010 8:15 PM GMT
    joecoolnv said Bison


    Uh, my local supermarket definitely doesn't stock that.

    Seriously though, drop buying organic stuff, if you can't afford it. Realistically chicken is the cheapest meat (aside from some cuts of pork that grossed me out before I cared about health). Broccoli and other veggies are fairly inexpensive. So what exactly is over priced? If you can't afford buying enough calories, then don't. You won't bulk up as much, but you will bulk up some.

    Am I missing something?
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    Jan 19, 2010 10:53 PM GMT
    I was able to put on almost 10 pounds of quality muscle over the last several months by maintaining my normal (pretty clean) diet and just adding a weight-gainer type shake after my workout and mid-mornings on non-training days. Perhaps it would work for you...

    --Carlos
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    Jan 20, 2010 9:14 PM GMT
    I had to take in about 5k of calories a day before I started seeing any weight gain. I started out at 3k of calories a day and kept adding on 200 more per week until I started seeing some gains. I gained about 10 pounds and it wasn't pure muscle either. I went from 180-190lbs and I am now at 185.

    I did most of my caloric intake with high cal protein shakes and peanut butter. With that kind of diet, you can forget about bottoming. icon_redface.gif
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    Jan 20, 2010 9:18 PM GMT
    you should ask boywonder! he's knows everything about diet and working out.

    and vote for him as Man of the Day while you're at it.

    http://www.realjock.com/profile?id=131619

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    Jan 20, 2010 10:05 PM GMT
    hapakun said
    I did most of my caloric intake with high cal protein shakes and peanut butter. With that kind of diet, you can forget about bottoming. icon_redface.gif


    lol too true!
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 20, 2010 11:03 PM GMT
    Dump the damned brown rice. There is absolutely nothing wrong with white rice, it has the same nutrients. Brown rice tastes like goddamned sawdust. You might as well go to a lumber yard and buy sawdust and cook if you are going to eat brown rice. It will probably be a lot cheaper.
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    Jan 20, 2010 11:23 PM GMT
    tommo said
    hapakun said
    I did most of my caloric intake with high cal protein shakes and peanut butter. With that kind of diet, you can forget about bottoming. icon_redface.gif


    lol too true!


    A total catch-22 if you're bulking up just to be a more attractive bottom! icon_eek.gif
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    Jan 28, 2010 2:40 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidThe one major obstacle to bodybuilding success are these ridiculously restrictive diets. I swear these bodybuilding experts expect you to give up everything and live on nuts and twigs. It is totally unnecessary to have protein in every single meal. In fact it is unrealistic. You cannot eat this you cannot eat that, these bodybuilding diets are idiotic and too restrictive. Furthermore, I would like to know where we are going to get the tremendous amount of money to buy all these so-called clean foods that bodybuilders and nutrition experts expect us to consume on a daily basis six times a day.
    It just doesn't make any logical sense.



    Bodybuilding is like any sport....being succesfull doesn't just happen....it takes determination...especially with your diet.....if you want to gain, grow and have the energy to workout then you have to follow a strict protein, carb, fat diet.....its a non negotiable.

    I eat around £10-£12 of food every day , around $15-18....from the supermarket plus protein shakes on top to reach 300g min of protein per day and 70gs of good fats.

    I eat well and it makes me feel good both mentaly and physicaly, far from being idiotic.

    it makes complete logical sense if you are seriuous about BB and fitness.

    how can you make such sweeping staements about BB nutrition?
    I assume you go to the gym?
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    Jan 28, 2010 2:43 PM GMT
    Jormundr saidI just started a bulking diet 500 more calories than I normally eat, I am lifting more every session but it hasn't been two weeks and Im developing a lot of fat over my abs? Am I eating wrong or do I just not get it?



    m8...you are bulking...the aim is to get some good size on you.....worry about the abs when ur cutting.....icon_smile.gif...you are not alone in thinking this way...so many guys want to bulk up....they start to see additional weight and get scared.....soldier on through it...get to the size you want...then tailor your diet to cutt....and add some cardio and the mid section will go....

    good luck!
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    Jan 28, 2010 2:44 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidDump the damned brown rice. There is absolutely nothing wrong with white rice, it has the same nutrients. Brown rice tastes like goddamned sawdust. You might as well go to a lumber yard and buy sawdust and cook if you are going to eat brown rice. It will probably be a lot cheaper.



    agreed...the brown rice tale is a mythicon_smile.gif
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    Jan 28, 2010 2:52 PM GMT
    joecoolnv said
    roadbikeRob said...It is totally unnecessary to have protein in every single meal...You cannot eat this you cannot eat that, these bodybuilding diets are idiotic and too restrictive...bodybuilders and nutrition experts expect us to consume [clean foods with proteins] on a daily basis six times a day.


    What is the solution?

    I try to buy organic everything...And, yes- it is very costly. I sacrifice most luxuries in order to eat healthfully. I wonder if I am eating too much and/or working out not hard enough- because I am not getting fast results. I AM getting slow and steady results.

    **My goal is to gain 10lbs of muscle and lose enough body fat to see my ab definition. I weigh 140lbs @ 5'7" tall.

    This is what I EAT DAILY:

    --Quinoa, Brown Rice, Whole Grain/High Fiber Cereal, Sprouted/Spelt Bread
    --Potatoes, Carrots, Spinach, Onions, Garlic, Sea Salt, Pepper, Bell Peppers, --Cucumbers, Tomatoes, Mixed Greens
    --Almonds!!!
    --Nonfat Organic Milk, Yogurt
    --Chicken, Salmon, Tuna, Eel (Sushi!), Bison
    --Apples, Bananas, Oranges, Raspberries, Blueberries, Mango
    --Cheese (Pizza!), Dark Chocolate, Red Wine - on occasion


    at 140lbs you should be aiming for 210gs of protein per day

    add full fat milk
    drop the pizza, choc, red wine
    start the day with a protein shake and cereal/ fruit
    end the day with cassein protein shake before bed
    - the 2 shakes combined will give you around 70gs of protein

    eat more chicken....maybe 3 breasts per day with the usual sides
    - how many meals are u actually eating?

    make a daily food journal with 210gs of protein at the top and tailor ur food to meet this number by bedtime.

    cheers
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    Feb 02, 2012 6:53 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidDump the damned brown rice. There is absolutely nothing wrong with white rice, it has the same nutrients. Brown rice tastes like goddamned sawdust. You might as well go to a lumber yard and buy sawdust and cook if you are going to eat brown rice. It will probably be a lot cheaper.


    you are clearly fucking retarded. And obviously nobody is going to take advice from you because you're 50 and don't appear to be in great shape.

    Brown rice is a zillion times healthier than white rice. It has the germ and husk still. Ever wonder why people eat WHEAT GERM? It's the same thing, just a different gain, and it's LOADED with nutrients. Brown rice has many times more vitamins and minerals than white rice.

    My best advice: Don't take any advice from overweight 50 year olds.
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    Feb 02, 2012 6:55 AM GMT
    TommyT said
    roadbikeRob saidDump the damned brown rice. There is absolutely nothing wrong with white rice, it has the same nutrients. Brown rice tastes like goddamned sawdust. You might as well go to a lumber yard and buy sawdust and cook if you are going to eat brown rice. It will probably be a lot cheaper.



    agreed...the brown rice tale is a mythicon_smile.gif



    Ugh. people are so stupid. It's not solely about the nutrient content. It's also about vitamins, minerals. etc. etc. Brown rice has WAY more Vit. B in it, and you need vitamin B to digest and metabolise protein.. and what do we need protein for? That's right, to repair muscle after damage (i.e. what we like to call working out..)

    Ugh. People.
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    Feb 02, 2012 7:25 AM GMT
    Jeandeau said
    TommyT said
    roadbikeRob saidDump the damned brown rice. There is absolutely nothing wrong with white rice, it has the same nutrients. Brown rice tastes like goddamned sawdust. You might as well go to a lumber yard and buy sawdust and cook if you are going to eat brown rice. It will probably be a lot cheaper.



    agreed...the brown rice tale is a mythicon_smile.gif



    Ugh. people are so stupid. It's not solely about the nutrient content. It's also about vitamins, minerals. etc. etc. Brown rice has WAY more Vit. B in it, and you need vitamin B to digest and metabolise protein.. and what do we need protein for? That's right, to repair muscle after damage (i.e. what we like to call working out..)

    Ugh. People.


    ^^ agreed, people should educate themselves in the benefits of some foods.
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    Feb 02, 2012 7:30 AM GMT
    You guys do realize this thread was exhumed from 2010, right?

    Anyway, brown rice also has FIBER!
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    Feb 02, 2012 7:40 AM GMT
    yeah I realised that after I responded. haha. But I'm still interested in tips about bulking! (i.e. how I found the thread...)