GLORY HOLES --- obsolete? Would you use one?

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    Jan 17, 2010 3:09 PM GMT
    Another RJ thread tells an apocryphal story about a glory hole. Which reminded me of some glory holes I saw last weekend in Key West, Florida, at a gay hotel.

    They were in a wooden outdoor enclosure called the "Man Cave" in the back patio area, not holes really, more like oblong slots to accommodate different heights, several in a row in this free-standing plywood partition (splinters?). But the Cave was empty, its roofless construction making it too chilly during the cold snap that was hitting Florida. Another Key West gay guest house I know has a similar arrangement in their upstairs play room.

    But I wondered -- are glory holes still popular, and needed? Aren't they remnants of public restroom sex, when secrecy & anonymity were essential? Don't gay men have better options for sex now, than blindly sticking our dicks through holes with strangers? Or is glory hole sex a special treat all its own, that I've been missing? You guys have any experiences with them?
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    Jan 17, 2010 3:18 PM GMT
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    Jan 17, 2010 4:09 PM GMT
    Well, I suppose if they market the product, there must be sufficient demand. icon_rolleyes.gif

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    Jan 17, 2010 4:16 PM GMT
    There is nothing sexy to me about sticking my penis in a hole for some unknown man to suck. I have never understood the fantasy. I would rather have a full love making session in the comfort of my own home with someone I want to have sex with.
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    Jan 17, 2010 4:53 PM GMT
    timboice77 saidThere is nothing sexy to me about sticking my penis in a hole for some unknown man to suck. I have never understood the fantasy. I would rather have a full love making session in the comfort of my own home with someone I want to have sex with.

    That's always been my own attitude. And arriving on the gay scene fairly recently, only 15 years ago in the gay-friendly city of Seattle, I wasn't dependent upon glory holes like previous gay generations may have been. Although there was a place in Seattle back then called "Basic Plumbing" that featured glory holes, so I could have tried it.

    Of course this isn't entirely about sticking your own dick through a hole, but also about the guys who like to do the sucking on the other side of the partition. And I certainly like to give oral, but not seeing the guy who's attached to the dick just doesn't appeal to me.

    If I'm going to suck off a stranger, or get a BJ myself, one of my favorite ways is nude in a not-too-hot steamroom in a gay bathhouse, often with other guys jerking off or also getting blown around me. I can work my hands across his slippery bare ass while my face is buried in his crotch, and play with his loose balls hanging low from the heat, overall a much richer experience than merely servicing a disembodied cock while facing a blank wall. And I presume the view from the other side is even less stimulating.

    But still, some guys must like the experience, and you'll see it featured in porn vids, so I wonder what the attraction is. I ought to just try it and see, though I'm monogamous now and not sure my partner would agree to being my test subject for this experiment. I'll have to visit an adult store and see if they have any glory hole home kits for sale. icon_wink.gif

    You got one of those in your jpg bag of tricks, lilTanker?
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    Jan 17, 2010 5:12 PM GMT
    I remember in my younger days seeing these holes in different places and had no clue as to why they were there, thinking someone must like watching people poop….lol
    I was so naive.
    Personally I don’t get the attraction either, but I have notice there is always someone on craigs list asking where one is; so they must still be popular, either that or it someone from law enforcement looking to shut one down.
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    Jan 17, 2010 5:15 PM GMT
    I don't get the appeal at all.
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    Jan 17, 2010 6:18 PM GMT
    i always found them creepy and depressing.
    like a bad TIM video, ( well, all TIM vids are bad).

    a dick looks good attached to the body it belongs to, otherwise , on its own, it looks rather sad.
    as discussed also in another thread recently.
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    Jan 17, 2010 6:48 PM GMT
    timboice77 saidThere is nothing sexy to me about sticking my penis in a hole for some unknown man to suck. I have never understood the fantasy. I would rather have a full love making session in the comfort of my own home with someone I want to have sex with.


    Well said.
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    Jan 17, 2010 6:51 PM GMT
    I'm just wondering... if the days of the glory hole are over... how could we repurpose the ones still out there?

    Turn the toilets into confessionals?
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    Jan 17, 2010 7:09 PM GMT
    timboice77 saidThere is nothing sexy to me about sticking my penis in a hole for some unknown man to suck. I have never understood the fantasy. I would rather have a full love making session in the comfort of my own home with someone I want to have sex with.


    agreed. I mean, 4-play and touching is FUN and SEXY. Glory holes bring no such thing... and really really... dirrty. I'll feel like dirt trash hooked up slut.

    abysmale saidHow do you all distinguish between a gloryhole and the similar (if only in level of familiarity) incidence of having sex with someone you just recently met and are not serious with? If it's all just sex with no strings attached, I don't understand the contempt that some of you are displaying for the gloryhole phenomenon.


    there can be hot passion with some random you have.

    there is no passion from a glory hole....

    you can make-out, touch, get intertwined.

    No such thing when doing glory hole


    HUGE difference.
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    Jan 17, 2010 7:23 PM GMT
    I recently saw an ad on my local Craigslist offering GH services and with a picture of a standard "doggie door". Guess you have to lay sideways?????

    Everyone has their "turn-ons" but this just creeps me out.
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    Jan 17, 2010 7:24 PM GMT
    abysmale saidHow do you all distinguish between a gloryhole and the similar (if only in level of familiarity) incidence of having sex with someone you just recently met and are not serious with? If it's all just sex with no strings attached, I don't understand the contempt that some of you are displaying for the gloryhole phenomenon.

    We're discussing a physical METHOD of having sex, which is not the same as discussing the CASUALNESS of the sexual encounter. I can also have casual sex with tricks in my comfy bed at home (and indeed frequently did at one point), and I can also have sex with my partner in a car as if I'm doing a bar trick (and I've done that, too). And I'll bet there are partners & BFs who've done it together via glory holes, just cause they wanted to.

    I did say that I view glory holes as a holdover from early times when gay life was a lot different, much more secretive & hidden, fewer sexual options available to us. But I don't see why you think criticizing a sleazy method equates to criticizing all tricking.
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    Jan 17, 2010 7:34 PM GMT
    drypin saidI'm just wondering... if the days of the glory hole are over... how could we repurpose the ones still out there?

    Turn the toilets into confessionals?

    A great way to slip a tip to the guy in the next stall when he does a particularly entertaining tap dance routine while seated, ala Senator Larry "Widestance" Craig.

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    Jan 17, 2010 7:45 PM GMT
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    Jan 17, 2010 8:13 PM GMT
    Are glory holes still used?

    Check out Craigslist of Cruisingforsex.com and you will see that, yes, people use them regardless of generation.

    Why they find them hot I couldn't say. It is like any other kink: either you have it or you don't get it.
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    Jan 17, 2010 8:27 PM GMT
    CONCLUSIONS from Bapst, Don (2001) 'Glory Holes and the Men who use Them', Journal of Homosexuality, 41: 1, 89 — 102

    Short of taking a systematic survey containing standardized questions, it
    would be impossible to generalize why glory holes appeal to the majority of
    men who use them. And were such a survey to be carried out, it would be
    unrealistic to think that those willing to participate in answering specific
    questions (even if the survey were conducted anonymously) were representative of the entire group of men using them. Nevertheless, by speaking to men who are willing to be candid about their experiences with glory holes, some common threads become apparent.

    Many of the men I spoke with who use glory holes (whether actively or
    passively, whether out of excitement or routine) associate them with early
    sexual experiences. Many return to glory holes to relive the thrill of early
    sexual experiences. Some return because glory holes are simply synonymous with sex as they know it.

    Every man interviewed said something about the ‘‘thrill of the unknown’’
    being a pleasurable and/or attractive factor of glory holes. Total anonymity
    was also cited as an attraction, though most men cited an increased comfort
    within their public role as a homosexual as a reason for their decreasing lack
    of interest in completely anonymous, ‘‘faceless’’ sex. Those men who had
    been ‘‘out’’ since a much earlier age and for whom glory holes were a recent
    discovery, said that glory hole sex represented a secondary or tertiary sexual outlet and was engaged in predominantly for experimentation. All informants seemed to enjoy the ‘‘permission’’ that was afforded to them by an almost totally anonymous experience to fully express an otherwise ‘‘taboo’’ aspect of their sexuality. For some, homosexual sex itself had been taboo and was permissible only through the disguise of a partition. For others, taboos such as ‘‘phallus worship’’ or exhibitionism were not accepted within homosexual acts between mutually identifiable partners and could be comfortably explored only within the context of the glory hole setting.

    Another common thread among informants’ testimonies involved the perception of their bodies. Some felt that other men desired exclusively genital/oral interaction, so they were prepared to provide this type of interaction even if they preferred doing ‘‘more.’’ Some felt that they could ‘‘get’’ someone whom they wouldn’t otherwise be able to ‘‘possess’’ sexually, be he a heterosexual man or simply an attractive man with an attractive penis. For some men, becoming more comfortable with being homosexual over the course of their lives meant they lost interest in ‘‘possessing’’ others sexually under less than optimal conditions. Still other men were excited by glory holes because it allowed them to temporarily escape from the role they played in society, even if that role was that of an attractive out man in gay society. For at least one man, glory holes offered an opportunity to hide his attractiveness so that sex became centered around the act itself and not around associations made with his appearance.

    There seemed to be little agreement over what constituted a successful
    glory hole encounter. Some enjoyed the purely physical, sensory aspect of the experience while for others it involved a great deal of fantasy and role-playing. Among those who cited fantasy and gender roles, there was little agreement about roles that one must take in order to participate in the glory hole ‘‘action.’’ For some, being active meant being subordinate. For others, sucking a man’s penis was merely an expected, perfunctory part of the interaction. For some, inserting their penises into glory holes gave a feeling of masculine power. For others, it was a completely physical, emotionally neutral action. Most men seemed to alternate between activities during the course of a glory hole session, many alternating between active and passive participant whether out of desire to do so or out of perceived expectations from other participants.

    There was certainly a complex system of communication involving the
    gestures and reactions of participants as well as their utilization of the limited ‘‘appliances’’ and ‘‘supplies’’ of the glory hole establishments (i.e., the holes themselves, the doors to cubicles, dark vs. light areas of clubs, condoms, lubricants, etc.).

    Glory holes are relatively basic objects. Yet upon conversing with the men
    who use these objects, it becomes apparent that ‘‘glory hole sex’’ is no less
    complicated than sex without partitions. There is a range of motivations and
    experiences associated with glory hole sex as large as the number of people
    who use them.
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    Jan 17, 2010 8:50 PM GMT
    I think its gross.
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    Jan 17, 2010 8:57 PM GMT
    dustin_K_tx saidI remember in my younger days seeing these holes in different places and had no clue as to why they were there, thinking someone must like watching people poop….lol
    I was so naive.

    Sounds like me. When I was in jr high school I could not figure out why in world every guy who left his phone number in a bathroom stall was named BJ!
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    Jan 17, 2010 9:05 PM GMT
    If we all went and sat by the Yarra River, by a toilet block, we would see a number of cars pull up and men going in and out, the freaky thing is, the number of the cars that have baby couples, or baby seats in them; on their way home from work, or on a lunch break, also sadly many of these men are in such a rush to get their rocks off, they don't use condoms either.

    Not sure about in America, but public toilets down here still hope, that's why I refuse to use them, and if I'm working with children always go in and make sure nothing is happening in them before I let the kids in.

    Sadly many people have sight, yet only see what they won't, or see nothing wrong at all.
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    Jan 17, 2010 9:09 PM GMT
    timboice77 saidThere is nothing sexy to me about sticking my penis in a hole for some unknown man to suck. I have never understood the fantasy. I would rather have a full love making session in the comfort of my own home with someone I want to have sex with.


    But then you may not have a wife at home waiting for you either, asking why did it take you so long to get home. he may be just out for a quick fix relief.
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    Jan 17, 2010 9:26 PM GMT
    xassantex saida dick looks good attached to the body it belongs to, otherwise , on its own, it looks rather sad.
    as discussed also in another thread recently.


    Well, I suppose this is why they've simply removed the doors on some stalls in the States: so you can see the whole body of the guy you're sucking off.
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    Jan 17, 2010 9:47 PM GMT
    No experience with them and don't care have any in the future either because I'd like to live awhile longer yet. icon_smile.gif
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    Jan 17, 2010 10:48 PM GMT
    Never cared about them before and am sure won't be caring about them in future.
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    Jan 17, 2010 11:02 PM GMT
    Red Vespa,

    You and I older folk probably remember those adult bookstore with 25 cents peep show. They always have a glory hole between booth. Those were the days when I use to patronize adult bookstore spending my hard earned minimun wages for some action . And yes, I use to give and receive bj, thru those hole.

    Back during my university days in Michigan there a basement toilet where there glory hole on the wall and I use to hang around it all the times. It really nasty...all kind of obsene drawing, phone number and message for gay sex.


    All this stuff sound gross to me now, but those days ts was the only sexual avenue we have. I meet most of my earlier lover from this sort of encounter. Public toilet and adult bookstore. Been there , done that.