Who do you believe: Roger Clemens or Brian McNamee??

  • irishkcguy

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    Jan 10, 2008 12:21 AM GMT
    With Clemens filing a defamation suit against McNamee it will have to be the word of one man against another. How do you know who is telling the truth? If McNamee is telling the truth about Andy Pettitte (and Pettitte verifies McNamee did inject him with HGH twice), why would McNamee make up a story about Clemens?
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    Jan 10, 2008 12:34 AM GMT
    irishkcguy saidWith Clemens filing a defamation suit against McNamee it will have to be the word of one man against another. How do you know who is telling the truth? If McNamee is telling the truth about Andy Pettitte (and Pettitte verifies McNamee did inject him with HGH twice), why would McNamee make up a story about Clemens?


    Well, you have someone who admits he broke the law. Now he is exposing his clients. And there's this:

    [url]http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ny-spmac095531036jan09,0,139122.story[/url]



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    Jan 10, 2008 1:47 AM GMT
    Clemens, of course.

    Let's go, Astros. :clap....:

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    Jan 10, 2008 5:33 AM GMT
    Who cares? It's baseball. This is what they do for a living. Hormonal manipulation has been going for the better part of 40 years. I'm sick of hearing about it.

    Baseball is about as exciting as watching grass grow in the dessert. If being able to hit it out of the park helps the game, then, so be it. Enough already.

    The folks sitting on their couches, drinking beer, smoking cigs, eating potato chips and French onion dip, while hammering down a large pizza,.....are about as far removed from sports reality as you can get.

    They've wasted so much energy on something that shouldn't matter.

    Nobody is going to watch the WWF if the guys are fat and small, nor are they interested in baseball played by a bunch of pusses. They want guys who can hit it out of the park.
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    Jan 10, 2008 2:50 PM GMT
    I couldn't agree with chuckystud more. Enough already on this! The only reason people like baseball is for the home runs. Same is trust for wrecks in NASCR and fights in hocky! The rest of the time baseball is about as interesting as watching grass grow or golf!
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    Jan 10, 2008 2:57 PM GMT
    I am gonna disagree. When athletes are role models for thousands of young people it's important for them to be honest. If the use performance enhancing drugs, fans have a right to know. It wouldn't be such a big deal if they were all just honest, but when there is so much doubt, it encourages kids to try illegal enhancers, and it obscures the real risks/benefits. Right now we have a witch hunt mentality, and the truth is not being found.
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    Jan 14, 2008 4:34 AM GMT
    I believe that sport is a little bit more serious of a tradition of excellence than some here might be giving it and I would be worried about prejudging any athlete considering we have a tendency to believe that our heroes are more likely to be horrible people than think they are honestly being defamed but I can't really call this one. I can see where you'd think that Roger would want to reimagine his legacy and might resort to something like PED but its really hard to call until this all boils over.
  • jc_online

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    Feb 14, 2008 5:25 PM GMT
    I watched part of the testimony, and I still don't know who's lying. I also don't know why Congress is involved - don't they have a country to run?
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    Feb 15, 2008 6:28 AM GMT
    I believe Clemens is lying and thinks that he can get away with it. His closest friends and wife all used HGH from the source that he brought in to the circle and he knows "nothing about HGH"???

    The bigger issue is do I care. Not really.
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    Feb 15, 2008 7:02 AM GMT
    To me this is about as important as congressional hearings on Janet Jackson's Boobies at the superbowl. I would just like to tell our politicians to get back to work (yeah like they ever did any anyway). Now I realize the question more about who is lying .. but I am so turned off by celebrity news now I can't even think about it. Maybe Clemens was injected in his sleep by his manager like Britney was.
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    Feb 15, 2008 9:01 AM GMT
    Clemens is lying.
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    Feb 18, 2008 4:11 AM GMT
    Clemens had some of Bill Clinton's lawyers from the Ken Star Lewinski-gate shenanigans. Which makes me think he HAS to be lying.
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    Feb 18, 2008 4:30 AM GMT
    I find it mind-boggling that, according to Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, there isn't time to conduct impeachment hearings on Cheney & Bush. But there's plenty of time for blowhards to posture at hearings about the terrible crime of injecting testosterone in your own ass.

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    Feb 25, 2008 7:31 PM GMT
    What's repulsive is that Congress has nothing better to do than go after the pureness of "America's game", as they describe it, all while they are fucking call girls / guys, being overweight, smoking, and drinking, and taking bribes under the table. It's nauseating..their hypocrisy. The irony is that they are ALL lying sacks of shit, from The Congressmen to Clemens. Of course, Clemens juiced, along with everyone else in college, and pro sports. It is what it is. I've been in it, or next to it, for over three decades. When they started testing in the NCAA all the boys went to GH. Just how it is. Clemens is the biggest sack of shit, of all, because he sits there and LIES, and LIES, and LIES, while most folks around him (the witnesses) have started fessing up to reality. Of course, Clemens won't get a purgery charge because he's one of Bush's cronies. Juice is everywhere. All you have to do is open your eyes at a gym, when reading a magazine, etc. Prohibition did not work with booze, nor tobacco; it doesn't work with pot, and it's not going to work with naturally occurring hormones. The demand is to high. Spending money on these witchhunts where some guy with millions lies through his teeth to Congress is such a waste. No wonder Americans just shake their heads. It's all disgusting beyond belief. Clemens sends the worst lesson of all: being a liar pays. While Congress shouldn't be asking the question to begin with, Clemens shouldn't be such a low life and should show some virtue and integrity, if he's some role model. In my book, lying to Congress is a much worse example than taking some testosterone or GH. Clemens should be thrown out of the game for deceit.

    The ultimate irony: when the juiced up swat team goes to haul the juiced up Clemens away to the jail to be under the supervision of the juiced up jail guard, so that the bribed Congress can make an example of of him by lying about the truth.
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    Feb 25, 2008 8:16 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidSpending money on these witchhunts where some guy with millions lies through his teeth to Congress is such a waste.


    Our government's three branches are in the business of securing money and influence for the "right" people. The steroid story has legs: it sells a lot of newspapers and gets good ratings for TV and radio news--all of which helps the media sell advertising for more money. And because it has legs, it also is a good platform for Congress to demonstrate power and thus influence. Legislators need to demonstrate that influence to get the donations and make the connections for yet more influence.

    Okay, I'm not being very eloquent here, I can see that. I guess I'm trying to say that steroids are about politcal power and financial gain primarily and about sport secondarily. Just like immigration, gay marriage, Iraq, and other issues are about power and money more than anything else.

    Hey, I'm cynical. I think the American Revolution was more about financial gain for colonial businessmen than about democratic principles.
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    Feb 25, 2008 8:25 PM GMT
    Who cares? Isn't there a war going on, why is congress even involved in this?
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    Feb 27, 2008 3:16 AM GMT
    Well it does have some importance given kids look up to these guys like Clemens and are more apt to take HGH , steroids etc... if they see top professional athletes getting ahead by doing them . It makes it seem OK and necessary, so for the health of future Americans it does have some relevance. That being said I do agree there are higher priorities.