The Best Republican (?)

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    Jan 10, 2008 1:08 AM GMT
    I'm rooting for McCain to get the Republican nomination. . . . Just in case they end up winning again.

    McCain on same-sex marriage from CNN

    John McCain
    Supports definition of marriage as a union between a man and a woman, but opposes a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. Says individual states should decide the issue. Says a federal marriage ban might be appropriate if courts overturned state marriage laws. Supports legal benefits for same-sex partners.


    http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.samesexmarriage.html
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    Jan 10, 2008 1:11 AM GMT
    McCain or Guiliani are not too bad, at least compared to the last 3 republican presidents re. gay rights (Reagan, the two Bushes).
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    Jan 10, 2008 2:03 AM GMT
    There is no best candidate for either side.

    It depends which issues you place as a priority.
  • irishboxers

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    Jan 10, 2008 2:20 AM GMT
    I agree with Trance that there is no "best" candidate.

    As far as McCain's position on same sex couples, he's in favor of legal rights? Whoopdy freakin' do. He's a slightly-but-not-really-liberal Republican. Yay.

    The whole rest of his position, decoded, is "I don't like gays enough to stand up for them, but I can dodge the issue by pointing at the Constitution and freedom of expression. States can take a stand because I don't want to, but if they don't then I don't oppose a ban. If I give you legal rights then maybe y'all will shut up."

    Just my opinion. Still nowhere close to rooting for him.
  • byronicheros

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    Jan 10, 2008 3:02 AM GMT
    ron paul all the way.
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    Jan 10, 2008 4:31 AM GMT
    Giuliani/ McCain
  • Deano963

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    Jan 10, 2008 4:33 AM GMT
    "Best" is such a strong word when referring to the collection of ass-clowns, warmongers, 9/11 whores (coughGiulianicough), Bush apologists and bigots that make up the republican presidential primary field.

    Maybe you should say "least reprehensible" instead?



    lol @ Ron Paul - It still amazes me that people think this loon is beter than the other republicans b/c he opposes the Iraq war. People who like him are so ignorant of his record/asinine political philosophy.

    Go read the astoundingly racist comments Ron Paul wrote in the Ron Paul Political Report and then come back and tell me you still think he is the best republican. I realize most, is not all, of the other republican candidates are most likely racists as well so Paul may still win by default, but go read up on Ron Paul's craziness anyways.
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    Jan 10, 2008 4:34 AM GMT
    I don't think RP can pull it out anymore after New Hampshire. McCain would be the only one I can begin to think of possibly maybe supporting. Guiliani's rhetoric disgusts me.
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    Jan 10, 2008 4:36 AM GMT
    The dead one.
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    Jan 10, 2008 5:05 AM GMT
    I take it you'll be offering last rights Aero?
  • Starboard

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    Jan 10, 2008 5:58 AM GMT
    Show a little sympathy, boys...the Republicans are terribly conflicted:

    McCain: Moderate, war hero (but not a hawk in the Cheney/Rumsfeld tradition), won't throw the Mexicans out of the country, maverick - NOT TO BE TRUSTED

    Giuliani: Social moderate, hawk, pro-choice but will compensate for killing babies by appointing pro-life judges to the Supreme Court -- NOT TO BE TRUSTED

    Romney: Mormon, champion of corporate America, willing and able to buy the election, accused of high crimes against conservative interests as the Republican governor of one of the most liberal states in the union -- NOT TO BE TRUSTED

    Huckabee: Former evangelical preacher competing with Edwards as a champion for those that capitalism has left behind...really, he's the "fire and brimstone" version of Edwards -- NOT TO BE TRUSTED
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    Jan 10, 2008 6:00 AM GMT
    irishboxers saidI agree with Trance that there is no "best" candidate.

    As far as McCain's position on same sex couples, he's in favor of legal rights? Whoopdy freakin' do. He's a slightly-but-not-really-liberal Republican. Yay.

    The whole rest of his position, decoded, is "I don't like gays enough to stand up for them, but I can dodge the issue by pointing at the Constitution and freedom of expression. States can take a stand because I don't want to, but if they don't then I don't oppose a ban. If I give you legal rights then maybe y'all will shut up."

    Just my opinion. Still nowhere close to rooting for him.




    I'm not rooting for McCain to become president, just to win the nomination. He seems to be the lesser of 7 evils.

    At least McCain has articulated some sort of support versus the other Republican candidates who oppose any type of recognition for legitimate families that happen to involve same-sex couples. "Legal benefits" are all we can hope for out of the leading democrat candidates as well based on what they have articulated so far.
  • Starboard

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    Jan 10, 2008 6:08 AM GMT
    McCain would be the most challenging candidate in the general election. He would take a lot of independents away from a candidate like Obama. And it would be very hard for Obama to stand next to McCain in a debate and win an argument about Iraq -- no matter how you feel about Iraq, Barack will look like a 12-year old boy standing next to McCain -- as a veteran, McCain brings a unique credibility to the war debate that trumps his Republican running mates as well as the Democrats...
  • USMCjock

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    Jan 10, 2008 7:10 AM GMT
    Larry Craig? Did you ever see the T-Shirt "I was Text Messaged by Mark Foley"?? He could be VP for Craig!
  • EricLA

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    Jan 10, 2008 7:37 AM GMT
    As a former Republican, I just don't see that there is one. Certainly not running for President. I wish there were far more moderates running the party and that more rejected the social conservatives.
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    Jan 10, 2008 10:03 AM GMT
    The Best Republican is the one that gets "it" handed to him in the election. =)
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    Jan 10, 2008 10:27 AM GMT
    I'm not sure that McCain's appeal to independent voters is as strong now as it was in 2000. The man has spent seven years kissing ass--Bush's ass, fundamentalist ass, etc. These things have not gone under the radar, either--they have been extensively reported in the press and will make lovely attack ads later in the year.

    The McCain of 2000 might be a credible threat, but this older, creepier version is very beatable.
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    Jan 10, 2008 10:55 AM GMT
    jprichva saidThe McCain of 2000 might be a credible threat, but this older, creepier version is very beatable.


    That's a great comment jprichva.
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    Jan 10, 2008 12:27 PM GMT
    Anyone who lived through Giuliani's so-called "quality of life" initiatives in New York will remember that he is a complete loon. He covers it up better than he once did and managed to humanize himself with an extramarital affair (hard to see how that worked for him and doesn't seem to work for anyone else - but it did). Then the guy gets beatified for doing what any decently competent mayor would do when terrorist flew 757's into the World Trade Center.

    The thing to remember is that this is still the same guy who was putting up street crossing barricades in Manhattan and enforcing whatever other looney ordinance met with his view of public order.

    My thought is that if you want to see a Democratic Presidency (and I do) then I would hope Giuliani would win the nomination, as he is the most likely to screw up the general election. He just cannot keep it together that long.

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    Jan 10, 2008 12:41 PM GMT
    Sorry, no real choice from either political party.

    Will vote but don't know until I actually punch the chad/pull the lever/fill in the dot.

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    Jan 10, 2008 1:12 PM GMT
    My favorite republican is one that doesn't vote
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    Jan 10, 2008 4:05 PM GMT
    I wish social conservatism were a non-issue. That would really make this an issue related election rather than who is going to hell or not.
  • jarhead5536

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    Jan 10, 2008 4:07 PM GMT
    They are all awful, but if we had to lose, for the good of the country I would want McCain. For me personally, it would be Giuliani - he's probably the best on gay rights...

    Go Hillary!
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    Jan 10, 2008 4:07 PM GMT
    npdxpr

    I'm with you on that. McCain would be my choice I voted Rep. But I'm sceptical all state politicians and their claims on the road to white house. I'm voting for Hilary because she's a woman, and for her experience. I don't care if she's anti-war, pro-gay, or pro-Bush. All I know is that all politicians are the same, and their promises are meant to be more like tidbits of joy to coherse American to give them a Popular Vote. From I know about American History is that either good Presidents do what they're going to say and get assassinated, defamed in some impeachment scandal, or sit on their hands and distract us with faux troubles across the world in order meet their own agendas. So, I really don't trust anything they say on television. Heresay never got this country very far passed a feeling of slight relief from acknowledging there are real issues out there in the world that need to be taken care of.
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    Jan 10, 2008 4:10 PM GMT
    What exactly is her experience.