Catholic Church Sees Avatar as Competition

  • GQjock

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    Jan 18, 2010 11:38 AM GMT
    Citing a risk of "Nature Worship" the Catholics
    who brought you such lovely items like Priestly pedophilia
    and burning innocent people at the stake
    are now telling us what Movies we should watch icon_rolleyes.gif

    Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi said that while the movie reviews are just that — film criticism, not theological pronouncements — they do reflect Pope Benedict XVI's views on the dangers of turning nature into a "new divinity."
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    Jan 18, 2010 1:11 PM GMT
    Uncomfortable memories perhaps? The Catholic Church was a big driving force behind the colonization and slaughter of a lot of us. Back when they were still unsure whether we had souls or whether we were just talking monkeys living amongst the trees.
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    Jan 18, 2010 1:17 PM GMT
    I'm so sick of these blatantly rude and disrespectful posts about religious institutions.
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    Jan 18, 2010 1:23 PM GMT
    They were. If the Holy See had not seen us fit to contain souls, we'd all probably be wiped out by now. Wasn't that the justification for African slavery as well?

    Besides, I'm sick of the Vatican's rude and disrespectful high and mightiness against nature religions (as much as I don't actually adhere to any of them). And that was what Vatican's objections was about originally anyway.







    Oh alright, alright. Leave them alone to tear their throats out. Gotcha.
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    Jan 18, 2010 1:44 PM GMT
    I just mean that regardless whatever disagreements or grievances we may have against any religious institution, this just being one example, discussions should be conducted with the same dignity and respect we give to other topics. There's absolutely no reason to bash on anyone or anything.
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    Jan 18, 2010 3:00 PM GMT
    I surely agree, this topic merits the same dignity and respect as any other on RJ.


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    Jan 18, 2010 3:06 PM GMT
    Way I see it is that if God is everything, then He's nature too... why not worship it? And if God indeed made nature, wouldn't He like it when we worship what He created?

    The Vatican is so weird...
  • rdberg1957

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    Jan 18, 2010 3:22 PM GMT
    There's some biblical quote from the New Testament about worshipping the Creation rather than the Creator. I don't have a dog in this fight. Let the Catholic church rail and make themselves less relevant to the world as it exists. The current Pope is a throwback. What does it mean to respect other religions? It's a very difficult line to draw. Does it mean you that you give up free speech so that the religious of various institutions are free to speak unopposed? Faith is much too important a matter to be left to the religious.
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    Jan 18, 2010 3:25 PM GMT
    HotToddy saidI just mean that regardless whatever disagreements or grievances we may have against any religious institution, this just being one example, discussions should be conducted with the same dignity and respect we give to other topics. There's absolutely no reason to bash on anyone or anything.


    Todd... for real? This is *Real**Jock*. Dignity and respect packed off and flew to the European Union like 5 years ago.

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    Jan 18, 2010 3:26 PM GMT
    Catholicism is a cult, and it destroys lives.
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    Jan 18, 2010 3:37 PM GMT
    SAHEM62896 saidWay I see it is that if God is everything, then He's nature too... why not worship it? And if God indeed made nature, wouldn't He like it when we worship what He created?

    The Vatican is so weird...


    No, God does not like it when we worship his creation, rather than him as the Creator. This is called idolatry.

    Romans 1:18-25 (New International Version)

    God's Wrath Against Mankind
    18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
    21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

    24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.


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    Jan 18, 2010 3:39 PM GMT
    Frankly, I am getting a little tired of worshipping a man that does not have the balls to come down to his "creation" and have a talk, or a beer.
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    Jan 18, 2010 3:54 PM GMT
    TigerTim said
    HotToddy saidI just mean that regardless whatever disagreements or grievances we may have against any religious institution, this just being one example, discussions should be conducted with the same dignity and respect we give to other topics. There's absolutely no reason to bash on anyone or anything.


    Todd... for real? This is *Real**Jock*. Dignity and respect packed off and flew to the European Union like 5 years ago.

    Nice tattoo :-)


    The Roman Catholic Church is full of errors, but you still can be respectful to the people who are part of the Roman Catholic Church. Rail on the false teachings if you want, but don't rail on the people. Ideas, beliefs, and opinions can be railed on if you disagree with them, but don't rail on the people who have those ideas, beliefs, or opinions.

    This is what some guys on RJ have never learned how to do, Express your disagreement to the belief, opinion or idea, but be respectful of the person who has that belief, opinion or idea that you disagree with. Railing on the person himself serves no useful purpose at all and, if you hope to change his beliefs, ideas and opinions to your beliefs, ideas, and opinions, you certainly aren't going to be able to do it by railing on him. He will tune you out , if you rail on him, and then you have lost any opportunity to convince or change him to your beliefs, ideas, or opinions. There's a quote from the Bible that says, "Speak the truth IN LOVE.
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    Jan 18, 2010 3:57 PM GMT
    I don't blame them...

    It's not like there offering church services in 3D icon_twisted.gif
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    Jan 18, 2010 4:00 PM GMT
    wrestlervic saidFrankly, I am getting a little tired of worshipping a man that does not have the balls to come down to his "creation" and have a talk, or a beer.


    What do you mean he does not have the balls to come down to his creation and have a talk or a beer? Are you so forgetful? He did that already 2,000 years ago and we celebrate it every Christmas. What planet did you come from that you don't know about him coming here?
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    Jan 18, 2010 4:36 PM GMT
    HotToddy said discussions should be conducted with the same dignity and respect we give to other topics. There's absolutely no reason to bash on anyone or anything.

    No topic on internet forums is ever dealt with respect. Climb down your tree of optimism.
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    Jan 18, 2010 4:38 PM GMT
    finally saw it in imax on saturday

    as a christian, have to say that it was brilliant. and i saw no need to go beyond the entertainment value of the story to ascribe any deeper meaning.

    thoroughly enjoyed it.
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    Jan 18, 2010 4:45 PM GMT
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    SAHEM62896 saidWay I see it is that if God is everything, then He's nature too... why not worship it? And if God indeed made nature, wouldn't He like it when we worship what He created?

    The Vatican is so weird...


    No, God does not like it when we worship his creation, rather than him as the Creator. This is called idolatry.

    Romans 1:18-25 (New International Version)

    God's Wrath Against Mankind
    18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
    21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

    24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.



    Hey, I am just speaking for myself and what I personally believe. And if I am an idolator in the eyes of the Catholic church, so be it.

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    Jan 18, 2010 4:46 PM GMT
    It is just shocking that the Church would come out and say something. It actually is a film about a centered deity who brings life to a world full of artificiality. One would think they would hop on it and commend the story as a reinforcement of their beliefs. But no, like everything, it is a threat.

    If there is a God, an all-powerful, loving and present God then he is greatly disappointed in this "church".
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    Jan 18, 2010 4:56 PM GMT
    G_Force, since your so good at looking up scripture, can you refresh us on the verses that condemn homosexual behavior?
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    Jan 18, 2010 5:20 PM GMT
    SantosMadrid saidG_Force, since your so good at looking up scripture, can you refresh us on the verses that condemn homosexual behavior?

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10
    Genesis 19
    Leviticus 18:22
    Leviticus 20:13
    Romans 1:26-27


    Notice how Jesus never said anything about gays. Furthermore, notice that the early Christian Church married same-sex couples and it wasn't until the late 14th century that we have the concept of marriage in the Catholic faith as we do today.
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    Jan 18, 2010 5:40 PM GMT
    Sedative saidUncomfortable memories perhaps? The Catholic Church was a big driving force behind the colonization and slaughter of a lot of us. Back when they were still unsure whether we had souls or whether we were just talking monkeys living amongst the trees.

    You are of course correct, and reading that from someone who can speak in the first person on this matter was extremely moving for me, coming as I do from Christian European heritage, whose distant ancestors were doing this to you. Indeed, it was my Dutch forebears who wrangled Manhattan Island away from the native tribes there.

    It was a Pope, after all, Alexander VI, who proposed and blessed the Treaty of Tordesillas that created the Line of Demarcation, dividing the New World between Spain and Portugal in 1494. The similar Treaty of Zaragoza (Saragossa) did the same thing to your side of the globe in 1529, dear Sedative.

    What's amazing to many modern minds is the presumption inherent in such actions, that the world "belonged" to the Europeans, and subject to Roman Catholic beliefs, that it was all theirs for the taking. As members of the True Religion, and being that there was only One True God for all of humanity, it followed that the Faithful were duty-bound to impose their religion upon the whole world, and all people obliged to accept it or perish.

    A notion we see even today, whether in the Middle East, or in Middle America. So that we see mistakenly ourselves as modern because our technology takes breathtaking leaps forward, but our cultural values & beliefs lag far behind. We are a species in conflict with itself, smarter than it knows how to manage.
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    Jan 18, 2010 5:42 PM GMT
    I thought the scripture said said something like "No man shall lie with another man." I too believe that men should not lie to each other.

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    Jan 18, 2010 5:52 PM GMT
    wrestlervic saidI thought the scripture said said something like "No man shall lie with another man." I too believe that men should not lie to each other.

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    What if we remain vertical during gay sex, and avoid the horizontal?

    Seriously, the literal reliance upon ancient scripture has been debated ad nauseam. I think the best arguments that summarize the foolishness of literal Biblical interpretation are the ones that list the many mandates we ignore in the modern world: killing naughty daughters, having slaves, death for eating the wrong foods, etc.

    Either the Bible is literal law, or it's allegorical. You can't cherry-pick what you will strictly enforce, and what you will not. Or else that makes you God's editor, and I always thought an editor was superior to an author.
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    Jan 18, 2010 6:03 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidWhat if we remain vertical during gay sex, and avoid the horizontal?

    I just wrote a paper for my Proust seminar that was about "horizontal relations" between men. According to Proust, vertical sex is just so passé.