Gay to Straight?

  • trevchaser

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    Jan 18, 2010 8:10 PM GMT
    I was just talking to a troubled individual who thinks there are places that can make you love women sexually from loving men in the same way. Is there an actual practice that's successful in that?

    I hope that if it doesn't work out he can be happy for who he is and embrace it. But it just made me curious if such a 'cure' is in existence?

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    Jan 18, 2010 8:36 PM GMT
    they're just gonna take his money
  • Webster666

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    Jan 18, 2010 8:45 PM GMT
    Oh, lord...

    Trevchaser, when's the last time you got hungry for twat ?
    There's your answer.
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    Jan 18, 2010 8:50 PM GMT
    Official statement from the American Psychiatric Association:

    For over three decades the consensus of the mental health community has been that homosexuality is not an illness and therefore not in need of a cure. The APA’s concern about the position’s espoused by NARTH and so-called convers ion therapy is that they are not supported by the science. There is simply no sufficient ly scient ifically sound evidence that sexual orientation can be changed. Our further concern is that the positions espoused by NARTH and Focus on the Family create an environment in which prejudice and discriminat ion can flourish.

    Official statement from the American Pschological Assocation:

    Homosexuality is not a mental disorder and the APA opposes all portrayals of lesbian, gay and bisexual people as mentally ill and in need of treatment due to their sexual orientation;

    Official statement from the American Medical Association:

    That the American Medical Association oppose any psychiatric treatment, such as "reparative" or "conversion" therapy which is based upon the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based upon the a priori assumption that the patient should change his/her homosexual orientation.

  • trevchaser

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    Jan 18, 2010 8:52 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidOh, lord...

    Trevchaser, when's the last time you got hungry for twat ?
    There's your answer.


    Hahaha, I like guys, guys only thank you! icon_twisted.gif
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    Jan 18, 2010 8:55 PM GMT
    I have no doubt that there are many people in the gray area of bisexuality that go back and forth between men and women that change in their desires (or suppress them). But I also believe there are places where they can make you think anything, just ask Patty Hearst

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    Jan 18, 2010 9:12 PM GMT
    I personally know two people who went thru "EXODUS" and are now living openly gay...again.

    The best info on the subject is from Wayne Besen (a great writer and a hottie)
    http://www.amazon.com/Anything-but-Straight-Unmasking-Scandals/dp/1560234466/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1263849086&sr=8-1
  • Rowing_Ant

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    Jan 18, 2010 9:19 PM GMT
    Considering that sexuality is fluid and not fixed, I think its possible for someone's sexuality to change over time, so someone who wants to have sex with a woman can change to want to have sex with a man, and back again.

    I also think the labels gay, straight, bi, whatever, are totally un helpful.

    The problem is with sexuality, is that people see it very much as two fixed almost polar opposites. This is unhelpful and terribly political.
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    Jan 18, 2010 10:19 PM GMT
    Rowing_Ant saidConsidering that sexuality is fluid and not fixed, I think its possible for someone's sexuality to change over time, so someone who wants to have sex with a woman can change to want to have sex with a man, and back again.

    I also think the labels gay, straight, bi, whatever, are totally un helpful.

    The problem is with sexuality, is that people see it very much as two fixed almost polar opposites. This is unhelpful and terribly political.


    I view sexuality as more of a spectrum... rather than being 'set in stone' or fluid.

    Reparitive Therapy or Conversion Therapy.

    The religious right claims it to be true... but it has yet to be proven, supported, or endorsed by any main stream (and secular) medical/scientific/sociolgoical/psychological organization.
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    Jan 18, 2010 10:22 PM GMT
    trevchaser saidI hope that if it doesn't work out he can be happy for who he is and embrace it. But it just made me curious if such a 'cure' is in existence?


    The problem is, while people may appear to be happy, they hide their true feelings out of fear or guilt--even from themselves.

    I suppose this is true for everyone though.
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    Jan 18, 2010 10:27 PM GMT
    For my next trick, I will turn water into wine.....and wait until you see what I can do with a loaf of bread....ROFL....
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    Jan 18, 2010 10:28 PM GMT
    There is no cure...because there is NOTHING wrong with your friend.
  • Webster666

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    Jan 18, 2010 10:39 PM GMT
    Rowing_Ant saidConsidering that sexuality is fluid and not fixed, I think its possible for someone's sexuality to change over time, so someone who wants to have sex with a woman can change to want to have sex with a man, and back again.

    I also think the labels gay, straight, bi, whatever, are totally un helpful.

    The problem is with sexuality, is that people see it very much as two fixed almost polar opposites. This is unhelpful and terribly political.


    That might be true for you, but, ONLY if you're bisexual.
    Otherwise, gay is gay and straight is straight.
    And, there's no changing it.
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    Jan 18, 2010 10:50 PM GMT
    In fact one of my relatives in Hollywood paid the church of Scientology millions of dollars over a number of years, by promising the could turn him straight as they did John Travolta. After many years, and handing over millions, to be cured. he found himself to still be gay, and sued the Church of Scientology.
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    Jan 18, 2010 10:51 PM GMT
    If they preach and indoctrinate enough, and if your friend wants it, they will make him "straight-acting", to use a term we see often in the forums. Basically, he won't act, for a while, on his gay impulses. For centuries there have been gay men who did this, married women and had children and all. They will push him wwaaay back in the closet.
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    Jan 18, 2010 11:03 PM GMT
    It is rubbish like this that makes me want to kick the arse of people like the OP!! icon_mad.gificon_mad.gif
    When GAY people post stupid questions like this, it just feeds into the religious lunacy that We choose to be Gay!! You should be ashamed to even bring the subject up!! icon_rolleyes.gif
    Just as yesterday.....there was some bloody idiotic thread asking which female would you become straight for?!? It's the same feckless nonsense!!icon_mad.gificon_mad.gificon_mad.gif
    We are Gay men here. It is a part of us as being short or tall is. Embrace it and enjoy it. Be proud of it!!!
    I absolutely love being a Gay man. The thought of being any other way just doesn't make sense. icon_eek.gif
    If idiots amoungst our own community question this, why shouldn't the stupid christian/religious arses of the world question it?!?! STOP GIVING THEM WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR!!!
    BLOODY FUCKING IDIOT!!!
    -Keith
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    Jan 18, 2010 11:26 PM GMT
    Musclequest saidIt is rubbish like this that makes me want to kick the arse of people like the OP!! icon_mad.gificon_mad.gif
    When GAY people post stupid questions like this, it just feeds into the religious lunacy that We choose to be Gay!! You should be ashamed to even bring the subject up!! icon_rolleyes.gif
    Just as yesterday.....there was some bloody idiotic thread asking which female would you become straight for?!? It's the same feckless nonsense!!icon_mad.gificon_mad.gificon_mad.gif
    We are Gay men here. It is a part of us as being short or tall is. Embrace it and enjoy it. Be proud of it!!!
    I absolutely love being a Gay man. The thought of being any other way just doesn't make sense. icon_eek.gif
    If idiots amoungst our own community question this, why shouldn't the stupid christian/religious arses of the world question it?!?! STOP GIVING THEM WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR!!!
    BLOODY FUCKING IDIOT!!!
    -Keith
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    Is all that necessary? Perhaps someone else has a different experience of "Gay" from yours. And regardless of whether or not that is the case, is their asking the question really undermining your quality of life? If you don't like the question, don't answer. I personally think that TREMENDOUS value has come out of people like Patrick McAlvey asking the question. Which does more good? His asking the question or your rant?

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    Jan 18, 2010 11:30 PM GMT
    If he sends me all his money, I can make this blind man see.
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    Jan 19, 2010 12:18 AM GMT
    ActiveAndFit saidI have no doubt that there are many people in the gray area of bisexuality that go back and forth between men and women that change in their desires (or suppress them). But I also believe there are places where they can make you think anything, just ask Patty Hearst



    Maybe, but I doubt they can make a dick hard.
  • trevchaser

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    Jan 19, 2010 12:42 AM GMT
    Musclequest said
    It is rubbish like this that makes me want to kick the arse of people like the OP!!

    Sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone or even cause any negative vibes.

    When GAY people post stupid questions like this, it just feeds into the religious lunacy that We choose to be Gay!! You should be ashamed to even bring the subject up!!

    I guess you know a lot more than I in this area when even today "I" still struggle with it. I'm acutally coming to peace with it and just about ready to tell the people in my life that I care for the most. I'm pretty stoked about taking that weight off my sholders.

    Just as yesterday.....there was some bloody idiotic thread asking which female would you become straight for?!? It's the same feckless nonsense!!

    I'd challenge you to just ignore the thread then. Some people need answers to 'stupid' questions. They're ignorant about the subject and most are harmlessly trying to get an answer.

    We are Gay men here. It is a part of us as being short or tall is. Embrace it and enjoy it. Be proud of it!!!
    I absolutely love being a Gay man. The thought of being any other way just doesn't make sense.

    I know I'm gay...I know that I have no sexual interests in females. But thank you for letting us all know how proud you are about being gay. That at least gives hope and faith to others who aren't as comfortable as yourself.

    If idiots amoungst our own community question this, why shouldn't the stupid christian/religious arses of the world question it?!?!

    I've learned that everyone has questions, you can't stop it. Life is a pretty interesting journey. Stupid/Smart questions with smart answers give us all more wisdom. I don't mean to start a battle with you. I guess we can agree to disagree? icon_smile.gif I respect every has their own opinion.

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    Jan 19, 2010 10:12 AM GMT
    i don't think it's possible. i remember i would try to force myself into finding women attractive during middle school but it would never work out and i just ended up saying fuck it.

    in any other case it would mean you're bisexual, i guess?

  • jrs1

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    Jan 19, 2010 10:16 AM GMT


    " gay-to-straight? "

    sounds more like " gay-to-self-loathing-and-closeted ... "

    that's a healthy alternative?

    * scratches head *

    sounds rather backwards and filled with ineptitude.
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    Jan 19, 2010 10:29 AM GMT
    There is no "cure"

    well, unless the real hidden agenda of curing gays is to make people, who undergo these forms of therapy, even more self loathing and depressed and eventually kill themselves.

    some religious right wingers might actually think that'd be an appropiate "cure" for gays.
  • mynyun

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    Jan 19, 2010 10:30 AM GMT
    Rowing_Ant saidConsidering that sexuality is fluid and not fixed, I think its possible for someone's sexuality to change over time, so someone who wants to have sex with a woman can change to want to have sex with a man, and back again.

    I also think the labels gay, straight, bi, whatever, are totally un helpful.



    Please. Most of society is based on labels. I mean we crave labels. If we didn't use labels we'd all be wearing the same clothes or driving the same cars, etc. etc. etc. It's almost as if we are defined by the labels we wear. Defined by others.
    All the time people ask "are you gay.?", "are you straight.?" How else would anyone know other than asking about our 'label'.? To go beyond that isn't necessary.
    "Top" "bottom" "pig" "slut" "tranny" "pedophile" "rapist" "catholic" "sinner" "president". All are labels.
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    Jan 19, 2010 10:34 AM GMT
    ariesnvancouver saidFor my next trick, I will turn water into wine.....and wait until you see what I can do with a loaf of bread....ROFL....


    And I will bring back the dead. icon_biggrin.gif