Jerry Falwell

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    May 15, 2007 6:39 PM GMT
    Just curious, what are people's reaction to Jerry Falwell dying. Not the fact that he is dead per se. Just the fact that his voice will no longer be one that is anti-gay.
  • jc_online

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    May 15, 2007 7:16 PM GMT
    I saw this post and didn't believe it! I Googled him and found out that he did indeed die this morning, in his office.

    Although I don't wish ill will on anyone (I don't need the bad karma)but I can honestly say that I do not feel sad in the least.

    It's kind of the same way I felt when I heard that Nixon had died. I just really couldn't care less.

    But I'm glad Falwell's hatefulness will no longer be directly spewed in our direction.

    Praise Jebus.
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    May 15, 2007 7:27 PM GMT
    PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • wc2boy

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    May 15, 2007 7:39 PM GMT
    Well I'm sure his family will miss him...

    Personally I'd prefer people to make up their own opinion about me based on all of my personality, rather than be despised based on solely one aspect as Falwell preached, so in that respect I'll appreciate the peace and quiet that his passing will generate.
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    May 15, 2007 7:56 PM GMT
    It's so nice to hear that Jerry passed.

    He worked hard to oppress equal rights and free speech.

    The world is a better place without someone promoting hate and intolerance and censorship.

    It is, indeed, a special day. The world is a better place today.

    Hopefully, someday, the pictureless will no longer be afraid. Hopefully, someday, they will no longer walk in shame.

    Solong Jer!
  • jc_online

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    May 15, 2007 8:17 PM GMT
    Just a sampling of how hatful this man was, here's a quote.

    Two days after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, during an appearance on Pat Robertson's television show, Falwell claimed that the attack was God's judgment on America's immorality.

    "I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians, who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way — all of them who try to secularize America — I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.'"

    Yeah, a real shame to lose him...
  • allamericantx

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    May 15, 2007 9:04 PM GMT
    Jerry: Good riddance and goodbye.

    You blasphemed the name of the Lord. You used His name in vain. You twisted His message of love in your wicked method to prey upon the dumb and lost, fatten your pockets with money and power, and to give your hate and anger towards your fellow man legitimacy.

    A Christian myself - I can honestly say when I looked in your eyes, I could see the soul of the devil within you and hear him in your voice and see him in your motives.

    You lied, cheated, and chewed away at the innocence of those who longed to know God, and you punished them when you created division amongst the people. Burn, you self righteous, arrogant asshole.

    You were no Christian - you never knew God. If you truly did, you would have preached a message of love, not condemnation.
  • allamericantx

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    May 15, 2007 9:13 PM GMT
    On that note of the 9/11 attacks posting, I'm gonna go grab my Tool CD and pop in "Eulogy" and play it about 15 times.

    "He had a lot to say, he had a lot of NOTHING to say"
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    May 15, 2007 10:07 PM GMT
    It is a good thing...
    w/ sugar on top.


    -> peace !
  • SkyMiles

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    May 15, 2007 10:56 PM GMT
    Falwell was one of those guys who really perverted Christianity into something that's almost obscene itself, something that stands for hatred, bigotry and fear. He used (abused) faith as a tool for the attainment of wealth and political power -- an unforgivable sin in my book.

    Real people of faith sacrifice OF THEMSELVES for God and for other people. Jesus is the ultimate example of this, because He gave up His life. What a far cry greedy and corpulent purveyors of extremism like Falwell are who live in mansions and claim to speak for God.

    I'd warn anyone not to feel too glad about Falwell's passing because the damage he's done to America will live on for a long time.
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    May 15, 2007 11:19 PM GMT
    I can't believe some of the messages above me right now. I too feel that he misjudged a lot, said things that were simply not true, hated, and was overall too political to be a minister. But being joyful that he died? Saying the world is a better place since he is dead? That's not cool. Yes, I hated his message, but never hated him. I choose to hate the sin not the sinner. I wouldn't in my wildest dreams wish someone would die. That's just unbelievable to me. As a homosexual, I fight for the most simple equal rights. Rights to love, rights to be romantic in public, rights to marry, rights to adopt, rights to have free speech, rights to speak publicy about my homosexuality etc.. So why would I wish someone would die because they are exercising the same right? The right to free speech, freedom of opinion, freedom to say that gays caused 9-11. We all know that wasn't true, but he was just stuck up his own ass obviously. But I say agin, I would never be joyful for someone dying. That would be.....unbelievable to me.
  • energy

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    May 15, 2007 11:20 PM GMT
    later asshole!
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    May 16, 2007 12:01 AM GMT
    norocksnotrees:

    i appreciate your point, but i can honestly say that this was the first time (and probably the last time) in my life that my first, instinctual reaction upon hearing of falwell's death was JOY.

    i hope the world is cleansing itself of this pure evil. sorry, but you can't separate the "sin" from "the sinner" if you don't believe in sin... and i don't.

    his actions defined him. he was pure hate.
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    May 16, 2007 12:38 AM GMT
    NNJfitandbi:

    i wasn't "jumping" and i'm not "hysterical".

    i disagree with you. falwell has a lot of blood on his hands.

    hatred breeds intolerance and fear, which breeds violence and destruction.

    he just didn't kill anyone directly. that's not a free pass.

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    May 16, 2007 1:34 AM GMT
    I'm glad he's gone and if there is justice in this universe he will have to explain his hate and intolerance to God.

    Yet...

    Like the hydra so many heads of hate remain.
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    May 16, 2007 3:39 AM GMT
    Poor old Jerry Falwell. The man who outed Tinky Winky, said that Martin Luther King Jr. was insincere, and sold video of the Folsom Street Fair to raise money from horrified Christian conservatives is dead.

    Back in the '80s, the magazine I worked for sent me to spend 10 days undercover at lovely Heritage USA, the theme park/resort owned by Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker. They were loathsome themselves -- Tammy's movie includes a lot of fiction. I wrote the original story that started their downfall.

    I was reassigned shortly thereafter to Heritage when Jerry Falwell volunteered to steward it after Jim's sex scandal (Jessica Hahn) broke. Falwell then went about the business of taking over the Bakkers' ministry and when Jim complained, Jerry began calling him a fag in public.

    I interviewed him twice. I thought he was the most arrogant, smugly hateful religious leader I'd ever interviewed. He despised homosexuality and constantly exploited homophobia to enrich himself and enlarge his following. He was utterly cruel.

    Even still, I find something untoward about taking pleasure in his death. I felt equally uneasy when Saddam's hanging, replete with laughter and cheers, was broadcast.

    Maybe it's superstition -- the way the monster always comes back after he's slain in the movies. Maybe it's just acknowledgment that no matter how we lived our lives, we're all going to meet the same fate. I watched many dozens of friends die at the peak of the AIDS epidemic. My mother, with whom I had a very conflicted relationship, died a year ago.

    Death reverses everything. If you watch someone die, it's like watching your consciousness become differentiated from nothingness: Your own sense of aliveness quickens. I guess that's something of what comes to me with Falwell's death -- the sense that love, even gay love, outlives hate.

    Then again, I told my partner I might dress up like Tinky Winky tomorrow.

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    May 16, 2007 3:58 AM GMT
    Even still, I find something untoward about taking pleasure in his death. I felt equally uneasy when Saddam's hanging, replete with laughter and cheers, was broadcast

    I did too. I had no sympathy for either in life....Falwell, a demagogue, who used hateful language to inspire similarly hateful urges in the weak minded...and Saddham, clearly a mass murderer only different in scale from Hitler.

    But I do believe we need to be careful not to inspire deiification of these hateful people.

    But I do understand that motivation. Falwell was the agent of much hate. I have witnessed, in my travels into the mid-section of the country, the degree to which his perverted logic inspired people whose lives maybe lacked meaning...but gained meaning by having a common target.

    I do believe Falwell caused Matthew Shepherd's death. Not by direct cause...but by creating the sense that a gay life is worthless...

    I am glad Falwell is gone, but I'd rather that he didn't have to die to make that so. Yeah, I realize that makes me wishy washy.
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    May 16, 2007 4:00 AM GMT
    Thanks obscenwich. You bring a human element to this discussion.

    As to many of the posts above...

    Whoa Whoa Whoa...

    Since when does Hate justify Hate? And who has the right to say what person is going to Hell and what person is not? Or who is Unquestionably Right and who is Unquestionably Wrong? Especially in so much as to condemn them.

    You may argue that Falwell opened the door to be judged himself when he lathed judgement out on anyone who was not like him. But does that give us the right to judge, hate, and scorn him back in utter contempt and vile anger and malice - becoming the very thing that he said we were?

    Please. Be thankful that a voice of hate no longer speaks, but don't become it's replacement. Though we may not be able to fathom it, someone mourns for him.

    As a Christian, I agree wholeheartedly that he gave the Christian faith a bad name and certainly did not demonstrate the Christ that I know. But I'm not one to say where his soul is. That's between him and God and truthfully, I'm not worried about it. I'll find out someday.

    But until then, someone is hurting because they miss him. And rather than make that person, or persons feel even worse, someone of integrity would choose to comfort, rather than scorn, to build up, rather than tear down, and to be a better person than the person we saw in Mr. Falwell.

    That's just my two cents.

  • allamericantx

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    May 16, 2007 4:14 AM GMT
    I'm a Christian - and I know when I see someone posing as a Christian who use the disguise to harm people's thoughs and well being.

    Jerry incited mental riots which were often against us. Was I the only kid growing up who felt that God hated him and was "evil" because of the words men like Jerry would say? How about what it does to one's self esteem and you have no good self defense?

    Don't begin to give this guy a pass. One by one they will fall away. He made serious money off the lives of others, at the expense of others. Glad he's gone!
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    May 16, 2007 4:33 AM GMT
    Nobody in this thread that I recall has said anything positive about him. Some of us don't want to dance on his grave. It's certainly your perogative, though.
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    May 16, 2007 4:35 AM GMT
    If the good Lord decided that he wanted to take Jerry Falwell home to heaven with him who am I to argue with the Lord. Honestly though dead or alive he didn't make much or a difference to my daily life. Seriously what irkes me is the Republicans in high office now saying what a great person he was. He was a crackpot and like most crackpots deserves in either life or death to be ignored.
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    May 16, 2007 6:41 AM GMT
    Johnnyfreestyle,
    I got ya. the great poet Rumi highly advises dancing
    at ALL times.
    Peterstrong - I actually believed I was chanelling you in yoga class today before reading these postings. I was singing ' Ding-Dong' very joyfully in my head while going into bow pose.

    Bob Dylan:

    " Passion rules the arrow that flies. "

    I feel ya, Peter !

    UP- UP AND AWAY !

    Peace, Jocksters

    x
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    May 16, 2007 6:43 AM GMT
    btw> chuckystud...
    you are the 'supreme boxer.'
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    May 16, 2007 7:49 AM GMT
    Jerry Falwell isn't really dead. Yeah, that one guy everyone called Jerry Falwell is dead, but beyond a writer above none of us knew the guy so is he really dead? Will the scales fall from the eyes of fundamentalists? Will a fundamentalist reading of the Bible soon become unfashionable? Will ratioincination finally replace faith in the unfathomable, unprovable, and improbable? No, if you want to make all that happen you have to kill ideas, not people.

    Why were so many so afraid of a mere man that they must rejoice in his death? Simply because he was better at getting his message out there than we were? Don't say it was the message itself, because that's not dead; we're just getting started on that. It just strikes me as somewhat lazy and certainly unseemly to celebrate the death of an opponent who dies before you've defeated him. To celebrate his death lends his voice and ideals far more credence than they deserved.

    If the national media had announced today, and the nation truly believed, that Jerry Falwell was WRONG ... now that would be something in which I could rejoice.

    And don't forget the man had friends, and a family, who probably loved him for reasons that had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with me or you or who you screw or any other disparaged group out there. This has got to be a shitty day for them.
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    May 16, 2007 8:29 AM GMT
    Yah. If he were maybee 50 it would be only semi-tragic, but the guy was a public asshole, and I think assholes like that need to be fucked publicly- all PC aside. I am glad we will no longer be hearing his YAP.
    Peace n love to ya, JER !

    Don't forget to laugh at yourself on the way down.