Liberal Bloggers to Obama and Dems: We Told You So

  • metta

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    Jan 20, 2010 5:45 PM GMT
    Liberal Bloggers to Obama and Dems: We Told You So

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-daou/liberal-bloggers-to-obama_b_429031.html
  • GQjock

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    Jan 20, 2010 6:03 PM GMT
    One fell swoop ..... trying to work with the republicans

    Worked out real well for ya yet Obama? icon_confused.gif
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    Jan 20, 2010 6:12 PM GMT
    Well when you're a pussy and you're trying to work with a bunch of dicks, it should be obvious who's gonna get fucked.
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    GQjock saidOne fell swoop ..... trying to work with the republicans

    Worked out real well for ya yet Obama? icon_confused.gif

    Yeah, at least the Republicans stay on message: make Obama fail, ruin the country rather than let the Democrats succeed. Whereas the wimpy Democrats try for compromise & bi-partisanship, and the greater good, and get whipped at every turn.

    What I wouldn't give for a Democrat with a pair of balls. Unfortunately, the Repubs have the balls, and the Dems merely the brains, at least when it comes to policy. But in the battle of balls versus policy, balls win every time.

    So sad, because our gay rights are tied to the Dems, and they are sinking fast. Repub supporters here on RJ revel in the anti-gay triumphs, making me wonder just where their loyalties lie. Clearly not pro-gay, but what then? Can they be so selfish in closeted interest that they throw their gay brethren onto the bonfire to warm themselves? I do think so...
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 20, 2010 6:23 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    Yeah, at least the Republicans stay on message: make Obama fail, ruin the country rather than let the Democrats succeed. Whereas the wimpy Democrats try for compromise & bi-partisanship, and the greater good, and get whipped at every turn.


    Oh good god, give me a break. "Compromise" & "Bi-partisanship" -- from the Democrats? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!



    Red_Vespa said
    So sad, because our gay rights are tied to the Dems


    Really? How's THAT workin' out? Your hopes tied on the "Tell You What You Want To Hear" Democrats would be your first mistake.


    Red_Vespa saidRepub supporters here on RJ revel in the anti-gay triumphs, making me wonder just where their loyalties lie. Clearly not pro-gay, but what then? Can they be so selfish in closeted interest that they throw their gay brethren onto the bonfire to warm themselves? I do think so...


    Do you specialize in anything other than "Whining" and "Melodramatics"? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 20, 2010 6:39 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said...Do you specialize in anything other than "Whining" and "Melodramatics"? icon_rolleyes.gif

    I specialize in reality. Please name the US Republican leaders who are champions & spokespersons of gay rights.

    Democrats may be ineffectual & weak regarding gay rights, but they are at least friendly to the concept. How would you describe the official Republican Party position in reference to gay rights? Please feel free to quote from their party platform, because if you don't, I will.
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    Jan 20, 2010 6:46 PM GMT
    flex89 saidWell when you're a pussy and you're trying to work with a bunch of dicks, it should be obvious who's gonna get fucked.


    ^ This is full of win!


    Red_Vespa said
    CuriousJockAZ said...Do you specialize in anything other than "Whining" and "Melodramatics"? icon_rolleyes.gif

    I specialize in reality. Please name the US Republican leaders who are champions & spokespersons of gay rights.

    Democrats may be ineffectual & weak regarding gay rights, but they are at least friendly to the concept. How would you describe the official Republican Party position in reference to gay rights? Please feel free to quote from their party platform, because if you don't, I will.


    I don't know why some RJers are suddenly on the Rep. bandwagon (I do have an idea, but will steer clear of further flamewars). Any of you right wingers out there want to speak up? Why not educate us "left wing nut jobs" on how the Reps. are helping to advance gay rights? I need documentation - proof of the Rep. Party (or any Rep. lawmaker, for that matter) who has been standing up for gay rights.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 20, 2010 7:03 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    Democrats may be ineffectual & weak regarding gay rights, but they are at least friendly to the concept.


    "Ineffectual & weak"? Translation: Worthless.

    "Friendly to the Concept"? Translation: Tell you what you want to hear to get your vote.


    Red_Vespa saidHow would you describe the official Republican Party position in reference to gay rights? Please feel free to quote from their party platform, because if you don't, I will.


    I'll leave that up to you...you're so good at it icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 20, 2010 7:33 PM GMT
    reppaT said
    I don't know why some RJers are suddenly on the Rep. bandwagon (I do have an idea, but will steer clear of further flamewars). Any of you right wingers out there want to speak up? Why not educate us "left wing nut jobs" on how the Reps. are helping to advance gay rights? I need documentation - proof of the Rep. Party (or any Rep. lawmaker, for that matter) who has been standing up for gay rights.



    You see, here in lies the basic problem that crops up here at RJ all the time when more right leaning members speak out and voice an opinion and some, NOT all, but some more left leaning members attack them as if they are somehow "Anti-Gay Rights". For some of us, being GAY is but a fraction of our whole existence. Our lives do not revolve around our gayness. That said, there are just so many issues that stack up the priority list in our personal lives over and above the "Gay Rights" issue, that we base our values, and our votes sometimes, on those issues that are more important to us. Not all of us let ourselves feel like "second class citizens" like some of you do. We live our lives without wearing our sexuality on our sleeve and focus on other things that are more important in our own personal daily lives. Being gay does not require anyone to be a rainbow flag waiving parade marching activist. I'm not in any way criticizing those who choose to make those issues a priority and fight vehemently for them. More power to you. I'm merely making the point that gay people come from all sorts of different mindsets with personal priorities that run the gamut -- and that is okay.
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    Red_Vespa saidHow would you describe the official Republican Party position in reference to gay rights? Please feel free to quote from their party platform, because if you don't, I will.

    I'll leave that up to you...you're so good at it icon_wink.gif

    What a cowardly response. But OK, I'll give you another chance to quote the official US Republican Party platform regarding gay rights. Are you afraid of what it might say?

    You've championed the US Republican Party here. Yet you shy away from quoting what it stands for, regarding gay rights? Come on, make at least an attempt at being a man, and tell us what your party believes about gays. You can manage that, can't you?
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 20, 2010 7:54 PM GMT
    I have said many times, and I will say it again, I am NOT, I repeat NOT championing the Republican party or their platform. What I am championing is my own personal opinion -- nothing more, nothing less -- and that opinion is neither Republican or Democratic but rather a mixture of the two.
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    CuriousJockAZ saidI have said many times, and I will say it again, I am NOT, I repeat NOT championing the Republican party or their platform. What I am championing is my own personal opinion -- nothing more, nothing less -- and that opinion is neither Republican or Democratic but rather a mixture of the two.

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    CuriousJockAZ saidI have said many times, and I will say it again, I am NOT, I repeat NOT championing the Republican party or their platform. What I am championing is my own personal opinion -- nothing more, nothing less -- and that opinion is neither Republican or Democratic but rather a mixture of the two.

    A toxic mixture, that spells death to gays. You really don't get it, do you?

    There are anti-gay forces aligned against us. I don't care whether they're called Republican, conservative, or the Silly Party from an old Monty Python TV sketch.

    I'm not the activist you might suspect. I'm really rather sedentary, happy to go my own way, left alone, lacking any particular agenda I'm trying to push.

    But then I find myself confronted with hateful opposition, people trying to harm me, restrict my rights, even put me in jail for being gay.

    And I'm supposed to do -- what? Accept it? Rationalize it? Take it in stride? Give them a pass, all the while I'm losing legal ground in the US?

    That may be your approach, but it isn't mine. I'm content to let bygones be bygones, everyone to his own opinion. But when you try to turn your opinion into law, and criminalize me, and limit my rights, then you'll forgive me if I don't sit still for that. Fair enough?
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 20, 2010 8:16 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    A toxic mixture, that spells death to gays. You really don't get it, do you?

    There are anti-gay forces aligned against us. I don't care whether they are called Republican, conservative, or the Silly Party from an old Monty Python TV sketch.

    I'm not the activist you might suspect. I'm really rather sedentary, happy to go my own way, left alone, lacking any particular agenda I'm trying to push.

    But then I find myself confronted with hateful opposition, people trying to harm me, restrict my rights, even put me in jail for being gay.

    And I'm supposed to do -- what? Accept it? Rationalize it? Take it in stride? Give them a pass, all the while I'm losing legal ground in the US?

    That may be your approach, but it isn't mine. I'm content to let bygones be bygones, everyone to his own opinion. But when you try to turn your opinion into law, and criminalize me, and limit my rights, then you'll forgive me if I don't sit still for that. Fair enough?



    "A toxic mixture that Spells Death to Gays"? My, my, my...you really ARE a drama queen. I'll tell ya what...the day someone puts YOU in jail for being gay, I'll join the Democratic Party and personally march in front of The White House dressed in a rainbow Speedo waving a sign. Fair enough?
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    reppaT said
    I don't know why some RJers are suddenly on the Rep. bandwagon (I do have an idea, but will steer clear of further flamewars). Any of you right wingers out there want to speak up? Why not educate us "left wing nut jobs" on how the Reps. are helping to advance gay rights? I need documentation - proof of the Rep. Party (or any Rep. lawmaker, for that matter) who has been standing up for gay rights.



    You see, here in lies the basic problem that crops up here at RJ all the time when more right leaning members speak out and voice an opinion and some, NOT all, but some more left leaning members attack them as if they are somehow "Anti-Gay Rights". For some of us, being GAY is but a fraction of our whole existence. Our lives do not revolve around our gayness. That said, there are just so many issues that stack up the priority list in our personal lives over and above the "Gay Rights" issue, that we base our values, and our votes sometimes, on those issues that are more important to us. Not all of us let ourselves feel like "second class citizens" like some of you do. We live our lives without wearing our sexuality on our sleeve and focus on other things that are more important in our own personal daily lives. Being gay does not require anyone to be a rainbow flag waiving parade marching activist. I'm not in any way criticizing those who choose to make those issues a priority and fight vehemently for them. More power to you. I'm merely making the point that gay people come from all sorts of different mindsets with personal priorities that run the gamut -- and that is okay.


    There are some grand Democrates here! Really nice guys with loving hearts, that I have talked with privately here at RJ. But one of the things that separate me from many here, is my sexuality does not define me as a whole, it's only apart of me. I was not just born a homosexual, nor am I seen out here as only I homosexual! By many I'm seen for my daily actions first. I recall being in uni a few years ago. There was a lesbian in leather full of aggression, a lipstick wearing lesbian, a confused bisexual, and an out gay guy> for the first half of the year I made no mention of my sexuality, and because I did not wave the rainbow flag, into the second half I over heard the aggressive dyke saying, he has not said it, but he is homophobic. Well I outed myself that day to them. Shock horror, then they fobbed off their disdain for what they thought,with: I should of let it be known I was gay, because you can't tell! Oh please I was just not wearing my sexuality on my sleeve. If people won't to be flag waving parade marches, fine I say nothing until I'm judged by their actions. But by no means am I self loathing. we are not not one, never have been and are along way from being so. But may never be, because we are all so diffrent, diffrent likes, agendas, needs in diffrent stages of our lives. In my 20s I said very little I was a sponge, taking in the information around me. I ponder how this would of changed if the Internet is around. Sadly to many left only see the gay right from stopping the from achieving their wants, their needs and so.

    her in Oz if we had a politician who said "a vote for me would give all homosexuals of Oz equality!" does not mean I would vote for him if I did not feel over all he would not be good for Oz. As when I vote I put whats best for Oz first, and not me or my wants. It's not unusual for me to put others before myself either.
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    CuriousJockAZ saidI have said many times, and I will say it again, I am NOT, I repeat NOT championing the Republican party or their platform. What I am championing is my own personal opinion -- nothing more, nothing less -- and that opinion is neither Republican or Democratic but rather a mixture of the two.


    Good on ya. because I say time and time again, I am neither left or right. But I do stand for the under dog, and here that is anything that may seem right wing.
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    CuriousJockAZ said"A toxic mixture that Spells Death to Gays"? My, my, my...you really ARE a drama queen. I'll tell ya what...the day someone puts YOU in jail for being gay, I'll join the Democratic Party and personally march in front of the white house dressed in a rainbow speedo waving a sign. Fair enough?

    Gays were being put in jail for gay sex acts in the US not 10 years ago, and the Republican Party wants to return to that. That is a fact, not a drama statement. And whether I'm personally jailed, or some other gay, we're all gay, are we not? Or are you something apart from the rest of us?

    I'm still waiting for you to quote the US Republican Party platform position regarding gay rights. Are you going to continue to avoid the question, and respond with more ad hominem attacks on me? You lose ground with every evasion.
  • wander2340

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    Jan 20, 2010 8:25 PM GMT
    I am happily neither Republican or Democrat. Just an independent voter with no party loyalty.

    I did vote for Obama in large part because of his strong pro-gay stance. I have been willing to be patient while he tackles the larger issues going on but am growing increasing unhappy as time goes on and he seems far more interested in trying to be friendly with FNC/RNC crowd then actually honoring the promises he made to his supporters.

    He has proven time and again that he is one step ahead of his political opponents. Let's just hope that he still is and that he will still be able to honor at least some of the promises he made.


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    Jan 20, 2010 8:31 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    Gays were being put in jail for gay sex acts in the US not 10 years ago, and the Republican Party wants to return to that.


    Oh really? icon_rolleyes.gif Are planning on climbing on that Vespa and riding into the 21st Century any time soon?
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    wander2340 saidI am happily neither Republican or Democrat. Just an independent voter with no party loyalty.

    I did vote for Obama in large part because of his strong pro-gay stance. I have been willing to be patient while he tackles the larger issues going on but am growing increasing unhappy as time goes on and he seems far more interested in trying to be friendly with FNC/RNC crowd then actually honoring the promises he made to his supporters.

    He has proven time and again that he is one step ahead of his political opponents. Let's just hope that he still is and that he will still be able to honor at least some of the promises he made.

    Having no party loyalty is probably the wisest thing to do. I certainly don't want to be confined by a party platform, and told what to think on every issue according to some rigid doctrine.

    It's true I find myself most often in agreement with Democrats, but not always. I am hostile to Republicans because they are hostile to me, as a gay man. In terms of other political issues I could agree at times with them. But if you choose to make me your mortal enemy, and campaign against me, should I then vote with you on anything?

    I see no reason to empower in any way the people who have declared themselves opposed to my very existence, in no uncertain terms. I don't find this unreasonable.
  • GQjock

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    Jan 20, 2010 8:39 PM GMT
    When a Senate Candidate tells you that he will when seated block all democratic proposals
    Take him at his word
    This is NOT bipartisanship
    This is NOT compromise
    Republicans have NOT and WILL NOT vote for ANYTHING that Obama proposes
    and THAT is the mistake that our President is making
    his trying to include the republicans will be his downfall if he keeps this up

    If you like the last 8 years ... have at it and SAY SO
    but if you wanted a change
    and you still vote republican? I think you're suffering from a chemical imbalance

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    CuriousJockAZ said
    Red_Vespa said
    Gays were being put in jail for gay sex acts in the US not 10 years ago, and the Republican Party wants to return to that.


    Oh really? icon_rolleyes.gif Are planning on climbing on that Vespa and riding into the 21st Century any time soon?


    Gosh I was first in the US say 12 years ago, and I never felt at threat for being a homosexual. Stayed in the same hotel room with my companion, and all, but never felt at any threat in The US for being a homosexual. never ever thought about being put in jail, never got warned by anyone either to be hush about my sexuality either, to remain safe.
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    Jan 20, 2010 8:48 PM GMT
    Pattison said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Red_Vespa said
    Gays were being put in jail for gay sex acts in the US not 10 years ago, and the Republican Party wants to return to that.


    Oh really? icon_rolleyes.gif Are planning on climbing on that Vespa and riding into the 21st Century any time soon?


    Gosh I was first in the US say 12 years ago, and I never felt at threat for being a homosexual. Stayed in the same hotel room with my companion, and all, but never felt at any threat in The US for being a homosexual. never ever thought about being put in jail, never got warned by anyone either to be hush about my sexuality either, to remain safe.



    That's because you probably weren't riding around on a Red Vespa. Republicans single out gays riding a Red Vespa. Straight church goers on a Red Vespa is okay, but a gay on a red Vespa makes them crazy icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 20, 2010 8:56 PM GMT
    Gosh I was first in the US say 12 years ago, and I never felt at threat for being a homosexual. Stayed in the same hotel room with my companion, and all, but never felt at any threat in The US for being a homosexual. never ever thought about being put in jail, never got warned by anyone either to be hush about my sexuality either, to remain safe.

    Gosh ..... Did you happen to notice the Federal Amendment that was being bandied about forbidding gay men and women to marry???

    Did you happen to notice that gay hate crimes had been going up over those last few years too???
    and that the Bush Justice Dept was looking for voter fraud cases that weren't there?

    But I guess because no one was knocking at your door you ddin't care
  • TexanMan82

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    Jan 20, 2010 8:56 PM GMT
    Yes, the Republicans are out to arrest and torture us gays...booga booga booga booga!

    Nothing worse than someone who ALWAYS plays the victim card.