SOME McCAINS support gay marriage

  • Mepark

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    Jan 21, 2010 3:12 AM GMT
    You can spin it all you want, but I believe this is very significant and is the beginning of a split in the Republican Party on this issue. It was bound to happen. This (to me) translates into McCain himself supporting gay marriage, it's a message. Dick Cheney was first, and Charlie Crist here in FL will somewhat be next to join.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100121/ap_on_go_co/us_cindy_mccain_gay_marriage_4

    http://www.noh8campaign.com/

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    Jan 21, 2010 4:02 AM GMT
    I just cross posted this (see photos):
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/20/cindy-mccain-noh8-photo-m_n_430004.html
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 21, 2010 4:07 AM GMT
    Okay, now this is an embarrassment of riches. First FOX NEWS commentator Margaret Hoover, then the Mayor of San Diego, now The McCain's? Now if we can just get President Obama on board icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 21, 2010 4:09 AM GMT
    Mepark saidYou can spin it all you want, but I believe this is very significant and is the beginning of a split in the Republican Party on this issue. It was bound to happen. This (to me) translates into McCain himself supporting gay marriage, it's a message. Dick Cheney was first, and Charlie Crist here in FL will somewhat be next to join.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100121/ap_on_go_co/us_cindy_mccain_gay_marriage_4

    http://www.noh8campaign.com/



    Ted Olsen said as much when he first took up the Prop 8 case. There is no ground for reasonable opposition to same sex marriage, and it would behoove the Republican Party to at least start acting like the Log Cabin Republicans are members of their own party.
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    Jan 21, 2010 4:14 AM GMT
    I myself have no interest in marrage; none. I'm not sure I ever have. So it's not on my agenda. But..........If I had a child who was a homosexual, and wanted this I would support it out of love for them; it would be my roll as a parent. So since most Republicans have a strong sense of family, I'm not surprised this is coming about. Just as I would not be surprised if the republicans produced the first American female president.
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    Jan 21, 2010 4:18 AM GMT
    Don't forget Ted Olsen ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Olson) who is defending same-sex marriage. Hey the more competition towards equality and what is right, the better. Maybe it will start a chain reaction ..
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    Jan 21, 2010 4:31 AM GMT
    "John McCain's office issued a statement saying the Arizona senator respects the views of members of his family but remains opposed to gay marriage. It says McCain believes "marriage is only defined as between one man and one woman."

    Correction to thread title: Cindy McCain supports gay marriage.

    Her husband is still an asshat on the issue.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 21, 2010 4:35 AM GMT
    GwgTrunks said"John McCain's office issued a statement saying the Arizona senator respects the views of members of his family but remains opposed to gay marriage. It says McCain believes "marriage is only defined as between one man and one woman."

    Correction to thread title: Cindy McCain supports gay marriage.

    Her husband is still an asshat on the issue.



    Well, so be it. For some reason, I think it's cooler to have Cindy and Megan's support anyway.
  • lostlogic

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    Jan 21, 2010 4:43 AM GMT
    Charlie Crist is such a cloest case...

    but I hope he does campaign!
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    Jan 21, 2010 4:44 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    GwgTrunks said"John McCain's office issued a statement saying the Arizona senator respects the views of members of his family but remains opposed to gay marriage. It says McCain believes "marriage is only defined as between one man and one woman."

    Correction to thread title: Cindy McCain supports gay marriage.

    Her husband is still an asshat on the issue.

    Well, so be it. For some reason, I think it's cooler to have Cindy and Megan's support anyway.

    You guys are so gullible and politically naive. Every person in this country named McCain could support gay marriage, and it's meaningless, unless a US Senator named McCain, who has a vote in the Senate, also supports gay marriage.

    In fact he remains opposed, and also against repeal of DADT in the military. So dream on, and let's hear no more about what "McCains" think, unless it's Senator John himself.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 21, 2010 4:48 AM GMT
    Baby steps, RV, baby steps
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    Jan 21, 2010 4:56 AM GMT
    Mepark saidYou can spin it all you want, but I believe this is very significant and is the beginning of a split in the Republican Party on this issue. It was bound to happen. This (to me) translates into McCain himself supporting gay marriage, it's a message. Dick Cheney was first, and Charlie Crist here in FL will somewhat be next to join.




    I don't believe Dick Cheney has ever supported gay marriage.
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    Jan 21, 2010 4:56 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidBaby steps, RV, baby steps

    I understand your meaning, but in this case, baby steps up a blind alley. Perhaps some favorable PR for us, but until the Man himself with the Senate vote signs on, this is much ado about nothing.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 21, 2010 4:59 AM GMT
    allgoodinhwood said
    Mepark saidYou can spin it all you want, but I believe this is very significant and is the beginning of a split in the Republican Party on this issue. It was bound to happen. This (to me) translates into McCain himself supporting gay marriage, it's a message. Dick Cheney was first, and Charlie Crist here in FL will somewhat be next to join.




    I don't believe Dick Cheney has ever supported gay marriage.


    He has...his gay daughter changed his mind just like the daughter of the San Diego Mayor changed his mind.
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    Jan 21, 2010 5:08 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    allgoodinhwood saidI don't believe Dick Cheney has ever supported gay marriage.

    He has...his gay daughter changed his mind just like the daughter of the San Diego Mayor changed his mind.

    Please provide the quote. Cheney has been "supportive" of his daughter, but can you cite where her father has proposed pro-gay legislation and the extension of gay rights to others?

    Having personal acceptance of his lesbian daughter is not the same thing as campaigning to legalize gay rights for everyone. Please provide instances where Dick Cheney has said or done that.
  • Mepark

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    Jan 21, 2010 5:12 AM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    allgoodinhwood saidI don't believe Dick Cheney has ever supported gay marriage.

    He has...his gay daughter changed his mind just like the daughter of the San Diego Mayor changed his mind.

    Please provide the quote. Cheney has been "supportive" of his daughter, but can you cite where her father has proposed pro-gay legislation and the extension of gay rights to others?

    Having personal acceptance of his lesbian daughter is not the same thing as campaigning to legalize gay rights for everyone. Please provide instances where Dick Cheney has said or done that.


    maybe he didn't campaign exactly, but he supports it and that's good enough.


  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 21, 2010 5:19 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    allgoodinhwood saidI don't believe Dick Cheney has ever supported gay marriage.

    He has...his gay daughter changed his mind just like the daughter of the San Diego Mayor changed his mind.

    Please provide the quote. Cheney has been "supportive" of his daughter, but can you cite where her father has proposed pro-gay legislation and the extension of gay rights to others?

    Having personal acceptance of his lesbian daughter is not the same thing as campaigning to legalize gay rights for everyone. Please provide instances where Dick Cheney has said or done that.


    Geez, even our democratic President hasn't done that. Lighten up and just be glad that slowly but surely major public figures are beginning to come around.
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    Jan 21, 2010 5:36 AM GMT
    Mepark saidmaybe he didn't campaign exactly, but he supports it.



    You might benefit from a college course in critical reading & listening. Cheney said it's a state issue, and "people ought to have a shot at that" but at no point did he say it's an inherent right.

    So he tried to appear to come down on both sides, saying he doesn't support a Federal statute enabling gay marriage, that it was a state issue, yet he knows damn well that's mostly going to prevent gay marriage, as it has in the vast majority of states. He says people do at present have a "chance" at gay marriage at the state level, but omits to address federal DOMA, which limits gay marriage to the individual state, unlike straight marriages, which must be recognized in all 50.

    And that DOMA prohibits any Federal recognition of state gay marriage, and so prevents Social Security benefits to gay spouses, and countless other Federal benefits and entitlements.

    Saying gay marriage is a state, not Federal issue, is the exact same argument that was used over 50 years ago by the segregationists. And the segregationists tried to keep their hands clean of charges of racism, by claiming they were merely defending states' rights, not discriminating against Black Americans, which they really were.

    But we saw through that charade then, just like we should see through Cheney's charade now. This has nothing to do with States' rights, but with discrimination against gays across the entire US, in violation of the US Constitution.

    But I gotta hand it to Cheney, he can even fool gays into believing he supports them. There's no more politically naive men on this Earth than gays, as these threads prove.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 21, 2010 5:41 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidThere's no more politically naive men on this Earth than gays, as these threads prove.


    I would argue that these threads prove that there are no more paranoid, bitter, chip on the shoulder-type gays on Earth than some right here at RJ.
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    Jan 21, 2010 5:46 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Red_Vespa saidThere's no more politically naive men on this Earth than gays, as these threads prove.

    I would argue that these threads prove that there are no more paranoid, bitter, chip on the shoulder-type gays on Earth than some right here at RJ.

    When you can't answer on the facts, go for the ad hominem argument. A classic Republican tactic. Now try to answer about Dick Cheney's hollow and misleading answer about gay marriage.

    Does he support pro-gay marriage legislation, and repeal of DOMA, or does he not? "Not having a problem" with individual states enacting laws that have no value outside those states under DOMA is not being pro-gay marriage. Can you respond to that, or will you slam me again personally?
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    Jan 21, 2010 7:17 AM GMT
    Good for Cindy and her daughter!! Very awesome!!
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    Jan 21, 2010 7:24 AM GMT
    This is awesome news! Almost brought a tear to my eye, not even joking! Thanks for sharing!
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    Jan 21, 2010 7:36 AM GMT
    Vespa,
    You accuse him of slamming you instead of responding but You slammed him first and didn't answer his statement about not even Obama doing what you are demanding of Chaney.
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    Jan 21, 2010 8:04 AM GMT
    In order to support gay marriage you have to have a gay daughter apparently. Eventually everyone will... eventually. lol
  • chgobuzz1

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    Jan 21, 2010 8:11 AM GMT
    Consider this a generational issue. When McCain is gone and Cheney long buried and others like them is when things will change. I dont see Obama doing much on it and he will never have the votes in the Senate to legislate it. It may well be the next generation of republicans that move these issues along in 10 or 20 years.