I didn't donate a dime to the Haiti Earthquake Crisis.

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    Jan 23, 2010 7:50 PM GMT
    Does that make me a bad person? I do donate to local organizations, support my local community, and volunteer occasionally in my community. So am I going to hell because I didn't even care to donate to Haiti?

    A gay friend told me I am a heartless prick, while hanging up the phone on me after he called telling me I should donate to the Haiti Crisis last night. I bluntly told him "No". I feel my focus should be on my own family, friends, city, and neighborhood I live in, not some island country I have no ties too.

    I look around my own city and see people and buildings in squalor that most just walk by and choose to ignore. A bit ironic how american's let their own cities fall to shit, but when a bunch of celebtards on TV tell them to donate to a cause in some other country that is in desperate need, and then show emotional images to pull on their heartstrings, people come together to donate money at the drop of a hat.

    LOOK around you, our own nation is in crisis. Yet I bet you more people have donated to the Haiti Earthquake Crisis than they have ever given back to their own community. Does that bother no one else? Where are people's priorities? And why is it always celebrities and politicians telling us to donate, couldn't these hundreds of thousands of celebrities and politicians come together and donate millions upon millions that they could easily find a way to write off on their taxes since they're most likely in the 1% of Americans who are rich. Just sayin'...

    I have nothing against Haiti. It sucks what the people there have gone through, but all I've seen is sensationalism being publicized and thrown at us like the plague. I also choose not to support Unicef or the Red Cross who are both corrupt organizations if you actually take the time to read online about them. Yet people choose to be blind, thinking they are giving to a great cause, but one thing donators don't really know is what their money is really going too. I also can't stand how some people pride themselves on donating money. I was reading a few celebrities twitter's as they boast about how much they donated, and how their fans and followers should donate too. The most "evil" people in the world seem to be the most charitable...

    Am I the only one who feels this way? Feel free to speak your mind.
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    Jan 23, 2010 7:56 PM GMT
    Um, we "donate" to our own wealthy country in the form of taxes.


    FYI, I've been reading of a few celebrities have donated $1M+ to Haiti (Leonardo Di Caprio, Gisele Bundchen, Sandra Bullock, Brad/Angelina, Tiger Woods, George Clooney come to mind)
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    Jan 23, 2010 7:59 PM GMT
    You can't donate to everyone.


    I don't think it makes you selfish at all.


    Personally, I don't have shit to donate, but I am helping set up a fundraising event.... but that's me. Shit happens, people need help and people give help, but choosing not to donate to one specific event doesn't make you selfish or a prick... especially when you're concerned with where your money is actually going.
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    Jan 23, 2010 8:20 PM GMT
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    but all I've seen is sensationalism being publicized and thrown at us like the plague..


    You are an idiot.
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    Jan 23, 2010 8:27 PM GMT
    If you were my friend and just said "I give time and money to other causes that are important to me, and you should do the same for causes that are important to you," I would have agreed and moved on.

    If you then went into your absurd justifications, ranting about corrupt organizations like the Red Cross, and making yourself feel better by saying you "can't stand how some people take pride in donating money," etc etc etc., I too would have called you a heartless prick and hung up on you. Then questioned if I would want to be friends with somebody like you.

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    Jan 23, 2010 8:28 PM GMT
    MindControl said
    but all I've seen is sensationalism being publicized and thrown at us like the plague..


    That's one way to look at it, albeit a very jaded one.

    I didn't donate money either, but only because I'm still trying to work out a very difficult financial situation with my ex as amicably as we can. I can't donate financially without making the current situation between my ex and I worse... nor can he, and he feels very strongly about Haiti, having bee a survivor of Katrina. We're both okay about that and are not giving away money that the other person needs to settle matters with us. Accordingly, my support right now comes in the form of prayers for the people of Haiti and encouragement for those trying to help.

    That doesn't make me a bad person, or even a lazy one. It makes me one who knows my limits and respects someone else's. I do not have less of a heart for supporting the efforts in Haiti this way.
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    Personally, I would rather not donate my money to fund a people/government/country that is so vehemently anti-gay. Homophobia is rampant in the islands and Haiti is no exception. They're violence against one another should not be tolerated..let alone funded. You won't see my tourism dollars go to most of those countries either, as beaituful as some of them are...Barbados, Jamaica, etc.
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    Jan 23, 2010 8:30 PM GMT
    jayseguy saidPersonally, I would rather not donate my money to fund a people/government/country that is so vehemently anti-gay. Homophobia is rampant in the islands and Haiti is no exception. They're violence against one another should not be tolerated..let alone funded. You won't see my tourism dollars go to most of those countries either, as beaituful as some of them are...Barbados, Jamaica, etc.


    YEA YEA!!! LET EM ALL DIE!! FUCK EM!!!

    retard.

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    Jan 23, 2010 8:33 PM GMT
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    jayseguy saidPersonally, I would rather not donate my money to fund a people/government/country that is so vehemently anti-gay. Homophobia is rampant in the islands and Haiti is no exception. They're violence against one another should not be tolerated..let alone funded. You won't see my tourism dollars go to most of those countries either, as beaituful as some of them are...Barbados, Jamaica, etc.


    YEA YEA!!! LET EM ALL DIE!! FUCK EM!!!

    retard.



    I'm not saying to kill them or let them die. I'm glad they are getting help. They just aren't getting my help.

    Douche nozzle.
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    Jan 23, 2010 8:37 PM GMT
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    jayseguy saidPersonally, I would rather not donate my money to fund a people/government/country that is so vehemently anti-gay. Homophobia is rampant in the islands and Haiti is no exception. They're violence against one another should not be tolerated..let alone funded. You won't see my tourism dollars go to most of those countries either, as beaituful as some of them are...Barbados, Jamaica, etc.


    YEA YEA!!! LET EM ALL DIE!! FUCK EM!!!

    retard.



    I'm not saying to kill them or let them die. I'm glad they are getting help. They just aren't getting my help.



    Here's a sheltered individual who doesn't understand humanity in the least.

  • darryaz

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    Jan 23, 2010 8:37 PM GMT
    I generally donate to causes that are more local and gay community oriented. I did give a small donation to Haiti relief.

    Just a comment, I refuse to give to United Way as long as they support the Boy Scouts.
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    Jan 23, 2010 8:39 PM GMT
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    jayseguy said
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    jayseguy saidPersonally, I would rather not donate my money to fund a people/government/country that is so vehemently anti-gay. Homophobia is rampant in the islands and Haiti is no exception. They're violence against one another should not be tolerated..let alone funded. You won't see my tourism dollars go to most of those countries either, as beaituful as some of them are...Barbados, Jamaica, etc.


    YEA YEA!!! LET EM ALL DIE!! FUCK EM!!!

    retard.



    I'm not saying to kill them or let them die. I'm glad they are getting help. They just aren't getting my help.



    Here's a sheltered individual who doesn't understand humanity in the least.



    Good guess, but no. My time/effort/money go to feeding the hungry, educating youth, suicide prevention and civil rights issues all over the world. But I know where my money goes. I don't donate blindly to be a "humanitarian."
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    Jan 23, 2010 8:40 PM GMT
    MindControl saidDoes that make me a bad person? I do donate to local organizations, support my local community, and volunteer occasionally in my community. So am I going to hell because I didn't even care to donate to Haiti?

    A gay friend told me I am a heartless prick, while hanging up the phone on me after he called telling me I should donate to the Haiti Crisis last night. I bluntly told him "No". I feel my focus should be on my own family, friends, city, and neighborhood I live in, not some island country I have no ties too.

    I look around my own city and see people and buildings in squalor that most just walk by and choose to ignore. A bit ironic how american's let their own cities fall to shit, but when a bunch of celebtards on TV tell them to donate to a cause in some other country that is in desperate need, and then show emotional images to pull on their heartstrings, people come together to donate money at the drop of a hat.

    LOOK around you, our own nation is in crisis. Yet I bet you more people have donated to the Haiti Earthquake Crisis than they have ever given back to their own community. Does that bother no one else? Where are people's priorities? And why is it always celebrities and politicians telling us to donate, couldn't these hundreds of thousands of celebrities and politicians come together and donate millions upon millions that they could easily find a way to write off on their taxes since they're most likely in the 1% of Americans who are rich. Just sayin'...

    I have nothing against Haiti. It sucks what the people there have gone through, but all I've seen is sensationalism being publicized and thrown at us like the plague. I also choose not to support Unicef or the Red Cross who are both corrupt organizations if you actually take the time to read online about them. Yet people choose to be blind, thinking they are giving to a great cause, but one thing donators don't really know is what their money is really going too. I also can't stand how some people pride themselves on donating money. I was reading a few celebrities twitter's as they boast about how much they donated, and how their fans and followers should donate too. The most "evil" people in the world seem to be the most charitable...

    Am I the only one who feels this way? Feel free to speak your mind.



    I donated to the Haiti because no matter how bad my own community looks here in the good old USA, it is still a far cry from the human suffrage and poverty the Haitian people have endured for centuries! and who told you that most of Americans do not donate in a form of taxation to appease the plight of poverty in their own community!? I myself have volunteer with helping the local AIDS victims of our community, the local Women Shelter, and just this past summer I got involved in a local fundraiser to help 10 families rebuild their lives after their homes burned down.

    Helping the Earthquake victims of Haiti is not just a question of donation but a HUMANE cause, because whether you like to believe it or not they are suffering a whole lot more then those people in your town, who even thou they are living in rundown deplorable shelters and living conditions, they don't have it as bad as those Haitians who are dying by the dozen each and every hour like it is happening now their country.

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    MindControl saidDoes that make me a bad person? I do donate to local organizations, support my local community, and volunteer occasionally in my community. So am I going to hell because I didn't even care to donate to Haiti?

    A gay friend told me I am a heartless prick, while hanging up the phone on me after he called telling me I should donate to the Haiti Crisis last night. I bluntly told him "No". I feel my focus should be on my own family, friends, city, and neighborhood I live in, not some island country I have no ties too.

    I look around my own city and see people and buildings in squalor that most just walk by and choose to ignore. A bit ironic how american's let their own cities fall to shit, but when a bunch of celebtards on TV tell them to donate to a cause in some other country that is in desperate need, and then show emotional images to pull on their heartstrings, people come together to donate money at the drop of a hat.

    LOOK around you, our own nation is in crisis. Yet I bet you more people have donated to the Haiti Earthquake Crisis than they have ever given back to their own community. Does that bother no one else? Where are people's priorities? And why is it always celebrities and politicians telling us to donate, couldn't these hundreds of thousands of celebrities and politicians come together and donate millions upon millions that they could easily find a way to write off on their taxes since they're most likely in the 1% of Americans who are rich. Just sayin'...

    I have nothing against Haiti. It sucks what the people there have gone through, but all I've seen is sensationalism being publicized and thrown at us like the plague. I also choose not to support Unicef or the Red Cross who are both corrupt organizations if you actually take the time to read online about them. Yet people choose to be blind, thinking they are giving to a great cause, but one thing donators don't really know is what their money is really going too. I also can't stand how some people pride themselves on donating money. I was reading a few celebrities twitter's as they boast about how much they donated, and how their fans and followers should donate too. The most "evil" people in the world seem to be the most charitable...

    Am I the only one who feels this way? Feel free to speak your mind.


    As long as you do what you can to help people, it's what's in your heart that matters. If you wish to give to other charities, which you feel is more important to you, nobody should condemn you . Nobody can possibly give to every charity there is, so you do have to prioritize which things you feel are more important and nobody should judge you for that.
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    Jan 23, 2010 8:45 PM GMT
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    jayseguy saidPersonally, I would rather not donate my money to fund a people/government/country that is so vehemently anti-gay. Homophobia is rampant in the islands and Haiti is no exception. They're violence against one another should not be tolerated..let alone funded. You won't see my tourism dollars go to most of those countries either, as beaituful as some of them are...Barbados, Jamaica, etc.


    YEA YEA!!! LET EM ALL DIE!! FUCK EM!!!

    retard.



    I'm not saying to kill them or let them die. I'm glad they are getting help. They just aren't getting my help.



    Here's a sheltered individual who doesn't understand humanity in the least.



    Good guess, but no. My time/effort/money go to feeding the hungry, educating youth, suicide prevention and civil rights issues all over the world. But I know where my money goes. I don't donate blindly to be a "humanitarian."



    You can chose whatever organization you want to donate to. But to say that the reason you won't send a dime to any group that helps with this human catastrophe because of the corruption, oppression, or whatever else in the government is childish. Just say "I give to other causes." There are millions and millions of needy people in the world who, through no choice of their own, live in the kinds of circumstances you describe. They are no less needy, and there are legit organizations who do their best to reach them.

    Here's one: http://www.standwithhaiti.org/haiti

    You're blind in more ways than you seem to understand.
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    Jan 23, 2010 8:49 PM GMT
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    jayseguy saidPersonally, I would rather not donate my money to fund a people/government/country that is so vehemently anti-gay. Homophobia is rampant in the islands and Haiti is no exception. They're violence against one another should not be tolerated..let alone funded. You won't see my tourism dollars go to most of those countries either, as beaituful as some of them are...Barbados, Jamaica, etc.


    YEA YEA!!! LET EM ALL DIE!! FUCK EM!!!

    retard.



    I'm not saying to kill them or let them die. I'm glad they are getting help. They just aren't getting my help.



    Here's a sheltered individual who doesn't understand humanity in the least.



    Good guess, but no. My time/effort/money go to feeding the hungry, educating youth, suicide prevention and civil rights issues all over the world. But I know where my money goes. I don't donate blindly to be a "humanitarian."



    You can chose whatever organization you want to donate to. But to say that the reason you won't send a dime to any group that helps with this human catastrophe because of the corruption, oppression, or whatever else in the government is childish. Just say "I give to other causes." There are millions and millions of needy people in the world who, through no choice of their own, live in the kinds of circumstances you describe. They are no less needy, and there are legit organizations who do their best to reach them.

    Here's one: http://www.standwithhaiti.org/haiti

    You're blind in more ways than you seem to understand.


    I need to amend my previous statement. I'm very aware that my donations to Doctors Without Borders is working in Haiti right now. I support their work because I believe all people are entitled to health care and nutrition. I have not however, sprung into action directly for other efforts (i.e. Red Cross) in Haiti.
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    Jan 23, 2010 8:49 PM GMT
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    jayseguy saidPersonally, I would rather not donate my money to fund a people/government/country that is so vehemently anti-gay. Homophobia is rampant in the islands and Haiti is no exception. They're violence against one another should not be tolerated..let alone funded. You won't see my tourism dollars go to most of those countries either, as beaituful as some of them are...Barbados, Jamaica, etc.


    YEA YEA!!! LET EM ALL DIE!! FUCK EM!!!

    retard.



    I'm not saying to kill them or let them die. I'm glad they are getting help. They just aren't getting my help.



    Here's a sheltered individual who doesn't understand humanity in the least.



    You are judging him. If he is giving to other charities, that is his choice. Are you giving to all the charities he gives to?
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    Jan 23, 2010 8:49 PM GMT
    So... you choose not to donate simply because idiot hollywood stars have turned it into a fad? And you're proud of it enough to post your decision?

    What did you really expect us to say?
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    Jan 23, 2010 8:57 PM GMT
    darryaz saidI generally donate to causes that are more local and gay community oriented. I did give a small donation to Haiti relief.

    Just a comment, I refuse to give to United Way as long as they support the Boy Scouts.


    I don't know if you know this, but you can give to the United Way and designate which charities you want it to go to. You don't have to support the Boy Scouts by giving to United Way.
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    Jan 23, 2010 9:00 PM GMT
    Donations don't always mean the financial kind....clothing, non-perishable goods, linens, etc...They are a good way to help.

    Obviously charity is a personal choice but just remember that if something catastrophic happens to you/city/state etc, and through no fault of your own, you lost everything, I think you'd want and hope you'd get help to rebuild.

    I make no judgments on you....just wanted to respond to your post.

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    Jan 23, 2010 9:01 PM GMT
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    jayseguy saidPersonally, I would rather not donate my money to fund a people/government/country that is so vehemently anti-gay. Homophobia is rampant in the islands and Haiti is no exception. They're violence against one another should not be tolerated..let alone funded. You won't see my tourism dollars go to most of those countries either, as beaituful as some of them are...Barbados, Jamaica, etc.


    YEA YEA!!! LET EM ALL DIE!! FUCK EM!!!

    retard.



    I'm not saying to kill them or let them die. I'm glad they are getting help. They just aren't getting my help.



    Here's a sheltered individual who doesn't understand humanity in the least.



    You are judging him. If he is giving to other charities, that is his choice. Are you giving to all the charities he gives to?



    Yes I am judging him. I'm judging his attitude toward the Haitian people who are suffering - basically saying "let them suffer, because their government is corrupt, anti-gay, and violent."

    Which is VERY different from saying "I do whatever I am able to do for charities that are important to me." AND JUST LEAVE IT THE FUCK AT THAT.

    Which is what I'm doing, and the only person I'm obligated to give more detail to is the IRS for tax purposes.

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    Jan 23, 2010 9:03 PM GMT
    Of course your not going to hell if you dont donate,,,
    The choice is yours to give or not 2 and yes i also see conditions here in this country unacceptable but the gift we have as human beings is that WE have the power of empathy,i believe most of us can sense a mysterious connection to each other...Wheather you give or choose not to wont determine wheather or not you'll get your wings..icon_idea.gif
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    jgymnast733 saidOf course your not going to hell if you dont donate,,,
    The choice is yours to give or not 2 and yes i also see conditions here in this country unacceptable but the gift we have as human beings is that WE have the power of empathy,i believe most of us can sense a mysterious connection to each other...Wheather you give or choose not to wont determine wheather or not you'll get your wings..icon_idea.gif


    Right on, gymnast. icon_smile.gif
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    What is great about threads like this is that various avatars can go directly onto the ignore list without the need to hear any more. This one was nabbed on the first post. That's like bagging a 14 point buck on opening day.