Let's talk about PHOTOGRAPHY

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    Jan 24, 2010 6:24 PM GMT
    Do you ever look at professional photographs and think that they are SO perfect and pristine that that overshadows the content of the photo? Like some of these photos that you can buy on photosites like Getty Images are shockingly and disgustingly perfect. Pretty people, perfect lighting, awesome effects. I want a bit of reality in my photos. A reason to want to look at them.

    Your thoughts?
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    Jan 24, 2010 7:31 PM GMT
    I like so many of your posts I hate to disagree with you on this one. Reality often sucks, I like some perfection even if it is Photshopped.
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    Jan 24, 2010 7:32 PM GMT
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    Jan 24, 2010 7:41 PM GMT
    Like here are some examples of grossly-staged photos by typing the word "playing" in the Getty Images search engine:

    http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=creative&lic=rf&assetType=image&p=playing
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    Jan 24, 2010 7:41 PM GMT
    i love photos that tell a good story rather than just a pretty face or scenery. maybe catching things in action, besides a good composition of color and texture. if it evokes the other senses outside of visual, then that would be really good.

    well land/sea scapes don´t have to be in the same box, for these i look for a unique angle, weather tones, midnoon/sunrise/sunset effects on color.

    i´m just a point-n-shoot user (i hate bulky SLR´s, read no money hehe) and so i have no qualms about professional photographers that are a bit lacking. anyway it´s all subjective.
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    Jan 24, 2010 7:44 PM GMT
    antelope saidI like so many of your posts I hate to disagree with you on this one. Reality often sucks, I like some perfection even if it is Photshopped.


    Im a visual artist and under that one of my disciplines is fashion photography, and the one thing people may love or hate about my work is that I use minimal photoshop, what you see is what you get. Much of my focus goes into giving a realistic approach with an artistic twist. I consider myself someone that brings fresh things to the table. I would rather spend time focusing on getting that one shot than making it happen in photoshop by twisting everything real about it. I do get sometimes intimidated by other's work, but very much like in fashion, Im worried more about the overall image and its composition rather than making everything unreal. I am not giving porcelain skin to someone who takes lesser care of their skin or any other feature. I find inspiration in the great work of others, and i consider myself a great sport about that, a good artist appreciates the work of others and finds inspiration in the works of others rather than being stuck up about their work. Perfection never exists, and photoshop does a great job in reassuring that in my opinion. Soooooooo, I would much rather consider an art piece something that has been heavily worked on photoshop rather than a photograph. I work both ways if a client requires it, and even then... I still don't like to tweak an image much.
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    Jan 24, 2010 7:46 PM GMT
    The only time I tweak photos that I've taken is to color correct or alter brightness and contrast to match what I originally saw when I took the picture.
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    Jan 24, 2010 7:55 PM GMT
    blue_ahli saidi love photos that tell a good story rather than just a pretty face or scenery. maybe catching things in action, besides a good composition of color and texture. if it evokes the other senses outside of visual, then that would be really good.

    well land/sea scapes don´t have to be in the same box, for these i look for a unique angle, weather tones, midnoon/sunrise/sunset effects on color.

    i´m just a point-n-shoot user (i hate bulky SLR´s, read no money hehe) and so i have no qualms about professional photographers that are a bit lacking. anyway it´s all subjective.


    Do you mean something like this:

    Swimming & Diving
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    Jan 24, 2010 7:57 PM GMT
    Here's the thing about a good photo. Do you want to look at it for more than ten seconds? To explore it. If not, it probably is only a photo for a photo's sake.
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    Jan 24, 2010 7:57 PM GMT
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    Jan 24, 2010 8:00 PM GMT
    I like photos that don't require a lot of Photoshop. As a former professional retoucher (physical and digital), a good image is a good image. It depnds on the whether its a setup or candid. There's a lot to be said for craft. Technique is often overlooked. Take Ansel Adams; brilliant in setup and in the darkroom. To think that those photos weren't manipulated is foolish and irrelevant.

    What's the purpose of the photo? The subject, the setup, the concept? It doesn't really matter so long as you know what you intended. If all your best photos are based largely on luck, then your not much of a photographer, A good photographer knows what to do to get/create the image.

    Having a great camera, doesn't make you a great photographer. That's knowledge and experience that does that.

    For commercial work, even the best photographers need retouching, but it is minimal.

    A hot photogenic guy will always seem to look good. I just take 50-100 pictures of myself for the best image that doesn't require retouching which would be so much easier.
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    Jan 24, 2010 8:00 PM GMT
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    Jan 24, 2010 8:01 PM GMT
    G_Force said
    blue_ahli saidi love photos that tell a good story rather than just a pretty face or scenery. maybe catching things in action, besides a good composition of color and texture. if it evokes the other senses outside of visual, then that would be really good.

    well land/sea scapes don´t have to be in the same box, for these i look for a unique angle, weather tones, midnoon/sunrise/sunset effects on color.

    i´m just a point-n-shoot user (i hate bulky SLR´s, read no money hehe) and so i have no qualms about professional photographers that are a bit lacking. anyway it´s all subjective.


    Do you mean something like this:

    Swimming & Diving


    What I think would make these photos better, at least the diving ones, is seeing the shoreline or part of the landscape in the background so you get a better feeling of his positioning in space. Here you only have water to look at.

    Just my opinion.
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    Jan 24, 2010 8:02 PM GMT
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    Yes, now that is a good shot. Great shot. You have shoreline, person watching, and dirty feet. Nice work. I want to explore it more more than a brief glance. Like reading the writing on the rocks, the musculature of the guys in the air, the colors, the background, and the reaction of the guy who is watching.
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    Jan 24, 2010 8:02 PM GMT
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    blue_ahli saidi love photos that tell a good story rather than just a pretty face or scenery. maybe catching things in action, besides a good composition of color and texture. if it evokes the other senses outside of visual, then that would be really good.

    well land/sea scapes don´t have to be in the same box, for these i look for a unique angle, weather tones, midnoon/sunrise/sunset effects on color.

    i´m just a point-n-shoot user (i hate bulky SLR´s, read no money hehe) and so i have no qualms about professional photographers that are a bit lacking. anyway it´s all subjective.


    Do you mean something like this:

    Swimming & Diving



    the last photo only catches my attention and maybe the part where he´s gonna hurt his shin and some poop on his butt icon_twisted.gif. but i would love to take the angle seeing the horizon a bit
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    Jan 24, 2010 8:05 PM GMT
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    Jan 24, 2010 8:09 PM GMT
    "You don't take a photo. You make a photo."
    quote from Ansel Adams
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    Jan 24, 2010 8:34 PM GMT
    wrestlervic saidYour thoughts?

    Before photography, the artist controlled all the elements of the image. Complete fantasies could be created, the ugly made beautiful, the good morphed into evil or vice versa, the non-existent made real.

    Photography promised to bring an objective reality, the unblinking eye of the lens. But that lens was at first only black & white, not the world most of us know, and could suffer from optical distortions and trick effects, that today through evolved technology are no less inventive than the painter's brush.

    Plus, as shutter speeds increased, the camera could freeze and capture inopportune and unflattering moments that the human eye, always seeing life in motion, could never perceive. As an instrument of scientific study the freeze-frame is priceless; as a comment on life it is misleading, because it reveals a reality that we humans ourselves can never see or experience. Informative, yes, but insightful, not necessarily.

    Yes, a person blinks his eyes, that the camera sometimes captures. But my own eyes never see that, just a flutter of the lids, and what I see in person are his open eyes, my own reality of him. My life frozen in the context of a thousandth of a second is not me; that would be my corpse. My life in motion, moving through time, that would be me, until the final day I stumble & fall, and time moves on without me.
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    Jan 24, 2010 8:46 PM GMT
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    Jan 24, 2010 8:48 PM GMT
    blue_ahli said
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    blue_ahli saidi love photos that tell a good story rather than just a pretty face or scenery. maybe catching things in action, besides a good composition of color and texture. if it evokes the other senses outside of visual, then that would be really good.

    well land/sea scapes don´t have to be in the same box, for these i look for a unique angle, weather tones, midnoon/sunrise/sunset effects on color.

    i´m just a point-n-shoot user (i hate bulky SLR´s, read no money hehe) and so i have no qualms about professional photographers that are a bit lacking. anyway it´s all subjective.


    Do you mean something like this:

    Swimming & Diving



    the last photo only catches my attention and maybe the part where he´s gonna hurt his shin and some poop on his butt icon_twisted.gif. but i would love to take the angle seeing the horizon a bit


    Leaving the image as if as far as composition...if you tweak the second to last mage of the series to high contrasts and brightness maybe a little more exposure and a fog effect, a little less saturated, the picture would look SOOOO mystical amazing and have a different meaning to it. just my opinion.