Trivia/Brain Teaser: You are walking down...

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    Jan 11, 2008 2:53 PM GMT
    the street in beautiful, historic Old Town Alexandria, Virginia, and see a sign hanging outside of an establishment. The sign reads "Ye Olde Tea Shoppe."

    How do you correctly pronounce the first word on the sign? ...and why?
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    Jan 11, 2008 4:00 PM GMT
    Hmmm.

    Ye is pronounced "Ye" like he but with a "y" and I'm guessing they spoke like that because it was the language back then from native England when the settlers first came over.

    I'm guessing I might be wrong about the second part part heck it's fun to test knowledge.
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    Jan 11, 2008 4:00 PM GMT
    http://www.yourdictionary.com/ye (includes audio)

    ye (ttt̸hhhə, ttt̸hi, ttt̸hhhē; now often erroneously or facetiously yyyē)

    adjective,

    Archaic the: y was substituted by early printers for the thorn (þ), the Old and Middle English character representing the sound (ttt̸h) or (ttt̸h): sometimes written “y”

    ye (yyyē)

    Archaic you: first used only as nominative plural, later as nominative singular, and still later, esp. in dialectal speech, as objective singular and plural

    Etymology: ME < OE ge, ye, nom. pl. corresponding to thu, thou, akin to Goth jus, but with vowel modified after we (see we): for IE base see you

    however there are different interpretations as seen at other dictionaries.

    personally i've always seen and said it as "yee", as in "you" but with "eeee"
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    Jan 11, 2008 4:05 PM GMT
    it's pronounced, ye

    say it like this, ye

    like in, ye olde faithful pub

    repeated after me, ye

    sound it out, y-e

    hope that helps
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    Jan 11, 2008 4:14 PM GMT
    Correct Firefighter.

    The "Y" in "Ye" is actually the Old English letter thorn which had a "th" sound. So instead of pronouncing the word like "Yee", it is plain, old "The."

    Originally, thorn looked like the letter p with the back of the letter extending up as well as down. But by the mid 15th century, thorn had been transformed to be indistinguishable from the letter Y

    FOLLOW-ON QUESTION:

    What other letters did Old English have that we don't have now? ...and what were their sounds?
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    Jan 11, 2008 4:17 PM GMT
    The things you can learn on this site, courtesy of Caslon and RJ....icon_smile.gif
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    Jan 11, 2008 4:19 PM GMT
    Caslon saidWhat other letters did Old English have that we don't have now? ...and what were their sounds?


    off the top of my head i don't know but i love looking these things up and figuring them out icon_smile.gif

    i also love spending [too] much time on www.freerice.com *laugh*
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    Jan 11, 2008 4:32 PM GMT
    Eeeee. This thread reminds me of my undergrad Middle English professor. She was a crumpled, tiny, ancient lady who would nonetheless screech loudly if you mispronounced your Chaucerian vowels. "Eeeeeeee! EEEEEEeeeee!!!!!" she screamed at me exactly once, when I mispronounced my 'I'. Damn vowel shift. Horrors, the memories.

    "Whan that aprill with his showres soote..."
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    Jan 11, 2008 5:50 PM GMT
    Oh God, we had to recite Chaucer aloud in a college class too...

    Whan that aprille with his shoures soote
    The droghts of marche hath perced to the roote...

    after the great vowel shift...

    "Yo, in April, it rain a lot, thass why
    In March, like, da ground be dry"

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    Jan 11, 2008 6:06 PM GMT
    Hey! Remember this...

    FOLLOW-ON QUESTION:

    What other letters did Old English have that we don't have now? ...and what were their sounds?


    *mumble* *mumble* ya just cant keep a thread on track with some folks around ... *mumble* *mumble* ... icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 11, 2008 6:11 PM GMT
    That's because I can't remember the names of the other symbols. Gods, those classes were so long ago. Another lifetime...
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    Jan 11, 2008 6:23 PM GMT
    Þ, þ [thorn]
    Ƿ, ƿ [wynn]
    Ð, ð [eth] later known as D, d
    Ȝ, ȝ [yogh] later known as G, g
    Æ, æ [ash] form of ae
    Œ, œ [ethel] form of oe
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    Jan 11, 2008 6:31 PM GMT
    29! And he's talking about another lifetime!!! ... icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 11, 2008 6:34 PM GMT
    great Phunkie! now we needs the sounds with each.
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    Jan 11, 2008 6:38 PM GMT
    Okay, okay...another career track. Better?? I still thought I was gonna grow up to be a stodgy, bent old English lit professor.

    I was gonna smoke a pipe and wear cardigans and loafers, have a pair of half-glasses perched precariously at the end of my nose, and quite possibly smell like old books. But only old books from the Bodleian.

    Whenever I spoke, wise words would spout forth in a tone of great gravity and admonishment. Quite possibly I would screech "Eeeeee! EEEEEeeee!!!"



    Fast forward a few years. As it turns out, the only times I've screeched "Eeeee!" have been in response to Caslon's posts. icon_razz.gif
  • phunkie

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    Jan 11, 2008 7:04 PM GMT
    Þ, þ THe
    Ƿ, ƿ pronounced as "w"
    Ð, ð THis, moTHer, breaTHe
    Ȝ, ȝ meaSure, televiSion, beiGE
    Æ, æ Apple, cAn, hAt
    Œ, œ is pronounced like o umlaut in german [Ö]. pronounce E in pet with rounded lips...you'll get the pronunciation of œ
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    Jan 11, 2008 8:30 PM GMT
    yeah...what is that squashed "ae" letter called, anyway? I know it has a name, and I've forgotten it. Like I've forgotten so many other things in my advanced years, sigh....

    anyone know?
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    Jan 11, 2008 8:40 PM GMT
    ash
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    Jan 12, 2008 2:00 AM GMT
    NANU NANU from the time of Mork and Mindy (aren't i just the corniest!icon_biggrin.gif)
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    Jan 12, 2008 2:06 AM GMT
    You could stand there and read the telephone book and you'd still be adorable.