Boycotting Starbucks/Seattle'sBest/Borders

  • danisnotstr8

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    Jan 25, 2010 8:07 PM GMT
    I'm pissed at Borders, Seattle's Best Coffee, and Starbucks.
    I went into Seattle's Best Coffee a couple days after the earthquake. I ordered a coffee.
    Peppy Deceived Borders Girl saidWould you like to donate a bag of coffee beans to the soldiers who are helping in Haiti?


    "Excuse me?" I replied.

    "You can buy a bag of coffee beans and donate it to the soldiers."

    "Am I buying it at cost?"

    "No."

    "So Borders, Seattle's Best, Starbucks, and/or some combination of the three is making a profit from the earthquake?"

    "I'm not sure how it works, really."

    "No thanks on the coffee beans. As a matter of fact, give the coffee to someone who can't afford it."

    So I bought my cup of coffee, left it there, and walked out of the store. Disgusted. icon_evil.gif

    WTF??? Why isn't the big coffee machine DONATING coffee to the soldiers? Why Why Why?? I really am saddened by this whole thing. Filthy greasy fuckers. I will not buy a thing from them and neither should you.
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    Jan 25, 2010 8:43 PM GMT
    It sort of annoys me as well getting guilted on for charity giving even at grocery store sometimes.
    To top it off.. all that money they collect or from the item they sell you for a charity etc you don't get the tax deduction for,, the store or corporation gets it though it's your donated money or purchase.

    if you're going to donate then donate to a registered organization that issues tax receipts.
  • bmw0

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    Jan 25, 2010 10:29 PM GMT
    Whatever happened to "it's the thought that counts?"

    If you wanted to buy a bag of coffee and send it to them, you wouldn't really know where to send it and you would have to pay for shipping. Just because they have found a mutually beneficial way to help people don't make them a bad company. They have the means and teh ability, they are just giving you the option. You don't want to do it, say no and move on. A boycott is an over reaction. Good luck with it.icon_rolleyes.gif
  • danisnotstr8

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    Jan 25, 2010 10:43 PM GMT
    bmw0 saidWhatever happened to "it's the thought that counts?"

    If you wanted to buy a bag of coffee and send it to them, you wouldn't really know where to send it and you would have to pay for shipping. Just because they have found a mutually beneficial way to help people don't make them a bad company. They have the means and teh ability, they are just giving you the option. You don't want to do it, say no and move on. A boycott is an over reaction. Good luck with it.icon_rolleyes.gif


    Actually, you're wrong here. They're making a huge profit on our sympathies. If it's the thought that counts, then they can take the coffee beans that they already are growing in the Caribbean and give it to the soldiers without us paying them as an agent. They should hang up some signs and/or make some TV ads that show us that they've already taken the initiative to donate on their own. Or they could take 10 cents out of every coffee purchase and donate that to the effort. Fuck them.
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    Jan 25, 2010 11:01 PM GMT
    I find it often to be the case that anything other than pure charity, void of any reward or positive outcome for the giver (including pride), is dismissed as being ethically bankrupt. For example: I've been told that anything other than anonymous charitable contributions, with no tax reward claimed, are meaningless because "You just want people to think you're a good person."

    I believe most actions has a number of consequences -- for the world, and for the self. Pure selflessness may be possible, but could anyone be absolutely selfless constantly? To be absolutely selfless would mean you would never eat, sleep, or bathe because your food, time, and water could be given to someone else. We have to be selfish to ensure survival.

    While I don't hold that corporations are people, and I generally value corporate charity, Starbucks is under no obligation to help anyone. The giant corporate machine is just that -- a machine. It's brick and mortar and paper and money, not a person. Why are we chastising a soulless construct for not acting more human, or rather, how we hope humans should act?

    And I used to be a barista. Baristas have no control over corporate policy -- exactly like every other living-wage employee everywhere. "Peppy Deceived Borders Girl" has to act like a happy-peppy moron. She works at a coffee shop. They make you do that there. Also, she cannot give coffee to anyone. She can't even suggest to her boss to give coffee to anyone, because her boss is a hollow English-major dropout who knows her only chance at financial security rests on ensuring that her employees act like happy-peppy morons and chastising customers for saying "large" instead of "venti."
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    Jan 25, 2010 11:05 PM GMT
    Well, must just be the USA, because in Canada we can donate at Starbucks without purchasing anything - weird!
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    Jan 25, 2010 11:20 PM GMT
    Are you sure...... that makes no sense. I'd hazard a guess as it's one stupid register girl that misread he training brief that says "when customers buy a bag of coffee ask them would they like to donate" as "ask customers to buy a bag of coffee to donate" or some idiot creative type manager that's tried to mix it up and come out on top with a donate the cost of one bag of coffee to help the appeal kind of spin that's gone wrong

    Besides the company it's self already donated a million dollars of it's own up front
  • bmw0

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    Jan 25, 2010 11:59 PM GMT
    danisnotstr8 said
    bmw0 saidWhatever happened to "it's the thought that counts?"

    If you wanted to buy a bag of coffee and send it to them, you wouldn't really know where to send it and you would have to pay for shipping. Just because they have found a mutually beneficial way to help people don't make them a bad company. They have the means and teh ability, they are just giving you the option. You don't want to do it, say no and move on. A boycott is an over reaction. Good luck with it.icon_rolleyes.gif


    Actually, you're wrong here. They're making a huge profit on our sympathies. If it's the thought that counts, then they can take the coffee beans that they already are growing in the Caribbean and give it to the soldiers without us paying them as an agent. They should hang up some signs and/or make some TV ads that show us that they've already taken the initiative to donate on their own. Or they could take 10 cents out of every coffee purchase and donate that to the effort. Fuck them.



    Curious, how do you know they haven't already donated a large amount and are just asking the public to give extra? I think you are under the mistaken impression that businesses are built on giving away products and money? As a highly successful businessman myself, i can assure you that they are not. They are here to make a profit just as any other coffee chain. The question you should possibly be asking is why some of the others are doing absolutely nothing.

    Here are a couple of facts that you could have easily found yourself by going to the starbucks website.

    -They have donated ONE MILLION dollars to the red cross already.

    -You are able to make non purchase related donations to the red cross at any starbucks location

    Maybe next time you decide to launch a full scale boycott you should do a little more research. You can avoid making yourself look silly. icon_smile.gif

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    Jan 26, 2010 12:16 AM GMT
    Daniel, take a fucking Motrin and wash it down with a Venti SkinnyCuntyBitch Latte already.
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    Jan 26, 2010 1:18 AM GMT
    Let me present you my good friend called capitalism
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    Jan 26, 2010 1:26 AM GMT
    From Starbucks.com


    Donate to the Haiti Earthquake Relief Effort at Participating Starbucks Stores
    Jan 18, 2010 by Rodney H 15 comments RSS

    Building Communities, Social Responsibility, International

    Hello,

    My name is Rodney Hines. I work on the Starbucks Global Responsibility team focusing on community efforts. This week a tragic event happened to our world neighbors in Haiti. Many lives have been lost and massive wreckage realized by the earthquake. Many of you have let us know that you would like to help.

    We’re making it easy for you to donate to the Red Cross in participating Starbucks stores across the U.S. and Canada. No purchase is necessary, just give the barista the monetary amount you would like to donate and they’ll gladly ring it up with 100% of the donations going to the Red Cross*. You can even donate with your loaded Starbucks Card. The Starbucks Foundation will join your support by donating one million dollars (U.S.) to the American Red Cross in support of this effort.

    *In-store donations in the U.S. cannot exceed $249.99. Starbucks cannot provide a tax receipt for in-store donations. If you need a tax receipt, please donate through www.redcross.org. Starbucks assistance in the Haiti relief efforts in no way constitutes an endorsement, express or implied, of any product, service, organization, opinion or political position."



    Your cashier was a retard. That doesn't make Starbucks evil.
  • danisnotstr8

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    Jan 26, 2010 2:03 AM GMT
    First of all, it's the Seattle's Best Coffee stores where this is happening. They are owned by Starbucks.

    I acknowledge that this is a capitalist society. However, nothing can change the sick motivation behind this. It should be our prerogative to give what we can to the relief effort in Haiti. But in this case, a monster business chose to play "agent" by preying on the hearts of those who were willing to give-- and by intercepting some of the money that could have been used. The profit stays here. The beans go to Haiti. I still find it offensive. This disaster should not be used to pull a profit. I really can't believe that any of you are defending them.

    An alternate solution:

    Seattle's Best Coffee asks customers if they would like to donate bags of coffee to the relief effort by buying them AT COST.
  • bmw0

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    Jan 26, 2010 2:33 AM GMT
    So i'm guessing that they held a gun to your head and told you that you had no option, right? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Let me ask you one more question. If you went to target, wal-mart, k-mart, sears or any other retailer in order to buy a tent, blanket, or other supplies to send to Haiti, would you expect them to sell them to you at cost as well? Because if you do, i would hate to see the extremely short list of where you have left to shop after all of your boycotts.

    You also seem to forget the cost of shipping things over seas. You boycott is silly baseless and pointless. The sooner you admit it and move on, the better off you'll be.
  • danisnotstr8

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    Jan 26, 2010 2:39 AM GMT
    bmw0 saidSo i'm guessing that they held a gun to your head and told you that you had no option, right? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Let me ask you one more question. If you went to target, wal-mart, k-mart, sears or any other retailer in order to buy a tent, blanket, or other supplies to send to Haiti, would you expect them to sell them to you at cost as well? Because if you do, i would hate to see the extremely short list of where you have left to shop after all of your boycotts.

    You also seem to forget the cost of shipping things over seas. You boycott is silly baseless and pointless. The sooner you admit it and move on, the better off you'll be.


    Actually, I WOULD expect a retailer to donate what they can. I'm donated out of my pocket, as have many others. You're not seeing the point. They're taking a profit from this. They are asking people to donate coffee that they purchase for soldiers, and they intercept a portion of that money. It does NOT cost 15 bucks for a bag of coffee. It costs them a dollar.
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    Jan 26, 2010 2:44 AM GMT
    danisnotstr8 saidI'm pissed at Borders, Seattle's Best Coffee, and Starbucks.
    I went into Seattle's Best Coffee a couple days after the earthquake. I ordered a coffee.
    Peppy Deceived Borders Girl saidWould you like to donate a bag of coffee beans to the soldiers who are helping in Haiti?


    "Excuse me?" I replied.

    "You can buy a bag of coffee beans and donate it to the soldiers."

    "Am I buying it at cost?"

    "No."

    "So Borders, Seattle's Best, Starbucks, and/or some combination of the three is making a profit from the earthquake?"

    "I'm not sure how it works, really."

    "No thanks on the coffee beans. As a matter of fact, give the coffee to someone who can't afford it."

    So I bought my cup of coffee, left it there, and walked out of the store. Disgusted. icon_evil.gif

    WTF??? Why isn't the big coffee machine DONATING coffee to the soldiers? Why Why Why?? I really am saddened by this whole thing. Filthy greasy fuckers. I will not buy a thing from them and neither should you.


    Well I hope a girl scout never approaches you to buy a box of cookies to be sent to the troops - you will probably call the 8 year old a capitalist pig.
  • danisnotstr8

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    Jan 26, 2010 2:45 AM GMT
    bmw0 saidSo i'm guessing that they held a gun to your head and told you that you had no option, right? icon_rolleyes.gif



    Oh, and one more thing:

    Don't talk to me like I'm an idiot. This part of your comment was not necessary.

    Making a profit on coffee as an agent or middleman for "helping" in a relief effort is a disaster in itself.
  • danisnotstr8

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    Jan 26, 2010 2:47 AM GMT
    SavvyGentleman said
    danisnotstr8 saidI'm pissed at Borders, Seattle's Best Coffee, and Starbucks.
    I went into Seattle's Best Coffee a couple days after the earthquake. I ordered a coffee.
    Peppy Deceived Borders Girl saidWould you like to donate a bag of coffee beans to the soldiers who are helping in Haiti?


    "Excuse me?" I replied.

    "You can buy a bag of coffee beans and donate it to the soldiers."

    "Am I buying it at cost?"

    "No."

    "So Borders, Seattle's Best, Starbucks, and/or some combination of the three is making a profit from the earthquake?"

    "I'm not sure how it works, really."

    "No thanks on the coffee beans. As a matter of fact, give the coffee to someone who can't afford it."

    So I bought my cup of coffee, left it there, and walked out of the store. Disgusted. icon_evil.gif

    WTF??? Why isn't the big coffee machine DONATING coffee to the soldiers? Why Why Why?? I really am saddened by this whole thing. Filthy greasy fuckers. I will not buy a thing from them and neither should you.


    Well I hope a girl scout never approaches you to buy a box of cookies to be sent to the troops - you will probably call the 8 year old a capitalist pig.


    Probably.
  • bmw0

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    Jan 26, 2010 2:53 AM GMT
    danisnotstr8 said It should be our prerogative to give what we can to the relief effort in Haiti.


    That suggests that they are making you do it. Your statement, not mine.

    I don't need to make you look like an idiot, you are doing a fine job contradicting yourself and making yourself look like one without my help. icon_smile.gif

    None of the companies would sell you items at cost, because they (like starbucks) have most likely already made donations. They have done what they feel they should do and that's it. I might also suggest a business economics course at your local community college. It would help you to understand why these businesses do things the way they do.
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    Jan 26, 2010 2:55 AM GMT
    SavvyGentleman said

    Well I hope a girl scout never approaches you to buy a box of cookies to be sent to the troops - you will probably call the 8 year old a capitalist pig.


    Seriously!

    Like who cares? I love starbucks, not boycotting it because they ask me to buy a bag of coffee to send to troops in Haiti.

    That's dumb.

    Anyways, when you donate stuff like that, just like in clothing stores, they ask you to buy clothing to donate to troops as well,

    BASICALLY, yes they get profit, but you are buying coffee for someone else. It's not their good deed, it's yours. If you don't want to give to anybody, then say no. No need to boycott, quite childish...
  • danisnotstr8

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    Jan 26, 2010 2:58 AM GMT
    bmw0 said
    danisnotstr8 said It should be our prerogative to give what we can to the relief effort in Haiti.


    That suggests that they are making you do it. Your statement, not mine.

    I don't need to make you look like an idiot, you are doing a fine job contradicting yourself and making yourself look like one without my help. icon_smile.gif

    None of the companies would sell you items at cost, because they (like starbucks) have most likely already made donations. They have done what they feel they should do and that's it. I might also suggest a business economics course at your local community college. It would help you to understand why these businesses do things the way they do.


    I'm perfectly well-versed in simple concepts of business. Again, please don't talk to me like I'm an idiot. There is a moral quagmire here. You can call names, but you've yet to acknowledge my argument.



  • danisnotstr8

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    Jan 26, 2010 3:01 AM GMT
    PusiKuracBre said
    SavvyGentleman said

    Well I hope a girl scout never approaches you to buy a box of cookies to be sent to the troops - you will probably call the 8 year old a capitalist pig.


    Seriously!

    Like who cares? I love starbucks, not boycotting it because they ask me to buy a bag of coffee to send to troops in Haiti.

    That's dumb.

    Anyways, when you donate stuff like that, just like in clothing stores, they ask you to buy clothing to donate to troops as well,

    BASICALLY, yes they get profit, but you are buying coffee for someone else. It's not their good deed, it's yours. If you don't want to give to anybody, then say no. No need to boycott, quite childish...


    I already have given in my own way. No one seems to get it. I give up. Call me an idiot... I'm still not buying their stupid coffee. They are snakes.
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    Jan 26, 2010 3:13 AM GMT
    I agree with Dan in principle that corporate exploitation of human misery is unethical. But I'm not sure that's happening here. Of all the examples of corporate greed one can point toward, this situation just doesn't seem to warrant so much hostility. Without more data about the transactions it's hard for me to point a finger in anger.
  • danisnotstr8

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    Jan 26, 2010 3:19 AM GMT
    There's another level to this whole thing that gets to me. Now, I'll admit that I am an emotional person and I really get upset about corporate greed. To that end, I think that perhaps I have formed a picture of what happens with the coffee:

    People buy bags of coffee.
    Seattle's Best makes money.
    Seattle's Best ships coffee to Haiti.
    Soldiers get coffee given to them and believe that it's been donated by the big red coffee roaster, but really, it was donated from our pockets.
    Seattle's Best gains new customers.
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    Jan 26, 2010 3:32 AM GMT
    danisnotstr8 saidThere's another level to this whole thing that gets to me. Now, I'll admit that I am an emotional person and I really get upset about corporate greed. To that end, I think that perhaps I have formed a picture of what happens with the coffee:

    People buy bags of coffee.
    Seattle's Best makes money.
    Seattle's Best ships coffee to Haiti.
    Soldiers get coffee given to them and believe that it's been donated by the big red coffee roaster, but really, it was donated from our pockets.
    Seattle's Best gains new customers.


    hello... you think they give the coffee to soldiers without telling them, we, "The costumer" bought it?!

    Now that's being an idiot.

    You clearly don't know that they tell the soldiers, that the coffee was donated by costumers.

    I 100% doubt, they give the coffee to the soldiers and say, "Hey Starbucks donated coffee to you guys!!"

    Even if they did, regardless, you should give from the kindness of your heart and not expect anything in return.
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    Jan 26, 2010 3:33 AM GMT
    danisnotstr8 said
    Soldiers get coffee given to them and believe that it's been donated by the big red coffee roaster, but really, it was donated from our pockets.
    Seattle's Best gains new customers.


    I would bet the soldiers know, or would learn eventually, that it was part of a promotional thing involving consumers. They have access to the internet and family who would fill them in.

    As for Seattle's Best gaining new customers out of this, I can't really blame them for having that motivation either. The coffee will be ingested by thousands of regular, enlisted men and women trying to do something with their life as they help devastated people recover from a tragedy. It just doesn't feel sleazy to me. A different set of facts in a more questionable arena could change my interpretation, but here regular people are benefiting.

    Sure, shareholders of the coffee company benefit too if profits increase from additional sales from new and existing customers. But how much will it really effect the bottom line? One could ask them at the shareholder's meeting how much this campaign helped their earnings per share, but I'd bet it's negligible. The only real effect, I suspect, will be to enhance their image while they help the Haitian recovery efforts.

    Maybe the image enhancement factor is what bothers you the most?