Squarejaw and child molestation

  • Squarejaw

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    Jan 25, 2010 9:20 PM GMT
    We know that campaigners for Prop 8 were claiming gays are12 times more likely than straights to molest children. This is the most vicious sort of lie told about the gay community. This video is meant to arm people with the truth to combat this evil.

  • drypin

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    Jan 25, 2010 9:37 PM GMT
    Nicely argued
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    Jan 25, 2010 9:38 PM GMT
    Damn I love you icon_redface.gif
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    Jan 25, 2010 9:44 PM GMT
    Thank you for all of your hard work.

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    Jan 25, 2010 9:46 PM GMT
    Thought provoking - well done, Rob. Now, if only the homophobes and religious zealots could actually develop an original thought or consider facts ------ instead of merely pushing their own twisted agenda against gay people.
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    Jan 25, 2010 9:46 PM GMT
    Will you marry me?
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    Jan 25, 2010 9:47 PM GMT
    The numbers don't lie. EXCELLENT!
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 25, 2010 9:47 PM GMT
    This is long overdue. It is about time someone with the resources came out and told the actual truth and exposed the vicious lies about gay men being child molesters.
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    Jan 25, 2010 9:47 PM GMT
    Fantastic video, an argument well researched and well presented. Thanks for posting it!

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    Jan 25, 2010 9:54 PM GMT
    This was fucking amazing!! love the video!
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    Jan 25, 2010 9:56 PM GMT
    Well done.
  • wander2340

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    Jan 25, 2010 10:10 PM GMT
    Excellent
  • RSportsguy

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    Jan 25, 2010 11:19 PM GMT
    Awesome!!
  • FriscoJansen

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    Jan 25, 2010 11:19 PM GMT
    Well done! This is great stuff!
  • PipHop

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    Jan 25, 2010 11:32 PM GMT
    Awesome rebuttal! Very mature and informative, stats I had no idea about. Thanks for sharing vital information, if not for openly gay, prospective parents, but also for abused children.
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    Jan 25, 2010 11:34 PM GMT
    The beginning of the end of me working in child care was: I had not long turned 30, and with my job at that time I got to wear many diffrent hats, as I worked across the board in Humans Services. It just so happened that one of those hats was working in childcare. I was doing after Schools Care one afternoon, and I was in a wee office off the main office, getting a file or two, when two mothers come in and started to talk to each other, and my name was to come up. One mother was concerned that I seemed to be to old to want to work with children, and it was alone those lines. I did not come out of that wee file room, I sat there and listened to what they had to say.

    At the end of their conversation, and they left I come out of that wee file room, and a change had come over me. I no-longer wanted too work with children. Shit, they were talking about me as just a male, what would they of done with it, if they knew I was also a pure homosexual?

    I know what they would of done with it, their conclusion would of been I'm a pervert there to molest children. I was never in that job to molest children, nor have ever had any intent to do so, gees the issues I had when I had with a 25 year old interested in me, and I thought he was way to young at 25, and I in my 40s

    But none the less there are gay people who do pray on young children, and young men. I was out for dinner not so long ago, and a 60 year old bisexual who had been married and had children of his own, and he only dated kids in their 20s, and he had one with him, and told us he was his mentor; none of us was to buy this, and found the whole thing to be creepy. But straight men and women molest children too!
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    Jan 25, 2010 11:42 PM GMT
    The video is very informational and its assertions are well researched and presented.

    I'm going to play devil's advocate here because I think that it's in the best interest of this message to shrink any potential holes in the logic, so that it is less susceptible to an attack. The stronger and more cohesive you make this argument, the less chance there will be for ignorant people to claim with any validity that homosexuality is directly related to the number of child molestations. Perhaps you can run this by the people who helped gather the research (assuming they aren't already aware).

    First, in most of the literature I've read on this topic, there seems to be a lack of statistical sampling representative of the population of homosexual child molesters (actually the whole population of molesters). From what I've read, most of the empirical studies performed focus on convicted child molesters and sex offenders. That is not representative of the entire population of child molesters because it does not account for all the molestations that go unnoticed or are never reported. Opponents of the research can make this assertion, which is valid (though it's something to work on, it still does not undermine the data already acquired that proves homosexuals are not more likely to be molesters). It's obviously difficult to come up with the right sampling given the taboo nature of child abuse, but someone's got to be working on a solution to this.

    As for the guy who posed the question: who cares about married men given that molesting boys is a homosexual behavior? You are correct in pointing out that the question has little to do with gay marriage. But the reason he wants to tie those two topics--as I've heard before--is because he wants people to believe that the married men molesting children are closeted homosexuals who hide behind their heterosexual marriages to divert attention from their homosexual tendencies. By keeping homophobia and gay marriage animosity alive in society, these people and other potential child molesters will be less likely to go after children than they would be if homosexuality became normalized and fully accepted into society. You make a distinction between closeted and openly gay men, but he can shoot you down there because to him the distinction is irrelevant, he is only concerned with homosexual behavior.

    The research done on this field clearly supports the proposition that homosexuals are not more likely to molest children than heterosexuals are. However, the ideal would be not to shoot down their thesis in the negative, but rather to prove it wrong affirmatively (you point to it in your graph chart but that is a small study with fallible sampling--i.e. molesters are mostly troubled heterosexual or asexual individuals). I'm not sure the research has advanced to that point yet, but is it your understanding that the scholars in the field are looking for ways to resolve this?
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    Jan 25, 2010 11:42 PM GMT
    Why do I even bother reading your posts, P? They make no fucking sense.

    And a 60 yr old dating a 22 yr old is creepy, but it's not child molestation. In every country in the world, a 22 yr old is considered an adult.
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    Jan 25, 2010 11:48 PM GMT
    On another topic...I'm too lazy to look for an answer (because I'm hoping that someone here will know and will give me a link to the right place), but does anyone know why sometimes the terms molester and molestor are used to describe people that molest children? Which is the correct form, or are they both correct?
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    Jan 25, 2010 11:51 PM GMT
    badmikeyt saidWhy do I even bother reading your posts, P? They make no fucking sense.

    And a 60 yr old dating a 22 yr old is creepy, but it's not child molestation. In every country in the world, a 22 yr old is considered an adult.


    I never said it was child molesting! But a 60 year old only interested in 21 year old, it's just wrong, just as it is a 30 year old chasing 16 year old. I never asked you to read, nor forced you! So instead of bitching, block me; please. No matter what, I'll keep having my say, as I'm not looking for acceptance, nor swimming with the flow, I'm fighting it. My experience with the homosexual community is diffrent to yours, and the fact my have been in Oz as an Aussie, and not in America. But you do seem to feel you have the right to bitch; just because of your contempt. But if we where in Jail together, Id be happy to have you as my bitch.

    I will not carry your luggage, nor avoid a topic because you have issues with it, or where I may come with it; own your own stuff. You are not perfect, nor is the homosexual community.

    Sadly there is a small element of gay men who do Chase and abuse children, and they may too be in a gay relationship, with an adult.

    I read an article once of a gay undercover cope, who was investigating gay men who pray on children, and found his partner being a person involved; it happens. But it's I hope not the majority of gay and bi men; just a small element of the community[s]. Also the fact I was molested by a young gay guy at 5, it's a topic I'll not walk away from, certainly since I was the one to be punished for being molested. Just as I'm a pure homosexual, I give myself the right to hold any opinion I wish to have on homosexual issues; and I will never give you the power over me to stop that; now heel.
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    Jan 25, 2010 11:59 PM GMT
    You don't really blink.

  • HyannisGuy

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    Jan 26, 2010 12:25 AM GMT
    Thank you for taking a stand against typical misinformation. However, as gay men, we do have to be more vigilant against accusations than our straight counterparts. There is the assumed stereotypical behavior that places us at greater risk.

    A friend of mine was a school teacher for many years and he was also assumed gay by the student population, as he was a single guy in his early 50's. As with all high schools, kids would go into the mens' (boy's) room to smoke cigarettes. In an effort to reduce this infraction against school policy, the administrators asked that teachers monitor the bathrooms. I told my friend that this was a dangerous practice for him as it only takes one false accusation and he would jeopardize his entire career. I suggested that he go to administrators and ask them to allow teachers to work in teams as opposed to standing in a kids bathroom alone and exposed.

    Fortunately, the administrators thought better of the new policy and never instituted it.

    I wont even talk to a kid when I'm walking my dog. If they come and ask to pet the dog, I tell the kid "he bites" unless there is a parent around. It's really too bad that we have to protect ourselves from this sort of thing, but we do!
  • FloridaGuy71

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    Jan 26, 2010 12:28 AM GMT
    Great job.. Thank you!!
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    Jan 26, 2010 12:32 AM GMT
    /salute

    Very well done.
  • RSportsguy

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    Jan 26, 2010 12:41 AM GMT
    collegestudd saidOn another topic...I'm too lazy to look for an answer (because I'm hoping that someone here will know and will give me a link to the right place), but does anyone know why sometimes the terms molester and molestor are used to describe people that molest children? Which is the correct form, or are they both correct?


    According to my dictionary ap molester=abuse (generally towards women or children). Molestor was not found. I would say molester is the correct spelling.