Jay Bakker's Speech On Gay Marriage

  • metta

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    Jan 26, 2010 6:08 PM GMT
    Jay Bakker's Speech On Gay Marriage




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s30ZKjNfRlU&feature=player_embedded
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    Jan 26, 2010 6:48 PM GMT
    Wow! Tough crowd!

    How sad.
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    Jan 26, 2010 7:40 PM GMT
    Jay Bakker is one of my heroes. He's a true Christian. Most of the people in that congregation are mindless parrots who only know how to say "amen" and "hallelujah" to religious cliches and can't deal with being presented the real Gospel. Unfortunately, over the last 2,000 years, "Love thy neighbor" has become "Judge thy neighbor". I really don't blame homosexuals for being so antagonistic toward "Christianity" as it is portrayed today.
  • soonerjeff

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    Jan 26, 2010 7:45 PM GMT
    wow... Jesus would give this dude a high five! It is so sad that many times the MOST prejudiced people are minorities who have been persecuted. These ugly, narrow people in the crowd should be ashamed. Powerful clip... thanks for sharing. jeff
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    Jan 26, 2010 7:46 PM GMT
    muscles4muscles said
    I really don't blame homosexuals for being so antagonistic toward "Christianity" as it is portrayed today.


    It’s so sad and true. Ouch!
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    Jan 26, 2010 7:50 PM GMT
    soonerjeff saidwow... Jesus would give this dude a high five! It is so sad that many times the MOST prejudiced people are minorities who have been persecuted. These ugly, narrow people in the crowd should be ashamed. Powerful clip... thanks for sharing. jeff


    I liked that he added a quote from Martin Luther King, Jr. in there. But one black man and woman I worked with bristled at the idea that we share the same discrimination. The one man said, “Don’t compare what you DO to what I AM.”
    True it isn’t the same. But prejudice and discrimination are at the core of it.
  • bmw0

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    Jan 26, 2010 7:58 PM GMT
    Jay is a very inspirational person. He is right, Jesus was a liberal not a fear monger.
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    Jan 26, 2010 8:02 PM GMT
    The problem really started when Christianity attached itself to government under Constantine. Even before that though there were divisions from the beginning. You can read about them just by opening the Christian scriptures.

    Jesus warned even about his own followers being dangerous and the "accepted books of the bible" point out problems with modern Christianity.
    They are:
    -wolves in sheep's clothing not teaching to love your neighbor (his new commandment) but looking to tear apart innocent "sheep"
    -power-hungry followers
    -profiteers

    -legalistic and wanting to impose laws on people that were not required
    -worshiping money, idols, angels, and the bible itself but failing to have simple love for friends and enemies alike
    -meddling in the affairs of others
    -judging those outside of their church
    -dishonest speech
    the list goes on and on

    So many Christians work in opposition to teachings in their own bible .. it is truly a contrived righteousness of men

    I think there are a few Christian groups that approximate what Christianity should have been .. but it is to the point that "religion" and "Christianity" as they are commonly referred to now is a monster. I would feel uncomfortable using either of those labels if I wanted to follow the teachings of Jesus or be a better person.
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    Jan 26, 2010 8:52 PM GMT
    While I am not Christian nor do I subscribe to Christian beliefs,
    I have much love and respect for people like Jay. He's sticking
    his neck out and speaking against the hatred and untruths that
    have gone on too long in the church. He seeks truth,growth
    ( both in mind and spirit ), and to love & respect his fellow man.
    Isn't after all the point of religion ? Love thy neighbor ?
    Grow in mind and spirit ?

    Too many preachers and Christians have taken the easy road of
    condemning others for their supposed sins. But they can't see the
    sin in doing just that ! "Judge not, that ye be not judged. Matthew 7:1
    For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with
    what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mark. 4.24
    And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye,
    but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
    Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out
    of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
    Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and
    then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's
    eye." Matthew 7:3-5

    The scripture does not warn against judging but says we need to see
    the WHOLE picture before taking on the role of judge. IMO most
    Christians take parts of that whole to either justify or persecute.
    Thank GOD for Christians like Jay Bakker ! May his path lead him ,
    and others like him, to a place of total grace and mercy in mind and spirit.

    Great post ActiveAndFit !!
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    Jan 26, 2010 9:17 PM GMT
    YOU are right It is clear that "Paul" in the Christian bible does actually teach to judge (and throw out) people like a man that screwed his dad's wife .. but the part that I think so many "Christians" ignore is what is said about those "outside the church"

    1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside.


    That sort of sentiment was expressed in many other places in those scriptures too .. that the Christians were to be quiet, humble, and mind their own business concerning the "outside" world. If "Christians" followed that simple principle .. a lot of the problems they cause would go away.
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    Jan 26, 2010 9:32 PM GMT
    ActiveAndFit saidThe problem really started when Christianity attached itself to government under Constantine. Even before that though there were divisions from the beginning. You can read about them just by opening the Christian scriptures.

    Jesus warned even about his own followers being dangerous and the "accepted books of the bible" point out problems with modern Christianity.
    They are:
    -wolves in sheep's clothing not teaching to love your neighbor (his new commandment) but looking to tear apart innocent "sheep"
    -power-hungry followers
    -profiteers

    -legalistic and wanting to impose laws on people that were not required
    -worshiping money, idols, angels, and the bible itself but failing to have simple love for friends and enemies alike
    -meddling in the affairs of others
    -judging those outside of their church
    -dishonest speech
    the list goes on and on

    So many Christians work in opposition to teachings in their own bible .. it is truly a contrived righteousness of men

    I think there are a few Christian groups that approximate what Christianity should have been .. but it is to the point that "religion" and "Christianity" as they are commonly referred to now is a monster. I would feel uncomfortable using either of those labels if I wanted to follow the teachings of Jesus or be a better person.


    Jesus says his Church is NOT a visible organization that you can see, but rather invisible because he rules through his words in the HEARTS of his people.

    20Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, 21nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within[b] you."
    22Then he said to his disciples, "The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. 23Men will tell you, 'There he is!' or 'Here he is!' Do not go running off after them. 24For the Son of Man in his day[c] will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. 25But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.

    26"Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

    28"It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.

    30"It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31On that day no one who is on the roof of his house, with his goods inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. 32Remember Lot's wife! 33Whoever tries to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left."[d]

    37"Where, Lord?" they asked.
    He replied, "Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather." (Luke 17:20-37)

    Jesus has such a way with words here to teach a truth. Those left on this earth will perish with it and the vultures will gather. The magnificent cathedrals and every church will perish with everything else here.
  • calibro

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    Jan 26, 2010 9:34 PM GMT
    thanks for the post; that was great
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    Jan 26, 2010 9:41 PM GMT
    I don't recall the exact year, but it was around 2000 when there was an AIDS benefit being held at a club in Columbus, OH (my old stomping grounds). It was a large, all-night dance party. There must have been over 1000 guys there, easily.

    Tammy was there, and she stayed for most of the night. She danced, she paraded around, she made everyone smile, and she helped to raise a lot of money for several local AIDS charities.

    The gay community embraced her when nobody else wanted a thing to do with her. In turn, she embraced us and gave back to the gay community ten-fold.

    She was, and always will be, a great treasure.

    Her son is a true role model ... a trail blazer. This guy understands what religion is all about.

    Damn, I'm almost getting emotional over this.
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    Jan 26, 2010 9:55 PM GMT
    ManMachine23 saidWhile I am not Christian nor do I subscribe to Christian beliefs,
    I have much love and respect for people like Jay. He's sticking
    his neck out and speaking against the hatred and untruths that
    have gone on too long in the church. He seeks truth,growth
    ( both in mind and spirit ), and to love & respect his fellow man.
    Isn't after all the point of religion ? Love thy neighbor ?
    Grow in mind and spirit ?

    Too many preachers and Christians have taken the easy road of
    condemning others for their supposed sins. But they can't see the
    sin in doing just that ! "Judge not, that ye be not judged. Matthew 7:1
    For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with
    what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mark. 4.24
    And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye,
    but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
    Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out
    of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
    Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and
    then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's
    eye." Matthew 7:3-5

    The scripture does not warn against judging but says we need to see
    the WHOLE picture before taking on the role of judge. IMO most
    Christians take parts of that whole to either justify or persecute.
    Thank GOD for Christians like Jay Bakker ! May his path lead him ,
    and others like him, to a place of total grace and mercy in mind and spirit.

    Great post ActiveAndFit !!


    I agree. So many Christians see the mote in a gay man's eye, but can not see the beam that is in their own eye. If God demanded that we have to be sinless to go to heaven, heaven would be a ghost town and God would be home alone. icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 26, 2010 9:59 PM GMT
    We (gays) are the next lesson for christians to learn. They may not want to admit it, but churches need gays to help open their eyes to the true message of love and compassion that Jesus taught.

    It is so shockingly obvious that they treat us unjustly. It’s just as shocking to see they don’t get it.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 26, 2010 10:02 PM GMT
    We need more Christian people like Jay Bakker in America today to speak out and drown out ignorant extremists like Pat Robertson. This was long overdue. But I am sure the ignorant right wing extremists are seething mad at this young progressive minded Christian for speaking his peace about gay marriage.
  • Delivis

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    Jan 26, 2010 10:06 PM GMT
    Good on him.
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    Jan 26, 2010 10:06 PM GMT
    There are some true Christians around yet, but they are really hard to find.
  • GQjock

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    Jan 26, 2010 10:39 PM GMT
    Hallelujah .... and praise god except for those F**kin faggots icon_rolleyes.gif

    If that video doesn't show the deep chasm between what people think religion is and what is good Nothing Does icon_confused.gif

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    Jan 26, 2010 10:49 PM GMT
    I wonder what happened after the video is cut off. What the people thought of him. icon_confused.gif
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    Jan 26, 2010 11:03 PM GMT
    GQjock saidHallelujah .... and praise god except for those F**kin faggots icon_rolleyes.gif

    If that video doesn't show the deep chasm between what people think religion is and what is good Nothing Does icon_confused.gif



    I think that is why he started crying near the end.
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    Jan 27, 2010 1:00 AM GMT
    Jay bakker seems like a nice guy - big heart there. He did kind of set them up there though didn't he?
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    Jan 27, 2010 1:24 AM GMT
    That was hard to watch...
    I half expected them to start booing, so I guess the reaction wasn't all that bad. No one's going to change their mind immediately and start cheering, but hopefully a few of them got the message and had something to contemplate that night.
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    Jan 27, 2010 1:37 AM GMT
    metta8 saidJay Bakker's Speech On Gay Marriage




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s30ZKjNfRlU&feature=player_embedded


    Incredibly disturbing to watch, but it's always a wonderful thing when hypocrisy and bigotry are exposed.
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    Jan 27, 2010 2:10 AM GMT
    I honestly believe that if Jesus came back today with the same message, 90% of his followers would judge and reject him for not being "Christian." icon_sad.gif